64GB 2133 MHz RAM vs 32GB 2400 MHz

I ordered my Clevo P870DM-G laptop with 64GB of 2133 MHz. RAM just because I like to maximize all specs when I buy a new laptop.

Now I know that Kingston has 2400 MHz. RAM so do you think the extra speed difference in RAM would make a bigger impact on performance vs having more RAM that is a bit slower?

I don't do VMs or anything and my RAM usage is usually 4 to 8 GB in Windows........

Do you think I should cancel the 64GB of 2133 MHz RAM and opt for the Kingston 2400 MHz. 32GB instead or leave the order as it is?

 

Honestly, 2133 MHz vs 2400 MHz will not be noticeable in any way. DEFINITELY get the 64GB RAM. With that much RAM, you could create a RAM disk and like put entire games into RAM and have them load SUPER fast.

 

That depends whether the 2133 is CL11 or not. If that is the case, and the 2400 is CL15 or something just go for the 2133. According to , the speed doesn't really matter THAT much though.

 

It won't really matter much unless you're benchmarking.

Something tells me the Kingston can do 2800Mhz though

 

That video shows a 1-3 FPS difference which honestly is NOTHING, you could get more of that from overclocking either your CPU or GPU. The 64GB of RAM would definitely be better than 32GB.

 

1-3 fps is better than nothing when you have excess ram than you need.

Ram is the final cherry on top of any system once you have everything else in place.

 

If you won't be pushing usage to 32gb, then 64gb would really be pointless (except for maybe re-sell value of the future possibly). I'd take the small bump in speed of 2400mhz / 32gb, but I'd agree it might not really be much of an increase to performance really.

 

Thank you everyone for making my decision easier

 

just overclock the 2133 to 2400 and call it a day

 

Do you think that's possible?

 

I disagree. I say that 1-3 FPS is not significant enough to actually be replicable and OP would be much better off using more RAM to be able to use a bigger RAM disk. In fact, that benchmark showed that the faster RAM performs worse for some games - that's why it's not replicable.

Yes, absolutely. As to whether your RAM and Motherboard will be good enough to be able to be overclocked that much, that remains to be seen and we can't really predict that. However, I would DEFINITELY suggest going with the 2133 MHz RAM.

 

Thank man, I'll leave the order as it is then @ 64GB for bragging rights and better resale value in the future

 

Sr for inconvenience but i want to ask about gpu, should i order the gtx 980 notebook or gtx 970 SLi is better? Tks guys

 

The 980m SLI will be slightly more powerful with more Cuda cores. Some games do have issues with SLI however so that's something to consider, but most games fix this issue fairly quickly after launch. They are both good cards, just the 980m SLI will be slightly better.

Good choice @Matrix Leader

 

But i not have enough money for gtx980m sli with extra ac power adapter so i just have 2 choice is gtx980 desk and gtx970m sli so can you give me some advice?

 

If you are comparing two graphics cards, these sites are usually something that helps with that, one for gaming, one for benchmarks. Gives an idea of how each one will perform.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

 

I'd probably go with the GTX980 if that is the case.

 

Can i ask you why you choose that gpu and why not gtx970m sli?

 

same here! get urself a single 980, at stock itll be approximately as fast as 970M sli with the added benefit that itll always give u 100% performance in all games, whereas with sli ull need to make sure that the games are properly optimized for that

some quick numbers:

970M = 77%
980M = 100%
980 = 135%
970M sli = 154% (best case scenario)
980M sli = 200% (best case scenario)

@Matrix Leader: as long as u get brand name ram sticks such as kingston, corsair or g.skill, there is indeed a good chance that theyre overclockable. just beware, that ram ocing is quite tedious and finicky! also, the more ram sticks u have in ur machine, the more difficult it is to reach stable overclocks since theres a higher chance for one of the sticks to be unstable at a given setting.

rule of thumb concerning ram (in order of priority to choose for performance):

1) amount of ram installed in terms of GB
2) amount of ram installed in terms of number of sticks (single vs. dual vs. quad channel)
3) clockspeed
4) primary timings
5) secondary and tertiary timings

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SLI doesn't work for every game. Some games it doesn't scale well with it, some games just flat out don't support it or have stuttering/microstuttering caused by SLI. You're usually better off with one card, if not just for compatibility reasons.

 

Tks guys

 

The compatibility issues as well as i believe performance is pretty similar between the two so no reason to not just go with the single.

 

This has been my (very limited) experience with SLI.

Last week I managed to pick up an Alienware 18 with SLI GTX 770M (used) for quite cheap. I was pleased, until I realized the games I play most (Blizzard games, such as SC2, HoTS, D3) don't support SLI.

I've always known that some games don't support SLI, some don't support it very well, etc. But when the games I play most aren't supported at all...SLI really is useless.

So I sold that AW18 for a $200 profit

I am now waiting on my Clevo P770DM-G. Good times.

 

coming over to the clevo side of life, me likes

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That sounds great in synthetic benchmarks, but can you show me the same kinda comparison in real games? like side by side as you did here it was very easy to compare the desktop GPU vs the 2 mobile ones in SLI

 

Check out Notebookcheck for real life benchmarks: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Notebook.150599.0.html

You can't easily compare GPUs on that website as far as I know but you can get a good idea of the performance of a GPU regardless.

Edit: Apparently it does have comparing GPUs, so that's good I guess.

 

I've been here several times before (2x P650SE, W355SS, N150SD, P750ZM). I'm just back now.

 

even better! or rather....HOW DARE you switching to alienware from clevo?!

and damn dude, u seem to be switching machines like other people do socks/underwear

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Heh, if you look at my profile info, you'll get a sense of how much of a laptop whor...I mean, enthusiast I am!

I'm just very, very picky when it comes to laptops. I've yet to find a "perfect for me" laptop. They all are inadequate in one way or another. Even this P770DM-G has faults I know I'm going to try to live with.

I love the older Alienware machines. If I could've put an IPS panel in my previous Alienware 17 R1, that's the machine I'd be using now. Sadly, none of the 17" IPS panels are compatible with it. That machine is a big, beautiful beast. So solidly built, such a good keyboard, so easy to work with/in. But Dell's refusal to update the BIOS to allow compatibility with Maxwell cards (requiring a modded driver each time you want to upgrade to a newer driver version) and being stuck with TN panels (I CANNOT STAND the bad viewing angles in TN panels, no matter how good its colour, contrast or response time is) means that it falls just short of being my perfect laptop.

This Clevo is pretty much my runner-up, given how Alienwares 2015 model re-vamp is (I've owned two AW17 R2 and a AW15 R2, a far cry from the AW of old).

 

Why do you like Alienware laptops so much? I think Clevos are so much better than Alienware... The fact that you can put custom BIOSes like Prema's on Clevos is just amazing and is a big selling point to me.

 

Have you ever owned a pre-2015 Alienware?

 

ramzay is right, the alienwares of old are indeed true beasts to be reckoned with of course, that doesnt cover the current models anymore...

btw @Ramzay, if ure so into IPS panels but at the same time so nitpicky, ull probably never be happy due to IPS inherent lightbleeding issues also, once u get your P770DMG im proposing ull want to swap it out for a P775DM or P870DM right away

 

Well my Alienware 18 of last year had 3 brand new Samsung screens replaced and all of them had light bleeding. When the screen is not placed and tightened on the bezel, the screen was perfect everything was pitch dark black on a black background, but the moment you would pace the bezel and tighten it, you have to get light bleeding in one of the corners. Seems like a design flaw by Alienware. The technician tried 3 diff. screens, diff. LCD cables, I even asked him to place 4 padding on the corners to make the pressure less but no luck. Now IPS light bleeding I don't know if that's in the panel itself or the bezel such as the case with the Alienware but lemme tell you this, it sure as heck messes with my OCD. I like everything to be PERFECT

 

@Matrix Leader i only have 2600$ but i want to order with gtx 980 desktop so can you give me some advice?

 

Try to cut down on the stuff that you can easily upgrade later on like choose the minimal amount of RAM and only HDD to have extra money for the GPU. Then when you have the money, just buy the SSD or RAM separately and it's very simple to do the upgrade yourself and wouldn't take you more than 5 minutes as opposed to upgrading the video card in the future which would require a lot of work.

 

I see on rjtech side they have the barebone p870dm-g only start 1699$ so i think i will be stick with this one, the cpu i will order on another site wih 355$ that cheaper than order on their site i think :-?? And i have 2TB hdd at my home so i think their offer is better for me than hidevolution

I see on rjtech side they have the barebone p870dm-g only start 1699$ so i think i will be stick with this one, the cpu i will order on another site wih 355$ that cheaper than order on their site i think :-?? And i have 2TB hdd at my home so i think their offer is better for me than hidevolution

 

Look @ Ryse... simply astounding.

2600Mhz DDR4 vs. 2133 DDR4



I have to believe there is something wrong with the timings.

ASUS say tertiary timings matter more than anything this round when overclocking X99.

The 6700K shouldn't suffer from this problem though.

 

That's an interesting video. First time I've seen someone run a test like that. I do agree with them that it isn't a realistic scenario though. But still good to know ram can make that much of a difference on something like an i3.

 

I think 3-4 fps only important if you is a hardcore gamer :-??

 

It matters if you want the most out of your system possible, as I said the cherry on top.

 

as mentioned before, thats an inherent issue with ips panels. every bezel in every laptop puts some kinda pressure on the display in order to keep it in place. ull have to have absolute perfectly even pressure all around the bezel in order to avoid light bleeding, and thats basically near impossible exhanging screens wont do u any good there, best would be to try and mod the bezel urself by padding / tweaking the pressure of the screws and bezel holding the panel in place.

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Actually, yes, a long, long time ago I did. I don't see how Alienwares are better than Clevos, I honestly like Clevos a LOT better. Prema's BIOS is literally a huge selling point for me.

 

They were better because of the hardware. Even the best Clevo pales in comparison to the older Alienware machines in terms of build quality. Heck, even the newer Alienware machines, in terms of build quality, trounce the modern Clevo machines. Granted, on the software side, Clevo is much more flexible, since Alienware locks down their BIOS for some silly reason.

A custom BIOS isn't a really big deal for me, but I can see why that would drive someone to prefer Clevo.

You see 5-6 year old Alienware machines still around in good condition, because they were built to last.

Clevo is great in terms of flexibility, configuration options, and giving you more control over your laptop. But in terms of pure build quality? It can't hold a candle to the older Alienware laptops. The Alienware 18 I just sold off last week had a supremely sturdy hinge, and the display lid was so solid my kids could stand on it. There's something to be said about a magnesium-alloy chassis with a reinforced anodized aluminum lid. The Alienware machines were built almost to the standards a business-grade Thinkpad or Latitude/Precision were.

If you cant' see how an Alienware machine could be better than a Clevo, it's because you are incapable of perceiving anything other than your own point of view. If Prema's BIOS is the biggest selling point for you, it should be rather easy to understand that for somebody who doesn't care about that, a Clevo might be a less attractive option, no?

 

There are some Clevos that have been going over a decade:

Clevos do not have build quality issues, at least from what I have seen and experienced. Perhaps older Alienwares were built better, but it seems like older Clevos were too.

I don't see how you claim that I can't see anything other than my own point of view, when I actually owned an Alienware a long time ago. There's NO need for what feels like a personal attack.

Do you know what section we're in? We're in the CLEVO section, this is where we talk about our CLEVO laptops that we love. There's an ALIENWARE section, and this is just not it.

 

I never said Clevo machines had build quality issues - I simply said Alienware machines were built better.

It wasn't a personal attack, but more a statement of fact. You said:

Which pretty much implies you cannot see other's point of view. That's not an attack, and I'm sorry if you took it that way.

No, I'm borderline retarded and have NO idea where I am. Isn't this the MSI forums??

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YOU asked me a question, I responded. The question implied the response would contain Alienware-related material. What did you expect?

And that last paragraph of yours is IMMENSELY disappointing. It's the kind of statement people toss out when a discussion isn't going the way they want, and they just want to shut it down. I honestly have no idea what you were thinking with the last bit, it seems almost childish. Cross-references and discussions about other machines often happen in various threads, nothing wrong with that.

 

Guys don't fight here please, can i ask a question @Matrix Leader how long you will recive your lappy? I want see your review for order one

 

I mean, I think the video I posted showed that Clevos have just as good build quality as Alienwares since Clevos can last for 6 years easily or even 16 years like in the video I posted, or at least, they used to have really good build quality, so that's kind of a moot point... I never once said you're borderline retarded or even implied it, but honestly, this IS the Clevo section and perhaps if you like Alienwares better you would be better off in that section? Just a thought... I don't go into the Alienware section and post what about Clevos are better than Alienwares, I stay in the Clevo section because I like Clevos.

We should REALLY get back on topic and talk more about the awesome thing that is RAM.

Matrix Leader, have you looked into RAM disks? They are quite amazing for gaming, and with 64GB of RAM I think you could have quite a great RAM disk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive

 

Not before one week since HIDevolution is taking their own sweet time it seems. Not happy at all.

 

So it mean you ordered your lappy a week ago and now it not ship to you yet :-??

 

I pre-ordered it on the 28th of October. I understand it was a pre-order but they have my laptop since 2 days now and they still didn't start doing anything on it. Not ordering from HIDevolution again.

Please don't buy a laptop before you watch my soon to be released video review.