The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    8800 For MR570RU available

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Ice-Tea, Feb 4, 2008.

  1. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Hi,

    I will be receiving my first 8800 cards shortly, they will go for 735 euro in europe, 635 for the US. Shipping is inlcuded. These cards will ONLY work in the 570ru and will probably not support some sleep/suspend/resume states. I won't be able to give much support on this, so please consider carefully if you're up to this or not.

    Please don't give me any flak about the price. I know they are hidiously expensive and it's possible you can get them cheaper elsewhere. It's just an option for you to take if you want and I offer them at the best price I can currently afford.

    Ice-Tea
     
  2. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I hope you don't mind me asking ... but how is it that the price in US$ is lower than the price in €?
    At the current rates (and I'm starting from the $ here, as I assume you'll pay your supplier in $), $635 would be €426,49. For Belgium, I'll add 21% VAT which would bring the total to €516,05. Even if you add an additional margin of €100, you're still at "only" 616,05, which is still €100 less than the quoted price of €735.
    Did you mix up the price in $ and €? Or is there something else I'm missing?
    (I'm not really questioning your price settings - I understand you have to make a living for yourself as well. But I'm just surprised by the price difference: $635 if you're in the US or $1.094 if you're in the EU. That would mean that US customers will be happy to buy from you, while EU customers are better of turning to Xoticpc or the like.)
     
  3. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    ...they will go for 735 euro in europe, 635 for the US.

    Twice in euros ;) Not explicitely mentioned, but still. The rest of the difference is made off different shipping methods because I have to proove the card left the EU to skip VAT ;)
     
  4. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Ah, that explains :)
    I guess my brain played tricks on me, by automatically assuming the US price was in US$ :)

    This would, at this time, mean a price for US people of 945$ (that is excluding the costs your financial institution will charge for the €/$ exchange)

    Quick question (since you're from belgium ;)): how much would it be if I came to pick the card up myself? :)
     
  5. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I could give you a minor discount for not using Paypal and for the shipping charges. I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to take a few pcitures during the upgrade either ;)

    Would you mind contacting me offline for further details?

    EDIT: Oh, and I know the price for US costumers makes little sense right now. Not much I can do about it. Thats simply the best I can do right now..
     
  6. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Define "contacting offline" :)
    PM? Or by mail or phone? Neither should be a problem, provided I have your contact details :)

    Do mind: atm, I'm exploring my options (read: comparing prices :p) and saving money. I have not yet decided when I will get an 8800M, especially due to a major financial setback ^^. I hope to be able to get one before june though!
     
  7. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    The cards in the US cost 700$ (695 being the price paid from 1 8800M to SLI), 840$ with 20% VAT ~ 565EU + 120E (shipping) ~ 690E. I'd say it's not worth it.
     
  8. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    PM send with contact details ;)
     
  9. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

    Reputations:
    3,886
    Messages:
    11,104
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    456
    120 E shipping? What in God`s name is up with that price? Ok, sending a 20lb laptop across the world costs 220$ , but a 1 pound gpu costs about 200$ ? WOOT
     
  10. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    No, actually that's the XoticPC price. Other resellers like RJ Tech offer international shipping at around 150$ (for a laptop). My price includes VAT :p.
     
  11. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

    Reputations:
    3,886
    Messages:
    11,104
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    456
    I didn`t know you had to pay VAT for a gpu...that sux
     
  12. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    You have to pay VAT for any declared value at the Customs.
     
  13. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Plus some import duties and with some carriers adminstrative costs, I might add.
     
  14. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I have asked the Belgian customs to calculate for me what it would cost to import
    a 800$ GPU
    a 5000$ notebook

    I hope they respond quickly (but knowing the administration ... they probably won't :p)
     
  15. Derq

    Derq Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    30
    Messages:
    362
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    let me know too, because i want the dollar to lower even more.. :p
     
  16. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    There is no import duty in Europe for products shipped from US. All you pay is the price of the product + shipping + VAT for the product & shipping.
     
  17. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    @Derq: I will :)

    @Fade To Black: We'll see when I get my reply. If you're right, it might be a sweet deal (800 * 1,21 = 968$ = €670 approx.)
    I started from the Xoticpc (Sager) upgrade package for that one: $745 for just the card. I arbitrary added $55 for shipping, to get a $800 total. Actual cost may be higher or lower. If my estimation is more or less correct, that would mean it's about €65 cheaper than Ice-T (sorry bout that man :) ).
    HOWEVER: do consider that if you need to send it in for warranty just once, there goes your €65. Plus you might have to wait longer for your replacement. Plus I have no idea how customs would look at a replacement part (for a defective unit)! If they do not add VAT to that, everybody will be needing "replacement parts" in no time :p - if they do, you're paying twice for 1 product.
     
  18. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    476
    Messages:
    1,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Just keep in mind that with cheap shipping (55$ would give you USPS shipping) your package will eventually be handled by Taxipost in Lummen. They add adminstrative charges that amount to quite a bit. If you want to avoid that you have to use Fedex or comparable but then your 50$ will probably not cut it.

    My bookkeeper has my books or otherwise I could tell you exactly how much the charges are. Fade to black is correct when he says no duties apply. Odly enough I remember "some" charge to be added on top of taxes and adminstration but I can't remember what :(
     
  19. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I hope I'll be able to tell you soon.
    I've just received a message from Belgian customs, saying that my mail (that I send February 4th, has been read.
    Those guys move so fast ... only 8 days! :p
     
  20. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    6,926
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Also, if you're considering "cheap" shipping to Europe via USPS, please keep in mind the travails of 6edo and the AWOL D901C, for which USPS was (unfortunately) chosen as the shipping option. USPS picked the system up from the reseller, and claims to have handed it over to FedEx, but apparently, no-one can track where the shipment went. In the meantime, 6edo cannot get a refund or a replacement system until the claim against USPS/FedEx is settled, which seems to have a very nebulous time-frame of 6 months or so.

    While 6edo's case is the exception rather than the rule, it does illustrate the point that cheap shipping may not end up being all that inexpensive.
     
  21. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Agreed. Chose UPS or DHL. I trust DHL :).
     
  22. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I'm at page 13 of that thread right now ;)
    However, I am fully aware of these potential problems. As someone stated: the difference in culture, is one of the reasons of the lower price.
    However, looking at the price difference as I've calculated it in this thread, I'll most likely (95%? :) ) go with Ice-T (once I go for it). But I'm just getting this thread alive untill I get a reply from customs, so that people know what to expect :)

    On a side note: if it takes customs 8 days to read a mail (not even reply to it), I'm not surprised they take a few weeks to process a laptop :p
     
  23. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    6,926
    Messages:
    8,178
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Of course, after all, they have to open the package and "inspect" it to make sure it's not contraband, and they have to "observe" it operating to make sure that it's not just a dud with contraband hidden inside (I wonder if they're using Crysis as the test-bed for contraband "observation"?) :D
     
  24. Kwakkel

    Kwakkel Weirdo

    Reputations:
    222
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    And guess what, I got a reply!
    Unfortunatly, it doesn't add much info

    Kinda not funny you also have to pay VAT on the shipping :(

    UPS site was acting up when requesting quotes.
    Fedex had the following (don't think those package details are right though :p) shipping from Xotic to me:
    So indeed, the $50 doesn't cut it :p

    For completeness, I'll add USPS rates:

    Quite cheaper, but also more dangerous it appears (see 6edos problems).
     
  25. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

    Reputations:
    722
    Messages:
    3,841
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    106
    I'd get the FedEx thingy or DHL/UPS.