8800M GTX, VBIOS, Overclocking, Rivatuner

Hi there,

this is my first post in this forum, so hello to you all.


Okay first an info for all of you, who have tried to use Rivatuner 2.06 without sucess. Rivatuner won't detect the 8800m gtx as a known device. To solve this problem you have to edit the file RivaTuner.cfg in the directory, to which you have installed Rivatuner. In this file is a section called [GPU_10DE]. Change the last line by appending some IDs in this section to

G92 = 610h-61Fh,600h-60Ch

Now Rivatuner can deal with the 8800M GTX.



And now for the problems:


As posted in another thread and in this one, there are at least 3 different VBIOS-Versions.
62.92.23.00.14 December, 3rd (Thanks to MegaBUD's picture-thread)
62.92.23.00.12 December, 3rd (Thanks to Aryantes)
62.92.19.00.a3 November, 7th (my Version)

Could someone with the newer VBIOS please dump with NiBiTor 3.7.
You can get this Tool at http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/NVIDIA-BIOS-Editor.shtml (or google for another link).

Start NibiTor.
Choose Tools->Read BIOS -> Select Device.
Select your Card (Device: 060C unknown) and click OK.
Now choose Tools->Read BIOS -> Read into File and save the BIOS to disc.



Overclocking (Vista 32)

Only by using the 167.43 my 8800mgtx is running at full speed. Using any other driver my 8800gtx is underclocking. Since some of you are using other drivers and getting full speed, i hope that this depends on the VBIOS and can be resolved for all of us unucky ones with the new VBIOS. If someone is using 169.28 in Vista 32 and the 8800mgtx is running at full speed, please check your VBIOS and post a reply in this thread. You can check it during booting your notebook and pressing F2 to get to the BIOS, or by opening the NVIDIA-Controlpanel and show your Systemconfiguration.

For overclocking i am using ntune, since no other tool is working for me. Now i am at 600Mhz Core and 900Mhz Ram. No problems found and temperatures are only a little bit higher (max 4 Degrees Celsius) than stock.

 

I have this bios version, according to NiBiTor

62.92.23.00.12
December 3rd

I have been trying to get around the underclock as well, this is good info.
Have also been trying to figure out RivaTuner ( ,600 didnt work ) thanks for that too.

My bios looks like a 3rd one available.

I have tried 169.28 and 169.21.

Every program I run shows a different core and memory speed.
I will post this in a little bit.

 

Thanks Aryantes for your infos.

Could you please upload the bios to a place, where we can download it

If you have patched the RivaTuner.cfg you can use the Rivatuner's Hardware-Monitoring. This will show you Core/Mem and Shader-Clock . But no overclocking with RivaTuner :-(


A question about your VBIOS-Config:

When you load the VBIOS in NiBiTor - such as Select Device and then instead of "Read to file" use "Read into NiBiTor" and choose "Geforce 8 Series" in the "Device unknown-Dialog" - which Clockrates are then listed.

My values are:

3D: 21860/767/301 (Core/Shader/Memory)
Throttle: 21860/500/301
2D: 21860/400/100


The core-values are strange, but the values for Shader/Memory are the values i'm getting while using a driver other than 167.43 - and which AtiTool and Rivatuner are reporting as Defaults.

 

I have BIOS version 62.92.19.00.a3 and am using drivers 169.28 and as far as I can see there is no underclocking. My 3DMark 2006 score is 9200, and the driver is reporting bus/memory speeds of 500/800 MHz which is as it should be.

Why do you think your card is underclocked ? I am not sure RivaTuner's reporting is accurate.

 

Thanks for your reply darkoroje.

If you are using Vista 32Bit, then the underclocking which some of us get while using drivers other than 167.43 is not related to the VBIOS


I've tried 169.28, 167.58 (newest on laptopvideo2go) and others. I've every time deinstalled the 167.43 and even ntune, run driversweeper and installed the new one. And every time i got low frames in games and low scores in 3Dmark06, and got back to 167.43. By crosschecking with rivatuner i could see low clocks on core/Shaders/Memory. The worst was the new 167.58. Instead of getting higher/unchanged clocks by starting a 3D App the clocks even dropped below the clocks while only displaying the Aero-Desktop

The Power-Schema is Performance (High), so no energy-saving or balanced mode should be in use. Im running a fully patched VISTA 32bit Home Premium German and use rmclock for undervolting the cpu.

 

Strange. I am running 32 bit Vista Ultimate. All I did was to install 169.28 and nTune application. Games and 3D Mark work perfectly and as fast as they should. I did not try RivaTuner or any other clock control application since the speed can be set in nTune .

 

Hmm well I'm glad you confirmed this with the 8800m gtx, I think its safe to say its both the 8800m gts and gtx that aren't working with rivatuner.

 

You have the same VBIOS as I have, but when I install 169.28 I get incorrect clock speeds and a 3dmark06 score of only 4700... (vista x64 HomePrem)

 

I have the exact same problem as you ralphfx, did a bench with 169.28 drivers and came out with a 3dmark score in the area of 4700.

 

I will upload as soon as I get back from Vegas. I don't have 3dmark and stuff to check performance right now.

nTune shows me at the correct clock speeds. 500/800

RivaTuner shows 383/301 in performance mode.

If I try to "find max core/mem" with atitool, it tells me I'm already overclocked, then it clocks me down to 200/100 and barely does anything, never increases.

nTune says it cannot find my nforce version and cannot work unless I have nforce2 or above.

I did my own winxp 32 install. did all the drivers from the cd.

I'll fiddle around with it a little more when i get back this weekend.

 

hmm, I have the same problem (As posted in the other thread), can someone help? Why are the scores different 4 different peopelo

 

Confirmed I got a score of 8674 (3dmarks06) with the default 167.43 drivers compared to 4736 with the new 169.28 drivers from laptopvideos2go.

 

Okay, i've done some testing with 3 drivers and switching the powermodes.

I'm using Vista 32 Home Premium German in AHCI-Mode. My 8800m GTX has the old a3-Bios. The drivers used are 167.43, 167.58, 169.28. 167.43 is the stock-driver with the default inf and is WHQL. The others are drivers from laptopvideo2go with their moded inf's and are non WHQL

Don't know the Modes in english, but try to translate it from german:


Energy Saving:

All Drivers are working as they should. They are saving power by staying in low-power 3d


Balanced:

167.43 switches to full power (500/800)
167.58 and 169.28 stay at low-power 3D (275/301)


High-Performace/Full Power:

167.43 is running at 500/800.
167.58/169.28 don't switch to full and stay at 275/301 and games/3DMark06 are slow


Overclocking with ntune:

167.43 overclock: yes
others overclock: no (Sliders can be moved, but switch back to default after using apply-button)



I would like to collect some infos from you :


Version of Windows-Vista (32/64Bit, Home, Ultimate ....)
AHCI-Mode yes/no
VBIOS-Version
Driver-Version
Clocks during using 3D-App in Balanced and High-Performace/Ful-Power-Mode
if installed: overclocking with ntune possible


AHCI-Mode is on, if enabled in the BIOS (Robson enabled) BEFORE installing Vista.
For checking the clocks please use atiTool 0.27Beta4:

http://www.computerbase.de/downloads/software/systemprogramme/grafikkarten/atitool/?url=16232 or
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/ATITool/1074728381/1

The clocks are displayed in the upper right of the main-window. Should be 200/100 (like me). When you open the 3D-View (Show 3D-View) they should change. Please post these values.


THANKS



Oh, and i'm still waiting for a kind soul who will post one of these new VBIOSes from december

 

Here is my bios version.

8800M GTX BIOS V. 69.92.23.00.12

It is a december bios but not the same as the two you listed in the OP.

Ntune does NOT work in Windows XP Pro 32-bit for me. It does not recognize any nforce2+ drivers... trying to figure this out.

I will try vista soon.

all drivers running in XP32 run at full speed, no problems there. 10300 3dmarks. have not yet tried crysis/bioshock/etc.

 

Thanks Aryantes.

Did a quick compare with both VBIOSes using NiBiTor. Clocks/Timings are same. The only thing visible is a drop of the critical Temp. With a03 the temp is 105 Degree Celsius while with your 12 the temp is set to 90 Degree Celsius. The 8800M will thottle earlier with the newer bios.

Next i will flash it to my card and than will report back to you

 

What Program did you use to measure the clock speeds?

 

You can try nVIDIA nTune.

 

I'm back without successfull flash.
My a03-VBIOS has as "Sub System ID" 0573 and Aryantes 12-VBIOS has 0902 as subsystem-ID. nvflash won't flash it and i won't change this id in NiBiTor - too risky for me

Okay let's see:

Either we have two different boardrevisions - not sure about it because NibiTor lists both bioses with Product: G92 Board - 03980003.
Or it's because i'm european with TV-Output PAL and Aryantes seems to be located in the USA and these people never get the same Color NTSC
OR .... ????

Rivatuner lists my Card as G92 Revision a2 with 96 Shaderunits - aka 8800m GTX.


OKAY another poll:

Could you please read out your VBIOS-Infos with NiBiTor. The Sub-System-ID is listed in the "Adv.-Info"-Tab. Please post it together with the VBIOS-Version and your location and TV-System.


@hkman:

You can use atiTool 0.27 Beta 4 works - see links posted earlier.
Or you can use rivatuner 2.06. But you have to tweak rivatuner.cfg - see 1. Post in this thread.

 

Ok, someone pls help, I do not know what is wrong. I am using 167.43 drivers, under high performance, but my clocks are still the same (275/301). Even ntune says that. My 3d mark score is like 4.8K. I dont know what 2 do...

 

hkman, do you use Vista ore XP?

In Vista there is no visible powermizer and Vista and/or the driver selects "magically" the clocks. You should uninstall the driver. WITHOUT reboot run driversweeper - you can find/download it at guru3d.com. Reboot and install the 167.43 once again. You can download ntune 5.05.54. With this tool you can overclock - at least my GTX is overclockable with 167.43

But if you use XP, there must be powermizer-Settings in the nvidia-Controlpanel which overide the XP-Powersettings. Please check these.

 

I am using vista. will try what u suggested now. Thanks.

 

I cannot overclock at all.

Running NP9262, have tried Vista 64 and XP 32.

All drivers are running at full speed, tested 169.28, 169.21, and the stock version off of the disk.

All drivers on both OS'es work fine. Vista's 3dmark06 scores 500 points lower than XP. (10300 and 9800 )

RivaTuner cannot change core/mem/etc

Ntune can change it but only to something lower than 500/800 ( stock )

Not sure what else to try, I am not a professional overclocker. Anyone else with an NP9262 and can change their core clocks?

 

Oh i see,

Aryantes you have a 9262/D901. This could explain the different Sub-ID's in the VBIOS and the newer versions - with lower critical temps - which some of you have. Your GTX is installed in a machine with 2 slots for SLI, while mine is installed in a non-SLI machine.

But MegBUD has/had a M571RU with another VBIOS - same date as yours but higher version. Would be nice if he could check his VBIOS

 

Hi everybody, I have the clevo with 8800M GTX. Vbios version is 62.92.19.00.a3. I have windows xp pro installed on the pc, and the drivers are 167.43. I can overclock the vga only with ntune, rivatuner doesn't work (I modified the .cfg, but I can't overclock with it the same).
With 3DMark06, I have this results:
8751 (4109 sm2, 4080 sm3, 1920 cpu) with core 500 and mem 800 (default)
9267 (4387 sm2, 4492 sm3, 1915 cpu) with core 575 and mem 880 (overclock)
I installed yesterday windows vista ultimate x64, I will try later 3DMark on that.

@Stoneboy32: my Vbios is 62.92.19.00.a3, with subsystem-ID 0573. I have TV output PAL (european).

P.S.: sorry for my bad english, I'm italian.

 

Do you think the reason different drivers work 4 different people is due to change in the Vbios? Im at school now but when I go home ill check my version. How do you do that again?

 

Hi hkman,

it was only a guess. There must be a reason, why some can install for example 169.28 and get full speed and others don't. If we could find the reason, we can switch to newer drivers with bugfixes for new games without endless waiting for updates by Clevo.

If you want to check your bios, look at the (very) short HOW-TO in post 1, 3 and 18 in this thread.

 

We will have to wait for newer driver to overclock our 8800m gtx... but for now i dont see why we should do that... except for a better 3dmark score to prove that we have a big e-peenis

 

I think that overclocking and gaining 4-5 FPS in crysis would be pretty significant. although, maybe not so necessary.

3dmark being bigger doesn't mean much but i'm pretty sure we would see FPS increase wouldn't we? in all games?

 

MegaBUD, you are right 3DMark isn't worth it.

BUT

In the past buying and playing the newest games, i sometimes could only play them with the newest drivers
For example, after the release of FEAR or Bioshock these games where kind of "unplayable" without the fixes in nvidia's newer drivers. And Clevo - don't know about sager/eurocom - won't update their drivers very often.

And while playing crysis the tweaking which 169.28 has, would be nice for me, but this f.....ing driver won't run at full speed on my laptop

 

GPUZ shows odd results on my new 8800gtx also, but it 3dmark06's at over 9200 with default drivers (T9300 proc). I'm also running Vista 64, but will be installing Vista 32 as soon as I swap out the drive in the next hour.

My reseller had an offer for Vista32/64 combo for $30 more, was hoping in the next 2 years 64 will become more standard.

 

I never said that OC is useless.. but for now it is... we have the fastest videocard on the market (mobile)... anyway if someone find a way to OC maybe ill try but for now i dont really need it...

 

I installed the new vbios (62.92.23.00.14), with subsystem id 0573, but if I install the new nvidia drivers (I tried both 169.21 and 169.28 beta), gpu and memory clocks are downlclocked, and I can't modify them.
I installed again 167.43, and 3DMark06 results are the same I had with the old bios.

@Aryantes: how did you install nvidia drivers? I can't understand the reason why you can work full speed with them, while we can't, even with the new bios version.

 

Do you have the 5792 or the 9262?

I have the 9262 and I think that is where the difference is.
The only driver I've found that does not run full speed is the newest from laptopvideo2go 171.16

All other ones seem to work.

I don't do anything special. I even leave powermizer settings active ( on XP ). On Vista make sure you are set to high performance in the power options.

I don't use driversweeper or anything. I just click the setup and go.

More people seem to be having problems with the 5792.

 

I have a Santech M3820, based on the board Clevo M570RU-U, the same of the 5792. I think this is the problem. I have to wait that someone find a solution.
Thank you for your answer.

 

Megabud I think you missed some of the posts. Most people would be happy being able to run the latest NVIDIA drivers with their cards at the standard clock speeds.

A lot of people can't do this. Certain driver, bios, and OS combinations actually under clock the card. I agree with you about over clocking not yet being necessary but latest drivers at stock speed does seem like a worthy goal.

 

got an update: !!!

what seems very strange to me is the fact that the underclocking is not linked to the videobios but to the m570ru bios!!!

I updated my bios to the newest version and ......

NO UNDERCLOCKING ANYMORE !!!


BUT: i wasn't able to OC the Card either


hope this will help

regards

 

where were u able to get a new bios?
i checked the clevo website and sager's and saw no new bios update

 

can you link to the new bios?

 

http://www.eurocom.com/support/drivers/bios/m570ru_bios.htm

just make boot disc, and flash

regards

 

Overclockable Driver for Clevo D901C 8800M GTX with Modded INF

NVIDIA Forceware Driver v169.04 (32bit XP)

http://rapidshare.com/files/96669054/NVIDIA_Forceware_Mobile_Driver_v169.04__32bit_XP_.exe.html

 

has anyone besides daimi succesfully flashed the bios and it FIX the video drivers under-clock issue ( with other drivers beside 167.43)??

 

Thanks Worked for my M570RU

 

Has anyone found an overclockable Vista X64 driver? Ntune only allows me to underclock the card currently

 

Be better if people posted thier bios AND vbios. seems to me this is a integeral part as well. Also to report if they down clock with thier current bios and vbios.

 

Downclocking prob here as well.
Bios = 1.00.08
VBios = 62.92.23.00.14

if i install a non stock driver it works great until i reboot, then downclocked by half !!!

 

Downclocking probs here, with all but 167.43 drivers (stock).
Bios = 1.00.07
VBios = 62.92.23.00.14

Still wating for a .08 Bios from my reseller.

 

yeah everything my reseller sent me didnt fix the problem. I need a different vbios i believe, but i am having trouble flashing it with any success.

 

I`m running XP32, have the 08 bios and use the 174.82-drivers. No down-clocking for me either.

 

Anyone with the .14 vbios on a d901c? I have this bios but with a Subsystem ID different than mine (should be 0902 instead of 0573). Should I change the Subsystem ID or is the bios not worth the trouble?

Still trying to find a way to solve the downclocking issues...

 

Ive posted a find in the drivers .inf's, which you can try to take a look upon in the "Driver for 8800M GTX that does not suck?" thread, here in the Clevo section