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    9262 (D900C) 3dmark06 of 8445. why so low??

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by leonyeo1001, Aug 16, 2008.

  1. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    just ran a benchmark.. 3dmark06 score of 8445.. kinda low i presume.. those guys that ran the same benchie on a M860TU have got 9k++.. my specs are in my sig.. am i running anything wrong? score seems pretty disappointing.

    any 9262 owners here with around the same hardware setup? what's your 3dmark06 score?? thanks.
     
  2. tornbacchus

    tornbacchus GO leafs.. Wait, Nevermid

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    what kinda stuff you got on the thing... has it been recently reformatted and a clean install of vista/ xp recently?
     
  3. pbcustom98

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    what settings are you running 06 at?

    do you have the specs of those M860TUs to compare to your machine?
     
  4. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    umm.. what you mean what kinda stuff? if you're talking about programs, my notorn anti-virus, msn, some online games installed.. yep and pics, songs etc.. clean install came with my com, less than a month ago..
     
  5. leonyeo1001

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    running at normal settings? how do i check this? i just downloaded it and restarted it, then clicked run... =/

    3DMark Score 8445
    SM 2.0 Score 4010
    SM 3.0 Score 3942
    CPU Score 1823

    that's the score i got from the webbie.. looks as if my processor score really pulled it down heh? =/ **** now i can't sleep the whole night...
     
  6. tornbacchus

    tornbacchus GO leafs.. Wait, Nevermid

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    well if the specs are the same as others and and 3d mark settings are on default, then i would think its just from using it for a month. most 3d scores are taken when the computer is brand new or there is nothing on it to slow it down. if you really want to get back up to the high scores, backup your data and do a clean install of vista, but if i were you, id delete everything you dont need and try to just keep the files you want and programs as well.
     
  7. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    so using it from a month brings down the 3dmark06 score?? i remember other 9262 owners getting almnost 10k or even exceeding 10k.. =/

    oh yeah and another info to add is that, when 3dmark06 was running the two 'cpu tests' sections, i was hardly getting any results from that.. was getting 0fps all the way.. about 1 frame every 2 seconds or something like that.. so i think its my processor is really pulling the score down.. is my E8400 really THAT bad?? =/
     
  8. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    You shud get a bit above 9k.Whats ur GPU driver?And have u undervolted anything?Anything like NHC/Rmclock running?And whats video bios version?
     
  9. kobe_24

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    That is kind of low, and is almost a full 1000 points behind mine and I didn’t even start to tweak mine. I’m running Vista Ultimate, and not about to disable anything and will enjoy everything this operating system has to throw at me. If your CPU is not down clocking, you should be able to expect at least 9000+ scores with that unit.
     
  10. bbCan

    bbCan Notebook Guru

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    What version of the video card driver do you use for testing?
     
  11. Opteron

    Opteron Notebook Evangelist

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    3dmark06 score- np9262

    10127
    sm2.0- 4224
    hdr sm3.0 - 3963
    cpu score - 3824


    see sig below
     
  12. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Run it again with Norton completely turned off; let's see if that has any impact on your score.
     
  13. pbcustom98

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    check out a different set of drivers. sometimes people use drivers tweaked for 3dMark0x, just for a bigger epeen.

    you were plugged in to a power source too, right?
     
  14. MKang25

    MKang25 NBR Prisoner

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    3dmark scores can vary alot from different systems. For the 860TU some people got 8700-9600. That does not really matter though. Go into a game like crysis or cod4 and run the ingame benchmark, those are far more accurate than 3dmark06 which is a synthetic benchmark.
     
  15. youdontneedtoknow

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    Are you using the same 3dMark06 as those people? Can you offer the link where you downloaded the file?
     
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    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's your problem right there - trying to benchmark with those things running is like trying to qualify for the 100 metre dash with lead boots on. Turn off your A/V, your anti-spyware, MSN, anything related to the online games that's running, and anything else that isn't directly relevant to running the benchmarks (of course, that means don't go surfing on less than credentialed websites while you benchmark, either).
     
  17. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    thanks for the replies guys. here's my answers..

    my gpu driver is 176.02

    nope, i wasn't undervolting or running any other programs such as NHC/Rmclock.

    with reference to mrblur's scores, my sm2.0 and sm3.0 is almost there, its only my cpu score that is a whole chunk lower.. don't know why.

    how do i check which bios version i'm running??
     
  18. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    The BIOS will flash when it boots up.
     
  19. Dreidel

    Dreidel Notebook Evangelist

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    get driver version 177.89 ( http://laptopvideo2go.com/drivers)

    Also, if you are using readyboost, get rid of it. It made my 9068 3dmark06 score turn into 8550.

    And, make sure you are running in High Performance Mode.
     
  20. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    alright, thanks guys.. will see what i can do about it :)
     
  21. Opteron

    Opteron Notebook Evangelist

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    my score was taken with bitdefender on, folding on 4 cores, etc...nothing was turned off. Folding throttles down when whenever the cpu has to work.

    Depending when you got your laptop, you still have a 30 day money back or exchange for a different CPU (but that means returning all of the laptop).
     
  22. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    hi, i got my laptop on 22 Jul, so i'm quite rushed for time here, but i don't want to jump the gun just because of a low CPU score.. cos shipping halfway around the world is expensive..

    to change a diff cpu, i might have to change other parts in my laptop to complement it.. so i would like to find out the actual cause of the extremely low cpu score before running all crazy and shipping this monster to and fro around the world..

    main thing is, why so low cpu score? it can't be my A/V running that's using 3000-4000 worth of scores right? as you said, you have your normal apps running when you did your benchmark, and i only had A/V running in the background, no major tasks from it.. i din't mod nor anything, still stock, so i figure the CPU is on folding mode for me too.. but i still don't understand.. few thousand difference on cpu score =/ doesn't tally..
     
  23. wobble

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    For comparison here's what I get with a single GPU:

    Total Score 9840
    SM 2 4374
    SM 3 4196
    CPU 2694

    The big problem for total score is your very low CPU score. It appears to me that the CPU isn't upclocking when it runs the 3DMark application, and that this kills the CPU score and slightly lowers the SM 2/3 scores. It's also possible of course that you're running some CPU intensive application in the background. Some ideas:

    1) Make sure power settings and nVidia control panel settings are for maximum performance.

    2) Shut down anti-virus and the hot-key program when running the test. (My AV program has very little impact on the score, but the hot-key program does.)

    3) Shut down the Internet connection. (Edit... turn fans on high)

    4) Open Task Manager and assure the the utilization of both cores is close to zero (0-3%). If not, you'll have to track down the application or service that is causing problems.

    5) If your 3DMark06 CPU score is still low you can download and run wPrime to test the processor. I believe you should get a score somewhere between 25 and 30.

    6) If you get much higher than this you might want to download and run CPU-z as you're running wPrime to assure that your CPU is upclocking properly.

    You can always get help from your retailer. When I initially got low 3DMark06 scores with my system, one quick call to Xotic tech support solved the problem.

    Good luck.
     
  24. Opteron

    Opteron Notebook Evangelist

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    Ran 3dmark06 nothing turned off.

    -itunes running (music running in the background)
    -folding on all 4cores (but it throttles down on its own.)
    -xfire
    -wireless card on
    -bitdefender on
    -etc.....

    score:

    overall score: 10092
    sm 2.0: 4223
    sm 3.0: 3974
    cpu: 3720

    hope that helps, are sure GPU is not overheating Mine never goes over 74c if I force the fans it never goes over 66c

    make your power setting are correct.
     
  25. MKang25

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    Keep in mind Mrblur is getting a much higher score than you because of his quad core cpu.
     
  26. Opteron

    Opteron Notebook Evangelist

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    BTW this is the version of Driver I'm using :7.15.11.7482

    out of the box I have not updated my video drivers, I see no need to do it. Why fix something thats not broken. The only time I update a driver is when I'm having issues with new game that requires the update....

    hope the helps again.
     
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    Opteron Notebook Evangelist

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    It kills me that that is considered a "low" score for a gaming notebook these days :p

    Oh how far we have come
     
  29. stephan129

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    Yea... according to yougamers.com, I can't even run 3dmark06 :eek: on the LG laptop i'm using (stupid GPU bottleneck :mad:)

    I'd be happy with a 8445 (i'll probably change my mind once I get my new laptop though... :p)
     
  30. youdontneedtoknow

    youdontneedtoknow Notebook Evangelist

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    List the possibilities:

    1) something CPU intense was running in the background

    2) GPU was got some problem, perhaps need driver update

    3) CPU has physical problem and can not function correctly

    4) CPU has software problem and can not function correctly

    5) GPU is physically damaged and can not perform to its full potential

    6) Some hardware was not up to standard during manufacturing

    7) Not using the right 3dMark6 software

    8) temperature was too high for the CPU and GPU to function correctly

    9) Power problems prevent CPU to reach top clock

    10) Problems other than listed above a)hardware b)software



    OK now you just have to find out which of the listed possible problem is your problem and try to solve it :)
     
  31. leonyeo1001

    leonyeo1001 Notebook Evangelist

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    thanks for all the replies. i just ran 3dmark06 another time this morning and here's what i came up with:

    total score 9639
    sm2.0 4283
    sm3.0 4013
    cpu 2756


    slightly better cpu score, and total score comes close to wobble's.. (quoted below) taking into consideration MKang25's comment whereby mrblur is running on a quad processor (and perhaps the higher score), i took wobble's as a guideline, as he runs on almost the same setup as me (3.0GHz proc, 8800m gtx (single)

    this was done with my windows theme changed to classic (no vista areo), almost all processors shut down ( i clicked the wrong item 3 times and ended it 3 times, getting me bsod 3 times this morning :( ), but i din't turn the fans to max because i figured it shouldn't be over heating. anyways, am gonna reboot my laptop and retry again taking into consideration everyone's suggestions in mind.. hopefully i can get a higher score this time..

    brb!


     
  32. leonyeo1001

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    alright, just did another 3dmark06 run... here's the summary of all my scores..

    1st run:
    3DMark Score 8445
    SM 2.0 Score 4010
    SM 3.0 Score 3942
    CPU Score 1823

    2nd run:
    3DMark Score 9639
    SM 2.0 Score 4283
    SM 3.0 Scpre 4013
    CPU SCORE 2756

    3rd run:
    3DMark Score 9652
    SM 2.0 Score 4286
    SM 3.0 Scpre 4016
    CPU SCORE 2765


    okay so comparing my 2nd and 3rd run, both are about the same, so can i conclude that this is my effective system performance?

    the 1st run was done after a reboot, closed msn and that's about it.. no music running, no dl running,etc..

    the 2nd run was done with fans on auto, A/V still running, all external devices (keyboard and mouse) plugged out, my razer control panel exited, windows theme changed to classic, and wi-fi sitll on.. everything else was off(touch panel, sound settings, etc)

    the 3rd run was done with fans on max, and everything exited.. no a/v, no wi-fi, no msn, etc etc. windows theme was still in classic mode..

    presuming this is the best 3dmark06 score i can get out of my system without changing the drivers etc, is this a clear/good representation of my system's performance? tho slightly below wobble's score..
     
  33. kobe_24

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    Nice!

    The second and third scores are showing what your computer can do when the CPU is running up to par, good job!
     
  34. ashveratu

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    That is pretty much the same score mine had when I had only one card in my rig which makes sense since your lappy and mine are pretty much identical (aside from HDD, 6850 is the same speed as a 8400)

    One thing you have to realize is that 3DMark06 is very CPU dependant which is why you see quad-core users scoring higher. My desktop 3DMark06 score jumped 3,000 points when I overclocked my CPU from 3gig to 3.6gig.
     
  35. youdontneedtoknow

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    " razer control panel exited,"

    I believe this is the main reason that you got lower CPU score, since many any kind of control panel will slow down your computer significantly...
     
  36. leonyeo1001

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    would that be the resason for being a couple of thousand points below those running on a quad with the same single 8800M GTX? o.0
     
  37. ashveratu

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    Yes. Plus, never trust anyone elses score. Unless you are there and saw the score in person on the machine in question, take it with a grain of salt. Especially if it seems a little too high. Also, if running a quad-core and XP, they will score much higher us. Some people will do a clean install of XP without anything else installed except 3DMark and disable everything else in windows for the sole purpose of posting a high score. The average user does not do this...

    Your lappy is running right where she should be, rest assured ;)
     
  38. leonyeo1001

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    yeah.. 32k 3DMark06 score blew me off my seat when i first saw it.. oh wells, glad to know that my monster's still running fine..

    thanks for all the replies!!
     
  39. wobble

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    Yes. That latest score is excellent. If you were running XP (as I am) your scores would be considerably higher than mine because your CPU, while the same speed as mine, is better IMO. Note that ashveratu and I have identical systems, but (in SLI mode) he scores 12700 running Vista while I score 13400 running XP, a typical difference between the two OS's at the moment.

    You can fool around with things, including changing drivers, to improve your score a little, but, except for bragging rights, the slight FPS increase generally won't be noticeable in games. Although we need to stay reasonably current with drivers, my approach is to ignore average FPS and choose the driver that yields the best rendering and the highest minimum FPS (easily testable with the Crysis benchmark). In my opinion, poor rendering quality and low minimum FPS are far more noticeable than a small change in average FPS.
     
  40. leonyeo1001

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    about 800 difference when using different OS i see.. but how come you said you got a score of 13400 in SLI mode? thought you were running single gpu..??

    oh yeah and what i don't understand is, why you say my CPU is better ?? isn't it running at the same clock speed of 3.0GHz?? and i don't really tweak for 3DMark06 as you said, cos its only for bragging rights.. rather, i use it to compare with other users with the same system just so to know that there's nothing wrong with my hardware (and perhaps drivers too)..

    anyways, do you test your drivers out one by one? i find that a little waste of time just for slightly better performance in a certain few games.. just my opinion..

    and, thanks all for the replies! :)
     
  41. wobble

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    ..........
     
  42. leonyeo1001

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    alright.. i understand now..thanks for your help! :)
     
  43. Opteron

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    [​IMG]

    here is screen shot of my score.... I think someone mentioned I should post a screen shot instead of word of mouth...

    BTW I just ran it, again with folding program in the background and anti-virus in the background... nothing was closed or exited. And I have not rebooted my machine since last nite.

    Also my score has not changed since I upgraded my RAM from 2gigs to 4gigs...
     
  44. wobble

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    Your graphics scores are OK, but your CPU score is about 1000 points too low. Forget all the crap about other programs, and your computer being a month old. My guess is that your CPU just isn't upclocking, so check your power settings.

    For a check, run wPrime and CPU-Z at the same time to check that your clocks behave properly.
     
  45. The Biles

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    Hmm... I just got a 7194 when running it on my Windows XP drive. I know I got about 9000 on Vista. I wonder why so low on XP. Maybe because I had FireFox idling in the back or because all of my RAM isn't recognized by 32-bit Windows.

    3DMark06 Score: 7194
    2.0: 2827
    3.0: 2699
    CPU: 3758
     
  46. kobe_24

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    Looking at your SM scores, your GPU was not set to max performance or you were running on battery power? Either way, it’s not because XP is showing less memory or Firefox idling in the back ground.
     
  47. The Biles

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    How do you check this on XP? I know you can change the power settings on XP, but I don't see any sort of "max performance" on XP.
     
  48. Dreidel

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    If you are using a flash stick for readyboost, take it out! My score went from 8400 to 9100 when i took out my 2Gb Patriot Flash stick using readyboost.