9800? D901C Questions/Info

Just got off the phone with a reseller. They stated that the 9800's for the D901C will be available either Mid-June or July.

I don't see it as being feasible since the 8800's just launched, but I haven't been around the forums for a bit. Anyone else have any info on this?

I have an 'old' X6800 CPU and was thinking of upgrading to a Q9550. And I have 2x7950's which I was going to upgrade to 8800's but they told me to hang on for another month or two.

Also they said that the D901C was getting an ESATA port and an HDMI port. That Clevo was deciding if a case overhaul was going to be necessary or if they were going to go with a plastic bezel adapter that would fit in the current DVI port for the new HDMI part. (Dunno about the ESATA, where it would be located.)

So whats the word on this?

Thank guys!

 

the 98xxM will be a refresh of the 8800M architecture... probably a slight performance increase will be expected... nothing spectacular.

The current Clevo notebooks with MXM-IV that already support the 8800M should (with confidence) support the upcoming 98xxM modules.

 

Yup Gophn, they told me that the notebooks with 6.x revision motherboard wouldn't have to to upgrade. But since I have a 3.x motherboard I most definately would

But at least they told me to save my money for now Got to appreciate that. They also stated that the 9800's would be cheaper than the 8800's.

I don't know about that statement. It just seems that if its cheaper then it has to be less powerful. But I haven't done any info searching on the new mobile 9800's to know.

 

Yes the 9800M GTX is pretty much the same thing as the 8800M GTX except it uses a smaller dye so it uses less power and expels less heat.

 

I think it's also called M860TU.

 

Wonder if they are going to get the SLI 9800 before the q9450/q9550???
At least at Sager/xotic.

Chris.

 

The m860tu is a completely different beast (its a 15 inch with the 8800). He is suggesting the d901c is also getting ESATA/HDMI.

 

Right, they said the D901C is getting a ESATA and that its getting a HDMI port to replace its DVI port.

 

Why would they want to replace the dvi? I mean add an hdmi, sure, but I'm pretty sure more ppl use dvi than would use hdmi...Replacing it would needlessly add another adapter to most ppl's config (who use an external monitor)

 

Saw the specs on the m860tu with the new montevina chipset. Specs stated that it will support a 1 gig 9800 gtx videocard. If thats the case, that is crazy for a 15.4 notebook. I was wondering if they will releasing a 512 mb 9800 gtx card version or will the 9800 gtx only be a 1 gig card.

Also will the 9800 gtx cards that may be upgradable with the D901c be 1 gig cards or 512 mb version of the 9800 gtx cards?

Thanks

 

I doubt there would be a 1GB version

 

Maybe, Maybe 1GB VRAM.....

 

Just went to Eurocom's M860tu config page, it listed

Modular VGA: 512MB DDR3 nVidia 8800M GTX; 9800GTS; Quadro FX1600 or with 1GB Nvidia GeForce Go 9800GTX

for videocard options (ofc 9800 gtx will be in the future) but is that 1 gig of Nvidia Geforce Go 9800 GTX card listed the Vram your talking about?

Was also curious when I saw this as I couldn't believe it. Here is the link

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,196,0)

 

the leaked specs of the 98xxM GTX is using 1GB GDDR3.... so yes.

 

Why is this unbelievable? 1G cards are available in the desktop market and it's a logical next step from 512MB (ok so desktop cards went via 640 and 768MB, but those are silly numbers)

 

Gophn how will a 15.4 system even if it's a system that should run cooler handle a 1 gig 9800 gtx card. Saw the m860tu chassis and its about the same size as the M15x. Hopefully the m860tu will stay cool enough unlike AW's M15x with all its problems even months after the release.

Now can we speculate that if the D901c can be upgradable to the 9800 gtx card, that it will be 512 mb instead of 1 gig since its not using the montevina chipset?

 

It's rather impressive as its a 15.4" notebook. They go from 512 --> straight to 1 gig which is an awesome feat imo, and not to mention heat management on a 15.4" notebook. I thought the next step would be 768 mb but I guess thats technology for you.

 

The Ati hd3650 is in 14inch nbs and its a 1GB card.....Doesnt mean that the user will utilize all that VRAM though due to the bus limitation

 

I have 2 thoughts lately regarding the montevina platform
1.) m860tu is definitely cooler than m15x, reasons: i)both p-series cpu and 9-series gpu run cooler than previous generation. ii) I heard the mobo is 40% smaller than santa rosa? which mean more room for cooling system.
2.) assuming the mobo is 40% smaller, maybe clevo can fit in another HDD or even GPU into NP570TU if they try?

 

I posted a link about the 9800 series having 1 Gb of Vram, but they sure as hell never gonna use that much.
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-4852-view-GeForce-9800M-GTS-and-9800M-GT.html

 

It would be better if they use that space for cooling and not make a crappy cooling system such as the m15xs

 

I dunno if any1 noticed the topic i started a while ago about the "Cheaper" 9800 that Wu Jen is talking about. But i started that thread for the VERY same reason Wu Jen did. Me and him both talked to a sales rep. and wu jen. I also will be hoping that my next config will be 2x9800M and 9550

 

Somehow , cheaper doesn`t seem possible.
We are talking about next-gen here, even if it is just 5-10% better. No way will it be cheaper than the 8800M GTX.
If these cards will have low prices(~500$ I HOPE ) the 8800M GTX would still be cheaper.
The logic of the cheap-rumour surpasses me...

 

I'm going to upgrade if possible.

Just hope a new Chassis/Case is not mandatory. Otherwise in my case, new motherboard ($300) + new chassis ($1000-$1400) + new video cards ($1200) = ~$3000, that is new laptop entirely. Not an upgrade.

Trance.
PS: If having HDMI implies a new Chassis, hope Clevo decides sensibly on this. Or at least provide current owner a way to go around this requirement. We don't know yet if the increase in performance will be slight or not. On thing is for sure, drivers will be better.

 

1GB of GDDR3? Why do we need that for?

512MB is more than enought for the actual 3D titles at high ress, AA and AF on... with the cost of 1GB of GDDR3 I prefer much more 512MB of GDDR4 ou GDDR5... more bandwidth with less heat and power.

Now with the GT200 around the corner, I´m tempted to wait for it... 512bit bus... huummmm

 

Yes, again guys we are talking about the D901C/D900C having the 9800xxx, not some new notebook. I've had my D901C for about a year now.

Yup, supposed to be cheaper than an 8800...I just wonder if its performance will be more than the 8800. That will be crazy though, 2x9800's in SLI = 2GB video ram and since the D901C can have 8GB system ram that will be very nice!

Glad that I use x64

 

Just picked on what you have written. I don't yet know what the word "overhaul" means in this context for most of us in Europe. If it means new Chassis then I'm afraid it means for us an entirely new laptop in terms of cost. Maybe in your case it means some hacking services provided by your supplier, but some of us don't get those around here.

Stay cool,

Trance
PS: Thanks for the info.

 

I just wish that they would change out the piano finish on the D901C. I've been thinking about getting mine repainted with a flat finish.

 

Personally I would prefer everything (including top of the lid) in Piano Black (Volvo XC90 kind of sparkly piano black,). Eventually the area around the keyboard and pointing pad in bright metal gray (like the media buttons) with some light texture fealing to it. Can you imagine it?

Trance

 

You can always get a custom paint job... like through XoticPC.

 

I know. But I look cool already without the help of my notebook . Prefer going out and spend the money with my wife and son (or if I was single ... with the ladies )

Trance

 

Or, if you're sufficiently adventurous, DIY

- the fate/ that await -s/ my vaio!
(Just a little Tuesday morning doggerel)

 

Woooo, 1000$ for the chassis? seriousely now!

 

Oh yes! Goto to RJTech, imagine you don't have any video card, optical driver, battery and AC adapter and you will find the price to be well over $1000 (includes the mobo, LCD, Keyboard).

http://www.rjtech.com/miva/merchant...Code=R&Product_Code=D901C&Category_Code=CLEVO

Trance
PS: Sorry to surprise you eleron. But that is the price of Clevo innovation (Chassis/HeatPipes + Motherboard/LCD/KBD design). The rest is borrowed from others as you have almost no on going support over those, including drivers (RAM, CPU, VIDEO CARD, CHIPSETS, RAID CONTROLLERS, AUDIO CARD, WIRELESS, TV Unit, ETC ETC).

 

Dude, no offence but the RU chassis is 1260$ WITH:
-an 8700M GT ~300$
-17 inch WSXGA+ screen ~250-300$
-DVD writer ~50$
-battery ~100$
-adapter ~100$
-1 year warranty.
Shave those off and you can have it for ~500$.

D901C with :
-17 inch WSXGA+ screen(~250-300$)
-1 8800MGTX(750$)
-dvd writer(50$)
-battery(~100$)
-adapter(100$)
-1 year warranty(100$)
Shave them off and it will be closer to 700-800$, worst case scenario.

 

I'm using facts prestented by Rjtech price list. I don't think you can buy the chassis without the LCD that easily from a supplier (maybe on Ebay). And we are taliking about the d901c, not the the RU.

By the way the 8800M GTX can be bought for $600 if you really look for it.

Trance
PS: No offense taken mate. That LCD price trick is nice to justify your opinion, but it does not work that way in most cases as it is factory installed like the motherboard. Maybe your supplier can do it for you, but you can't generalize.

 

Makes me wonder Trance what the price of the 9800 will be since they are saying it will be cheaper than the 8800. I can't imagine it being sub $600.

 

My supplier is Sager. And if you must get the screen, sell the current one on eBay or something. Still not 1000$.

 

Initially, I think it will be the same price while the 8800M GTX will be sold cheaper just to get rid of the stock. When the 8800M GTX stocks are empty and the manufacturing is at full gear then maybe they will go down just a tad to match the actual savings of the new manufacturing process. This is what makes the most sense in business terms.

Trance

 

Even if you sell the LCD you still pay a $1000 in my book, unless you get it for free. I'm talking about what you pay, not about how you get the funds for it.

You might just argue that $1000 is not much. For which I'm inclined to think so if you are buying a new one. But not if you are actually upgrading from a previous one.

Anyway let's just wait to know if a new Chassis is needed or not. Before that, this discussion is merely academic.

Trance
PS: I can always sell my lappy for $2750 and then buy another one for $3500. Would this mean that the second one only cost me $750? NO. It means that I used to first one to fund the second one, but the second one always cost me $3500 finantially. From an economical point of view it means that you actually saved yourself $2750 considering you were always going to buy it anyway, and you don't need two laptops. But that has nothing to do with the prices being listed.

 

Kind of what I'm interested in finding out myself. PCMicroworks will buy back parts from your notebook when you upgrade. Just wondering if their buyback price will be anywhere close to what you could get selling it on the forums or on ebay.

 

So in this case you`d be upgrading the chassis and system with 750$, from your economichal point of view
Still not 1000$.

 

Well in that line of thinking, I could always go to my dad and ask for $3500. Funding this way I would "upgrade" to two notebooks for $0. Economicaly it cost me nothing. So merit to Clevo cheap prices in your point of view?

Finantially it cost me and my dad $3500 that I would probably would need to justfy with better grades or some other compromise.

Trance
PS: By the way, the "dad" was just a methaphore to explain the differences between funding, and the price of goods.

 

I know what you`re saying, but I was talking strictly about moving up to the next gen chassis. If you can sell your older system with 2750 and get the newer system better or identically specced for 3500$, the move to the new chassis is 750$. It`s all I`m saying.

 

if the 9800 cards require hdmi output then the 9262 will need another motherboard swap AND this time a case swap. if the 9800 cards can work with the currenty chasis and dvi ports then the 9262 will be able to simply accept the cards without another motherboard revision.

 

Why would they need an hdmi output?

 

My D901C is in a box on the Brown Truck and heading to be upgraded to Rev6. That should guarantee a new upgrade - that WILL require the Rev7 [or Rev8?] m/b

Is there a market for two Clevo 7950 GTX video cards?

 

All I can tell you is that the 9800 upgrade will not require a new motherboard. As far as the new ESATA and HDMI, no idea if that will require a new mobo or not. AlanP in your case you might want to talk to whomever you sent your notebook into to have it upgraded.

 

All I have to say is, and please don't take offense, 'cause I'm not taking anyone one, but it's a little amusing watching the pendulum swing back and forth. With the 9260, the pendulum swung all the way to euphoria (or, as Mr. Greenspan once said, irrational exuberance), something like - upgrading'll be a breeze, just snap the 8800s in and away you go. Now, with the imminent advent of the 9800s, the pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction, of doom and gloom, so that, notwithstanding that reasonably reliable leaks indicate a better than 50% chance that nothing worse than a BIOS update will be needed to permit the 9262 to accomodate the 9800s, too many people are just convinced that there's going to be another motherboard replacement required before they can install 9800s in their systems.

Aah, well, ...

 

One thing that can be said of the D901C is that it has had a ton of upgrade options!