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    A Quad Core notebook !!!!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Han Bao Quan, Aug 3, 2007.

  1. Han Bao Quan

    Han Bao Quan The Assassin

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    The Quad-core works in there.... but specification of the notebook show that it will be unstable due to the power requirements.

    So Xtremenotebooks might be digging their own grave if they advertise it that way.
     
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    Wu Jen Some old nobody

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    Unless they have a more aggressive cooling solution, it will not work dependably.
     
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    I do not want a 17" laptop with WSXGA+ resolution regardless of what the processor is. I would be more impressed with a 17" laptop that has a WQXGA (2560x1600) screen.
     
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    Pioneer is not the "Pioneer" that you are probably thinking of... which is the consumer electronics company.

    The Pioneer here is an Australian notebook reseller/vendor that re-brands Clevo notebooks. They DO NOT design or manufacture notebooks.

    And the irresponsible press releases marks them as a shady and inexperienced vendor.
     
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    looks like they took off the extreme on their configurations.
     
  11. ARGH

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    clevo stated that the quad core uses more power than the x6700 dual core. if so, can't you simply compensate by not going sli, or maybe not doing 3 hard drives? what about the new 8700 cards, they use up alot less power than the 7950 cards. clevo may have simply tested the quad core with a maxed out spec'ed system and found it would be unstable under full load is my guess.

    or is there a maximum voltage supplied to the cpu regardless of what accesories the rest of the system may have?
     
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    Exactly..the processor draws power and power = more heat.
     
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    if thats the case then they would need a mobo revision to supply the cpu more power than currently allowed. heat can't be the issue as the design has excellent cooling already. heck, the p4 3.6 in my older model probably produces more heat and it has been running fine for 2 years.

    i think they are holding back because the quad core retails for $300 dollars while that x6700 is $900 dollars at the moment. everyone would be picking the quad core.
     
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    ARGH, I'd have bought the D900C for quad core. It would have cost me another few hundred dollars even before the RAID array I, inevitably, would have been tempted into buying. Your theory is highly improbable considering also how few people have actually gone extreme in the D900C.
     
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    It's not a question of holding back. It's just a pure factor of heat and power consumption. The D901C does not have the cooling power to cool a 105 TDP processor. That is why it will work for a while then it will start BSODing you. As it heats up it becomes more and more unstable. It's just a fact of thermal dynamics.
     
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    the p4 3.6 in my 9860 has a 120+ TDP rating and i never had heating problems with it. the new chassis has even a better cooling system so it can't be related to heat.

    i think it is simply related to the power brick under a fully loaded system with sli gpu's. there isn't enough power from the brick in these cases and it creates an unstable system.
     
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    the main thing here is not just heat... its the power draw.

    the cap for the D900C/D901C is 280w

    The math has already been done and its going to be unstable if there is a higher requirement of power that cannot be supplied... until a later motherboard/PSU revision.
     
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    i think you just give it a bigger brick or cut TDP from other places (like no sli, or 8700 geforce cards instead as they draw much less power). who cares about battery life? this is a desktop replacement. the battery is for emergency ups to back up your work if you lose power.
     
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    there is no bigger brick. :)

    this is already the most powerful notebook on the market, a new power brick would have to be re-designed and manufactured.
     
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    the power brick is the same one since the introduction of the 9880 (which introduced the geforce 7800 card and new mobo to fix some of the issues the older mobo's had) so i don't think creating a new power brick is the issue. i believe it's rated at 220W. the brick for the 9860 was rated at 180W.

    if they kept the same 220W brick they can use the 8700 cards and 5400 rpm HDD to should enable support for the quad core.
     
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    it looks the same (physically), but is not (internally).

    Trust me, I already compared them in person.

    Its definitely a newer model of the old D900T/K brick.
     
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    guys..i know EVERYONE wants quad core in their PC/notebook right now (even though like 90% applications and almost 100% games don't use it at all..), but IT IS NOT AN OPTION WITH D900C. end of story. it is just like putting 5.7 liter V8 HEMI into a Honda civic..u sure can do that, but it's gonna shred the car into pieces. =)
    if anyone is interested in quad cores, you can either wait for penryn-based ones - they are supposed to use Socket P that is part of Santa Rosa platform (m570RU) or wait for their desktop counterparts that will be available for D900C. at this point it's just not possible.
    and remember that even if TOTAL PSU power is theoretically enough to support quad if you go with single HDD and GPU, it does not mean that it will work.

    ...and I'm not trying to destroy anyone's dreams =P
     
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    I saw a hemi in a PT Cruiser in the Chrysler Booth at Sema in Vegas. Doesn't mean that the public will get their hands on one out of the Factory.

    If you look at all of the cutting edge tech is this Laptop, it proves that Clevo isn't afraid to take on new innovations. And I'm sure that they want to lead the charge with new and advanced hardware. Where they are heading with MXM type IV is and interesting question in itself.

    The fact that they are quiet means: 1) it might be done and 2) they're working on it.

    They deny the rumors to throw off heat, and they announce ahead of release at their peril [to the competition]. But, quiet is a different matter. Quiet means that they are very busy. However, this doesn't mean that the solution will be backward compatable.