The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    AMD Catalys 13.6 Beta

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by mahalsk, May 28, 2013.

  1. mahalsk

    mahalsk Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    262
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    31
    There has been a new beta driver posted recently. There are a few Enduro things mentioned in the release highlights, nothing ground braking but at least something..

    AMD Catalyst
     
  2. fatboyslimerr

    fatboyslimerr Alienware M15x Fanatic

    Reputations:
    241
    Messages:
    1,319
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    81
    No game performance enhancements :(
     
  3. BlueNasser

    BlueNasser Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    4
    Messages:
    113
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    No frame pacing yet :(

    Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
     
  4. mahalsk

    mahalsk Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    262
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Nope but something has deffinitelly changed in this release. I just tryed to run kombustor burn test, and in whatever setting, either OPEN GL 2 or 3 or dx, It always stayed at 99%. This wasnt before!!. I remember OPEN GL test even with 13.4 running at arround 70-80%. Also something has changed in the Zero core functionality. Even when running kombustor, GPU will shut down after like 10 seconds.
     
  5. Dotcom93

    Dotcom93 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    13
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    ^If this is true it's the driver we were expecting for a long time. But why wouldn't they announce it or put it on the highlights?
     
  6. littlecx

    littlecx Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    783
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    compatible with intel 3071?
     
  7. littlecx

    littlecx Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    783
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    that means i have to finished oc within 10sec if i use kombustor to activate the gpu?
     
  8. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    This driver is actually great , It focuses on Amd mobility driver. They were significant enhancement in Enduro technology and other related stuff here is the log:

    You guys should not be depressed :)

    Feature Highlights of AMD Catalyst™ 13.6 Beta for Windows®:
    Product support for the new AMD A10, A8, A6, and A4 Series APUs on desktop and mobile platforms.
    AMD Enduro technology enhancement:
    -Reduces power consumption when running Windows 8 Metro applications – detects when Metro applications have idled and moves them to the integrated graphics component.
    -AMD Catalyst Control Center now shows the hardware and software Information pages for AMD discrete GPUs when paired with Intel integrated graphics.
    Includes AMD GPU & AMD APU OpenCL 1.2 acceleration in Adobe Premiere PRO CC.
    Support for AMD Wireless Display for Windows 8 and future Windows releases:
    -Supported on AMD Elite A-Series APUs with select Broadcomm and Atheros Wireless adapters.
    -AMD Wireless Display Technology provides the ability to wirelessly display local screen content onto a remote screen in real time. Compliant receiver/TV required.
    Resolved issues:
    -Resolves HDMI Audio drop-out issues on the AMD Radeon HD Series products.
    -Resolves issues with the AMD Catalyst Control Center showing Audio Display messages at incorrect times.
     
  9. omnid88

    omnid88 Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    18
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Granted, its Enduro focused, but not in the way enthusiast gamers (or I ) expected.

    Also, does it work with intels latest drivers and DX9 games? ...... did anyone report the problem for that matter?
     
  10. MacHater

    MacHater Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    146
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Latest Intel Drivers? Not really. Game opens and then stays frozen. Had to revert to Intel 2932 from 3071.

    DX9 games? Kind of. Performance still has room for improvement. Installing Catalyst Application Profiles (13.5 CAP1) results in 99% GPU utilization in CoD4 but results in severe tearing. Uninstalling the CAP fixes the tearing but max GPU utilization drops back to ~ 80% and the FPS count drops too.

    The new ZeroCore enhancements make overclocking a little more.. painful. That is, now I cannot just run a game in the background and apply the OC. I have to do it within 10 seconds (as mentioned by someone else), or the PC will crash if you apply the OC.
     
  11. MacHater

    MacHater Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    146
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    On the bright side, OpenGL performance is significantly improved. Went from ~ 56 fps in Cinebench 11.5 OpenGL test to ~66 fps. (coming from Catalyst 13.5 beta 3 Mobility)
     
  12. Allport3

    Allport3 Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    33
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I lost about 10 fps in something as silly as minecraft with this one from the 13.5 beta.
     
  13. johnnyman27

    johnnyman27 Notebook Lover

    Reputations:
    354
    Messages:
    1,315
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    56
    still brightness control doesnt work on windows 8 pro 64bit...
     
  14. Dotcom93

    Dotcom93 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    13
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    But the improvement to Zero Core means it will actually turn off the dedicated card after running a game now?
     
  15. mickyyy

    mickyyy Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    142
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I've been running these drivers with latest Intel since last night and haven't had any issues with anything. Performance seems the same, I don't have the 10 second window for OC on m 7970m, I can play in game for 30 minutes alt tab out to afterburner apply OC and see the change in game.
     
  16. Superpata

    Superpata Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    20
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Hello, a friend of mine just got one P170EM with a 7970m, would you recommend this driver to him? Also which Intel driver should he avoid due to the enduro conflicts? Thanks in advance.
     
  17. c69k

    c69k Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,118
    Messages:
    1,301
    Likes Received:
    1,032
    Trophy Points:
    181
    I updated to latest EC and Bios (from stock Bios) and installed 13.6 Beta (fully uninstalled 13.4 WHQL, then removed all AMD components from Control Panel) and all is good. Crysis 3 is smoother, it seems that updating Bios and 13.6 are a keeper for me. And yes, my video card goes to zero usage after 10 seconds. Max. temps I am getting on the video card are 5c lower than before under full load. Good luck.
     
  18. Tb5...

    Tb5... Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    31
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    16
    can you elaborate on this.
     
  19. c69k

    c69k Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,118
    Messages:
    1,301
    Likes Received:
    1,032
    Trophy Points:
    181
  20. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,151
    Trophy Points:
    931
    im guessing he means latest EC :)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  21. c69k

    c69k Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,118
    Messages:
    1,301
    Likes Received:
    1,032
    Trophy Points:
    181
    lol thank you jaybee83 all is now corrected.
     
  22. Beavy

    Beavy Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    14
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Is the driver stable guys? I would give it a go if i had my lappy here :)
     
  23. senshin

    senshin Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    124
    Messages:
    311
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    31
    You should try them, they are pretty stable else AMD wouldn't put them on their website.
    And if not stable install your older driver again, you can always try if you feel to.

    I just installed the driver but I think it's stable (enough)
     
  24. Wonka_Vision

    Wonka_Vision Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    30
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Can anyone else confirm a drop in Minecraft performance? I've always been thoroughly disappointed by the utilization of the 7970M in the game (my far inferior desktop GPU runs the game at a much higher frame rate). I was hoping this would be resolved, not get worse.

    I care about Minecraft more than anything :(
     
  25. TrantaLocked

    TrantaLocked Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    216
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I feel Minecraft's problem may just be its own and not related to AMDs drivers. I've never seen an AMD driver run the game with that smooth feel you see in normal DX games like Call of Duty and Battlefield. I think the game's frame time management is terrible and that the renderer just doesn't do well in delivering a smooth experience.
     
  26. revok

    revok Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Does anyone know if Far Cry 3 black-box-shadow-thingy-bug and frame-tearing is gone with the new driver? - I'm still waiting for those to be resolved in fc3_dx11...
     
  27. Allport3

    Allport3 Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    33
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I feel if "inferior" cards get much higher fps in minecraft than my 7970m and other new cards get fantastic fps, yet my 7970 barely breaks 45 right now, and in my base I created I only get roughly 30. So if you have "never" seen an amd driver run the game smooth, but I've seen nvidia cards run it smooth, that IS a amd driver problem. My nvidia 9800 gts in my old laptop gets better fps than my 7970m.
     
  28. Jaycob

    Jaycob Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    20
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    31
    While I do not question that minecraft runs better on an nvidia 9800 gts rather than on a 7970m, you have to admit that minecraft has a lot of rendering and performance issues (just google "minecraft nvidia issues" and you can see both driver and card specific issues). That's what one gets for using JAVA. A lot of verbosity and some memory bloat and subpar performance. Though it kind of pays off as it is portable and very self contained.

    I wouldn't say that the issue are AMD's or NVIDIA's drivers per se. You can see that in OpenGL based benchmarks recent cards perform better than old cards. I would say that while the issue could probably fixed via drivers, it is essentially a title specific problem. I haven't had any issues with OpenGL performance on my end. Just minecraft.
     
  29. CryoBolt

    CryoBolt Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    19
    Messages:
    258
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    31
    It has been a while since I ran mine craft and I don't remember if enduro was on or off, but I do remember getting 60+ frames with every thing max.

    I don't know.

    Sent from my SGH-T999
     
  30. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,909
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Running very nicely on my 7770M with bioshock :)
     
  31. pranktank

    pranktank Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    704
    Messages:
    1,089
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    66
    It's still there :(. I don't have a clevo though but I think this is the same for all AMD enduro laptops.

    I went back to 13.5 beta 3 because 13.6 caused a big performance drop in a lot of games for me.
     
  32. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,909
    Trophy Points:
    931
    How does your samsung bench by the way, would be interesting to compare to my Acer with 7770M ^-^
     
  33. fatboyslimerr

    fatboyslimerr Alienware M15x Fanatic

    Reputations:
    241
    Messages:
    1,319
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Thanks for the comments. Going to try 13.6 Beta.
    I'm having issues running Call of Juarez: Gunslinger (started a thread about it) on 13.4 as it BSOD fairly often.
    Lets hope this update fixes things.
     
  34. pranktank

    pranktank Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    704
    Messages:
    1,089
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    66
    3400-3450 on 3Dmark11 at stock clocks :).
     
  35. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,909
    Trophy Points:
    931
    So im not far off at all, cheers.
     
  36. pranktank

    pranktank Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    704
    Messages:
    1,089
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Wow, at what clocks?
     
  37. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,909
    Trophy Points:
    931
  38. TrantaLocked

    TrantaLocked Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    216
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    It isn't about FPS. I get 60 FPS solid and it still looks terrible. Frame times, you should look that up if you don't know about it.
     
  39. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,909
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Have you measured your frame times?
     
  40. TrantaLocked

    TrantaLocked Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    216
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    No, as I do not know how to.
     
  41. Allport3

    Allport3 Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    33
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Let me clarify. I don't care how the game really looks as it is vanilla minecraft, but my graphics card should be able to look as good as my old laptop made it look on full settings and run it smoother than my old laptop. I care about how smooth it runs. On my old laptop it ran SMOOTH, now it jitters and drops in fps to 30 which is obvious to me that it slows down and plays horrible. I don't care about the intricacies of the technology behind it, just that my new graphics card should run it smoother and look at least the same on full settings as my old laptop and my old 9800 gts.
     
  42. MacHater

    MacHater Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    146
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
  43. MacHater

    MacHater Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    146
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
  44. Allport3

    Allport3 Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    33
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
  45. MacHater

    MacHater Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    146
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    The fix seems to work great on all DirectX 9 games/applications. Increased 3DMark Vantage score a little too.

    But DirectX 11 utilization was sadly not fixed (e.g. BF3 still stuck at ~ 79-85% utilization). Definitely a step in the right direction. AMD needs to incorporate this kind of fix in their official driver updates.
     
  46. allyn2

    allyn2 Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    29
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    how did you install the fixed driver? I am getting an error related to c++.concerning a dll
     
  47. Dotcom93

    Dotcom93 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    13
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Install the library. Microsoft c++
     
  48. littlecx

    littlecx Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    783
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    amd just updated to beta2
     
  49. sheldorconqueror

    sheldorconqueror Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    102
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thanks but there's not much on that beta 2 :