AMD Catalyst 13.10 Windows Beta Driver

AMD Catalyst™ 13.10 Windows® Beta Driver

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/beta/amd_catalyst_13.10_mobility_beta.exe

Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.10 Beta Driver for Windows:

AMD Catalyst 13.10 Beta includes all of the features/fixes found in AMD Catalyst 13.8 Beta2
PCI-E bus speed is no longer set to x1 on the secondary GPU when running in CrossFire configurations
Rome Total War 2: Updated AMD CrossFire™ profile
improves CrossFire scaling up to 20% (at 2560x1600 with extreme settings)
resolves corruption issues seen while playing the game
Saints Row 4: Updated AMD CrossFire profile
improves CrossFire scaling up to 20% (at 2560x1600 with ultra settings)
Metro Last Light: Updated AMD CrossFire profile
improves CrossFire scaling up to 10% (at 2560x1600 with ultra settings)
Includes a number of frame pacing improvements for the following titles:
Tomb Raider
Metro Last Light
Sniper Elite
World of Warcraft
Max Payne 3
Hitman Absolution

 

obviously desktop crossfire business is much much more important than enduro

 

Yup! Selling two cards is better than one. I swear this is the very last AMD product I ever buy. I don't care even if the desktop GPUs cost more and/or aren't affected by these Enduro problems. This is the last straw.

 

What are "these Enduro problems"? I never had problems with my 7970m. It performs in any game very well, since I bought it.

PS: I only got into trouble with a "wrong" Intel HD display driver installed.

 

good you got a card (and driver) from god

 

I also never had any problem with Enduro. Intel Ivy ULV +Radeon 8750M.

 

Lol. I asked what "these problems are" and instead of trying to explain, you're trying to be sarcastic about the statement that my card runs very well. Buy a game console if you are not able to configure your computer.

 

My card doesn't give me any trouble either =). You might want to be more specific regarding the issue you seem to be having. Most problems have been sorted out by now.

 

good to hear there are some fan boys very happy with their amd card (and driver). i would like to ask those to run crysis 2 with directx 11+high resolution texture all ultra with latest god-sent driver exactly the same as this video i took more than a year ago shown, to see how's their god-sent cards (and driver) perform, by looking at the fluctuation of frame rate and gpu untilization
<iframe width='560' height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/AijjXy1NPoo" frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

You are posting a video from more than a year ago ? For me it has been smooth sailing since Catalyst 13.1. Haven't had a single gameplay issue since. There may well be some game specific issues, but calling people fanboys because they report no problems is just ludicrous.

 

good to hear another fan boy doesnt need leekm's enduro fix driver

 

Go back under the bridge where you belong...

 

What's wrong with you, little child x? Fan boy or not, my card performs very well, hahaha!

 

so far there are 4 fan boys very happy with their god-sent card and driver and do not need LeeKM's enduro fix. any more?

 

my 7970m works flawlessly. go spend a few hundred more on your gtx 680m and get the less performance you nvidia fanboys are constantly seeking.

 

I don't think he's a nvidia fanboy. littlecx is only too dumb to configure his graphics card and now he's looking for someone guilty (the radeon fan boys and girls), which he can make responsible for his stupidity.

 

Enduro is still problem for me (Clevo P150EM 7970m) , utilization in Saints Row 4 for example from 40 to 70% maximum , fps drops to 25 fps (all latest drivers , Windows 8 [email protected] 980 1450) . Same in Crysis , GTA 4 , etc.

 

Which Intel HD driver are you using?
Did you try playing the games without overclocking your card?
Did you also deinstall the Radeon drivers completely, inclusive driver cleaning with "driver fusion" and registry cleaning (especially amd radeon related entries) with ccleaner, before installing another driver?

 

I have the same questions as drieschel...on the 7970 memory OC results into more instability than Core OC..you should try with stock clocks or stock memory clocks.

Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk 2

 

I get 99% utilization across the board in the games I play. Enduro isn't an issue for me anymore and hasn't been since about 13.1 or so.

 

Add one more fanboy to the list! My card and Enduro is working just fine! I had issues with earlier drivers but since 13.x things have been really great, performance wise. I paid 2/3 of what a 680m would have cost me and get better performance. I really do feel badly for people who shell out for nVidia cards. They're like Apple customers to me... suckers.

 

Same result with and without OC. Intel driver from 2932 to 15.33.1.3277 , clean install Windows 8 or 7 same result. And please guys any one from all of you, who saying no problems with Enduro can you make video 30-60 seconds , how you playing with Utilization 99% on 7970m with good fps in Saints Row 4 (in opened areas) just for example. And yes, to see real utilization (not faked 99% , disable AMD ULPS). I bet , that I will not see any videos ). In Battlefield 3, you just put everything on ultra, but turn off AA and you will see how your utilization will decrease from 99% to 60% in multiplayer game.Sorry about my english.



No Enduro problems? with 52% utilization and 30 fps on 7970m vs 98% utilization on 680m with 60 fps My friends with P150EM got exactly same LOW utilization.

 

For me the Intel HD driver 9.17.2932 works best. The last Intel HD driver worked also very well except with The Witcher 2. That's why I changed back to the 2932.

I'm very sorry, I neither own Saints Row 4 nor Battlefield 3. But I can run some generic benchmarks like 3dmark or whatever you want and post the results.

PS: What is your native language?

 

Soo..

Anyone tried the new driver?

 

Recorded video average 45-50 fps utilization going from 78 to 98%, keep in mind tough first of you're not running the exact same scene and level and what not as your friend. Second games are bound to perform better on some graphics card, this is something that you and/or amd can't fix.

Running Saints Row 4 on ultra, 1920x1080.

Using the newest drivers for both intel hd 400 and ati 7970m, on Windows 8 x64 Enterprise N. And saying this like this " I bet , that I will not see any videos" is not going to be of any help, and i really hope the rest of the community is more mature then this. About the video i'll try and see if i can upload it somewhere it's a 350Mb file for like 1 minute of gameplay.

edit: I uploaded the video, i assume you can notice the difference between 30 and 60 fps because i have no way of showing the frame count when recording you just have to trust me on that one. It's pretty obvious though that after 30 seconds it's a constant 60fps or higher. http://we.tl/0RlIhoSsbB.

edit2: Excuse the music, forgot to turn it off.

P.S. Does anyone know of any way to show gpu utilization when recording with dxtory?

 

I can record for you video with stable 60 fps gameplay, but this will be fake as your. Now wait please, I upload it. And I BET I WILL NOT SEE ANY REAL VIDEO of gameplay SR4 with 99% real utilization. Fly over the city , show performance with with fps and utilization on your video and I will belive in power of Enduro xD

UPD. https://mega.co.nz/#!18M1QTSK!B72p_XFFwpK31AN_5fKo2RJX4EMBBY4ttuZ5s6Q6GSo

here you go, huh smooth gameplay? just like your lol ? then look up at screenshot 50% utilization 30 fps ( even on 1075v 950 @ 1450 OC) , and Enduro problem STILL confirmed by AMD. Believe me I was not born yesterday. And Im not Nvidia fanboy, I am one of the many people who have faced with the "challenge" of Enduro P150EM 7970m , all latest drivers , clean installed Windows 8 PRO x64

P.S. with my friend, we put our laptops on a table next (despite the fact that we have different revision 7970m and different brands resellers Clevo 150EM) and we've seen with our own eyes the same problem on both laptops.

 

I love my 7970m, especially with enduro disabled. Just felt like sharing this with you.

 

7970m just amazing with disabled Enduro on HM machines. With Eduro On...well I have no words xD

 

First off,

Coca stop the sassy attitude you're not helping yourself me or anyone on this forum. We're all here to talk and chat about the ATI drivers, and of course Enduro related issue's.

Never said anything about 60fps all the time, here's another video with utilization and fps counter. Although it seems it doesn't feel like going any higher then 84% utilization, the frame-rate still the same with 60% utilization. So have to say i'm not quite sure what the problem is now. Mind recording your video with fps utilization? And i'm using a p170em so maybe that's the reason i get higher utilization?

http://we.tl/hDUN9jVcv0

Btw has anyone who plays battlefield 3 noticed that sometimes when joining a server it crashes with an error related to it trying to use the intel hd 4000

 

Damn, you bought the wrong notebook. xD I'm very sure that there's no notebook/graphics card which would be the right one for you. You will ever find something that doesn't work like you expected.

I'm out, a discussion with a parking meter would be more useful...And I thought the kid has some real problems with its card...

[irony]OMG! I need a new graphics card, Saints Row 4 runs very well, but there is one scene where the fps drops to 30fps and the gpu utilizes at 50 percent...that's blasphemy...I want my money back...AMD is the devil...no...enduro is the devil...AMD is only its arm![/irony]

@partydonut
Very nice that you try to help someone, but I'm not sure if this person is able to appreciate what you are doing.

 

Huh, I play BF3 quite a bit (over 150 hours or so) and I never seen that error d b . Odd...

Regarding game smoothness:

- BF3 Multiplayer : Well, you literally have everything. From a constant nigh 50-60fps with ultra settings on nearly deserted servers, to dipping into low 30s on heavy scenes. Again, this is a CPU intensive game, so it is to be expected. Enduro should NOT cause serious issues here. The proof is that on one server you may run at very high frame rate, and on a very much more populated on a significantly slower one.

- SR4 : We are talking about a pretty much newly released game. It is true that FPS dips noticeably when looking at the city from above and facing the horizon at certain times. It is also a pretty typical drawing performance issue, one that requires a good implementation of LOD to work correctly.

Again, I seriously doubt it is an Enduro-related issue. Not every issue in regards with utilization means that Enduro is responsible. You can have similar fluctuations on any game with any card. Yes, the GPU is only being used X percent. But do you know why? Maybe it isn't being feed data. Maybe the game logic cycle is taking too long. Maybe data is not asynchronous. Maybe the GPU/driver/renderer engine sucks at doing that particular task. I remember the "old" OpenGL days when if you'd load a texture that wasn't a perfect 4^n x 4^z (four based powers) in dimensions, the renderer would drag itself silly trying to render it. Seriously guys,stop with the Enduro hate. If an 1xxHM owner of an AMD 7970m comes here and says "Nope, in SR4 I get constant >90% utilization" I'll eat my hat. Otherwise, it just proves enduro has nothing to do with this. Seriously, stop this non-sense...

 

Well, I don't know about SRIV, but in SRIII, I only get around 60% utilization in the open-world areas with dips to sub-25 FPS. This is definitely an Enduro-related issue - my old desktop rig with a far weaker CPU (Phenom II X4 965 vs. my current 3740 QM) and a weaker GPU (a 5850) can easily run SRIII at 40 FPS and more in every situation at the same settings.

Same thing with ACIII, by the way - the difference here is not quite as big (only 3 to 5 FPS), but the fact remains that my weaker desktop runs ACIII better than my Enduro-afflicted laptop.

BFIII runs at almost constant 99% utilization, though, as does Crysis.

 

well as long as there is performace difference between enduro and non-enduro (HM, alienware with enduro disable), i will say it is enduro related problem. even the games play smooth, the card is not performing as it should.
and if enduro problem is fixed by amd, LeeKM's driver shouldnt be here and no one would see the difference using it.

 

partydonut , 2nd off , another fake video recorded with 60 fps but with real 29 fps in hard scenes
utilization on this screenshot from your video is 70% only bc your 7970m also is used for video capture. Real number is around 50% , yes yes look to skyboxes - 50 fps yay xD

xD I got 2nd GT60 with 680m and it works perfectly fine with 60 fps (without AA), so yes you are out. It's amazing how any one can deny problem with Enduro , though the developer (AMD) still recognizes this problem.

Jaycob , what are you talking about ,poor utilization may depend on the CPU (which can not load GPU) OR Endruo problem. 99% = eat hat? similar in
performance (nominally) 680m with Optimus showing 95-99% utilizaton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_CmOI_UAdI

full Ultra 8xAA

 

where is the isue ?
hardware or software ?

 

That's exactly what i tried to explain with the videos but i guess drieschel was right, it's like talking to brick wall.

So on to the real issue thats mildly anoying, am i the only one that gets a start-up error with battlefield 3? I think it's related to the browser using the Intel hd4000 and the bf3 web-plugin trying to do the same. But after it connected and loads the server it's set to use the 7970m. Have you guys set your browser to high-performance mode or power saving?

Edit: Added a picture.

 

Did you reinstall directX?

I guess, directX can't detect the driver from the HD4000 correctly. Maybe that's why the directX makes an erroneous API call. Which Intel driver do you use?

If you set the browser to high-performance, the Radeon should be used for renderering it.

 

Installed directX a few times and using the latest HD4000 drivers. And that's exactly the reason i'm not setting my browswer to use the radeon, it's already loud as is no need for the radeon to be constantly spinning . I'll try installing older intel hd drivers, and if that doesn't work i'm going just keep it as is. Because it does work but just like once every twelve times it gets an error nothing to bad.

 

So now if you do not claim to hate AMD you are a fanboy. So be it then =).

Back on topic.

@Coca
I won't bother giving any video evidence since I'm too lazy and you will probably call it fake.
I will use third party evidence so you cannot call me a liar =).

In my experience with the game, it runs smoothly at max settings. That is good enough for me. I do not bother with how much fps I am getting with what utilization unless it is a multiplayer game. However, for you satisfaction, I did seek out a benchmark for the game.

Saints Row IV Benchmarked - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

This gives us a good idea of how the game runs on various cards. As you will notice, the 7970m is missing from the list. Why did they leave this. Well here is the reason:

"You are forgetting AMD's high-end team? We have not included our results from the Radeon HD 7970M or HD 8970M because both GPUs were unnaturally lethargic both with the WHOL driver 13.4 and the Catalyst 13.8 Beta2 (30-50 fps). Considering the flawless desktop results (compare the Radeon HD 7770 and HD 7970), we are guessing the Enduro graphics switching is at fault."

So there you have it. Confirmation that there is certainly an Enduro issue with this game. Now before you go grabbing the pitchforks and decide to go burn AMD to the ground, you must look at the whole picture.

As mentioned, the game is running at around 30-50fps, which is not exactly unplayable. In my books that is ok for a single player game. However, you might have loftier expectations.

So what are your options?

7970m: Variable performance due to enduro roughly between 30-50 fps.
680m: 42 fps
675mx: 33 fps

So there you have it. Even with the Enduro issue, the performance is still on par with the 675mx. At the same time, the 680m which will set you back for an extra couple of hundred dollars, will only yield around 42fps. Nothing to cry over about in my opinion. All games perform slightly better on AMD or Nvidia. At the same time, there is always hope that the specific issue with this game could be resolved in an upcoming patch if it isn't already with LeekM's fix.

Please explain how this is such a big deal?

 

I said, I would very much like to know how SR4 performs on non-enduro enabled systems (or with MUX switches) in order to compare. If the difference in utilization is so big (say from 50% to 90% or so) then yes, I will eat my hat. But only if you compara a 7970m enduro with a 7970m non-enduro. That's how you can claim there is an issue with Enduro. Otherwise it is either driver or game engine related. Meaning it might or might not be AMDs problem (even if it is only afecting AMD users).

Edit: Also, in the video that you showed, you can see FPS dipping into 30s as well. What are your thoughts on this? Is this ok for you if the GPU reads as >90% in use, even if the similar results appear on a 7970m with 70%? What is it you are exactly claiming?

 

o0phantom0o , we're not talking about the satisfaction of the performance 7970m. We talking about game underutilization, Enduro probem (since apr 2012 and still not 100% fixed) Some people deny the existence of Enduro and lie about gpu utilization in 3d applications (which have a large enough open space SR4 , GTA4 etc). This problem is recognized even by the manufacturer (AMD), but these users continue to lie and deny everything that they have 99% utilization.
Look at this :
View image: Saints Row IV 2013 09 07 00 48 12 745 52% utilization , 30 fps = no problems?

my opponent say he got perfect smooth gameplay with high utilization , here screenshot from his video

View image: 1 29 fps , low utlization

I hope you see what i mean?

I am not trying to offend anyone or argue with. I dont understand why people are lying, denying the problem with utilization. 680m - not the main subject of our discussion.
We talk about : Optimus works perfectly unlike Enduro. Nvidia cards are utilized at 95-99% in all applications in same laptop Clevo P150EM. 7970m works perfectly on Clevo HM laptops , but on laptops with Enduro ON we can see huge fps (25 and lower) and utilization (50% and lower) drops in many games. This is not my opinion, its a fact that will remain so, even if it is denied by some users.

Jaycob , I dont want you to eat your clothes I dont have at this moment HM laptop with 7970m to show you utlization, we need ask someone from forum. Also keep in mind it will be laptop with weaker CPU ,older platform.
And yes, if 680m shows 35-40 fps on Ultra 8x AA with 98-99% utilization , 7970m will show maybe much more fps with REAL 99% utilization I bet. But we cant get 99% utilization on EM machines in Saints Row 4 , because AMD cant completely fix 7970m Enduro problem since April 2012.

 

@Coca
No one is denying that enduro has problems. Last year in April, it was broken. Right now, even you have to admit that it runs most games smoothly at max settings without a problem.

I agree that there are still games where the utilization is below 90% perhaps. But you cannot say AMD isn't doing anything. We are seeing better and better drivers where the difference between enduro and non-enduro systems is decreasing.

More importantly for me, we are seeing more and more games where the performance of the 7970m is exceeding the performance of the 680m. Overclocking is out of the question for me right now so it does not figure into my equation.

Bottom line for me as a customer is that I am getting performances similar to a 680m(stock clocks) by paying around $200 less. Yes there are still games where the 680m beats the 7970m and vice versa. Heck, there are games where the 7970m beats the 780m(dota2). That is just how PC optimization is I'm afraid.

I would love it if AMD were to remove all the problems and make this card run at 100% utilization all the times(I hope they are still working on it =). but at the same time, I do not feel I am dissatisfied with what I bought. I do not feel the need to pray for the downfall of AMD like most haters here =).

 

That's exactly the point which people like Coca(in?) don't wanna understand and simply ignore.

 

someone over nbc played saint row 4 with 7970m and they said....
"You are forgetting AMD's high-end team? We have not included our results from the Radeon HD 7970M or HD 8970M because both GPUs were unnaturally lethargic both with the WHOL driver 13.4 and the Catalyst 13.8 Beta2 (30-50 fps). Considering the flawless desktop results (compare the Radeon HD 7770 and HD 7970), we are guessing the Enduro graphics switching is at fault."

Saints Row IV Benchmarked - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

Fair enough. Speaking of open world games, Just Cause 2 is also very open world and the performance on the 7970m is sublime really... Usually 60fps or 50fps during all the gameplay.

 

o0phantom0o , I agree but you say " No one is denying that enduro has problems " , I have right here discussion with people like drieschel, who say:

" What are "these Enduro problems"? I never had problems with my 7970m. It performs in any game very well, since I bought it. "

The man who says it, or lying, or someone who does not understand anything in this matter, in notebooks and graphics cards. Most likely his perception of reality is not objective, if 50% utilization and 29 fps in many games = " performs in any game very well " lol.
Please take into consideration that hundreds of people , including members from this forum, are refused (gpu replaced or even laptops) from using AMD 7970m in favor of Nvidia solely because of problems Enduro and you can ask about it any reseller. For example , when my friend bought Sager 9150 (P150EM), the reseller said that it is better to choose 675mx or 680m, bc 7970m has performance problems due to technology Enduro. And even after all , there are people who lie (either themselves, or others) saying : " What are "these Enduro problems"? I never had problems with my 7970m. "

Jaycob, Just Cause 2 was fixed in " 7970m enduro performance driver "

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst7970MEnduroPerformance driver.aspx " up to 90% in Just Cause 2"

You understand that this is a huge problem that we must wait a few months before AMD fix next game is prone to the problem of Enduro?

 

There is a lot of confusion regarding LeekM's drivers. Machater, who made an app implementing his drivers claimed that AMD incorporated his fix in the 13.8 drivers.

Regardless of that, performance gains in his drivers are not global. They are noticeable in a select group of games and the difference is only a few frames.

But forget all that. Lets assume that enduro is a HUGE problem and games are under-utilizing the card by a big margin. Performance is still on par(if not beating) a stock 680m.

That does not seem like a bad deal, given we paid less for this card. Yes we should still urge AMD to improve the drivers so it can perform to its potential. However, I do not share your pessimism regarding how bad AMD is dealing with the issue.

 

yes i absolutely agree 7970m perfomance is on par or even better than 680m, close to 780m after oc, without rubbish enduro

 

Please forgive me that every game I played with my laptop performed very well. One thing is right, that I only can talk about games that I played, which is not Battlefield3 or Saints Row 4.

You already bought another graphics card but you are still here for fighting with people who are happy with their Enduro cards and to claim that people are liar. So, what is your goal here?

 

Considering that 8970m is so similar to the 7970m, I think it is safe to assume that AMD will try to get their game right. That and the fact that they have all the next-gen consoles using their GPUs.

All in all, not worried. Games play well enough for me, and OpenCL performance is way way better than a desktop Quadro or Tesla, for a fraction of the price. So I'm a happy camper (could be happier, though, but still, not complaining much).

Of course each one is entitled to their opinion. It is a FACT that there are quite a few titles affected by Enduro. It is also a fact that it is a cheaper card that tends to perform a bit better with each release. It is also another fact that in some titles it performs on par or better than a 680m (or even a 780m). So one simply has to weigh in these facts (and others) and come to a decision. I don't hate or love the card. It serves its purposes for me, and that is enough. I use both Nvidia and Amd products regularly, whenever I have a particular need (some projects require that I work with PhysX, so guess what I'm stuck with ).