AMD scheduled to release major update to enduro platform - promises unified driver

Couldn't AMD just shut down all of the unneeded parts of the iGPU and just enable what is needed for display transfer? I wonder if that would help at all.

 

Pretty sure they know what to try. They will try anything to solve the issue through driver upgrades.

 

absolutely.

 

Besides expectations i think you are letting the matter die right now, not many have posted usefull information in Anandtech's article, Jarred has tested and replied to every useful report, so i think some of you who have some numbers and %s of the problems could post it... I hardly think Jarred with enter every forum searching for issues.
Well lets hope it picks up after the weekend.

nite

Voz

 

i feel this whole 7970m fiasco and amd is like the old enhancenment shaman nerfs of 1st expansion WoW... Ur new and improved changes and improvements? NEW STORKSTRIKE ICON! / NEW NON HORRIBLE UI!

Clevo is affected. hp is affected. dell is affected.everyone who uses a 7 series gpu, unless theyre using the old switch designs.


anyways AMD as a company has changed, they arent quality anymore nor do they wish to compete. The new lead of gpus/graphics at amd also has no graphical experience no experience at all in gpus, what he has worked on is parallel computing. The company to me looks to have a very bleak future. with its stock under 4(under even 3.50) bucks and dropping often, i see them being devalued. theyve gutted alot of R and D and wanna go for this whole cloud dream and parallell computing dream crud.


Theres also no driver support in sight just a beta sent to anandtech.. and even testing the beta drivers theres still under utilization! so this isnt good news at all.
the idea that nvidia did the same thing to customers with optimus a year back when, isnt an excuse for amd to play that way.

I dont think amd is the value it claims to be anymore, at least with nvidia i know ill get a working product. besides.. batman looks way more impressive with physx... i tried so long to hate it but switching to the green side has been the happiest thing for me ever.

 

The first thing is to get drivers that you can actually install without a hassle (on all switchable configurations). Once that is achieved, the Enduro issues should be next on the list. 7970M would be a fantastic card if there were no Enduro issues, and it would be the one to pick hands down. And for the physx, I've been using Nvidia for five years now (still using on my main rig) and I have never had any benefit from Physx whatsoever.

 

You know....now that I have shut down my Clevo P170EM with the 7970M until my 680M arrives in the mail for me to install, I've had time to read a lot of posts here about this issue without feeling frustrated at any one company.

It's really all of our faults. We want the best hardware we can get and we want it now And the way social media is now, if some crackerjack engineer designs a great piece of hardware, we will all learn about it before the packaging material is designed to ship it in. So the root problem here is that both companies, AMD and NVidiia create a cutting edge piece of hardware, shove it out the door quickly because we have all read about it and want it, meanwhile the code writers haven't created and tested the driver. Us early adopters of this bleeding edge technology become the beta testers and the major problem with this is that AMD is making the mistake of not engaging, not talking to, their beta testers. Maybe AMD does have a beta test going somewhere but by releasing the hardware early we here at NBR have become the defacto beta testers.

Anywhere else, beta testing would be closed with an NDA imposed on the testers. In our case, we are beta testing a product with no ongoing communication from the people providing the software. The only NDA I see is one that caused the thread by a reseller who was attempting to provide a workable driver. I say that because that same reseller is, shall we say, remarkedly quiet about this subject on this board.

I've been doing this a long time starting with my commodore 64 machine and I should know better. All of us could have saved ourselves a lot of angst if we let others (like anandtech, guru3d, or maximumpc) beta test the new hardware or, better yet, AMD should beta test their product before releasing it to the enduser. We can talk about it all we want now. All the testing and logging has already been done. AMD knows about it, they have marketing types who know how to google "7970M problems" This bottom line is communication. I will forgive a multitude of sins if you talk to me. If you don't, I'll find someone else who will.

 

At last some people is sitting back and thinking before typing, nice to read some words of wisdom after all. You may share or not their views but you cant argue when someone really puts effort to make a point.

Glass half full is my own point of view on the subject, its not so black and probably it wont get blinding white.

 

Has any of the Clevo EM with 7970M owners tried to flash the Clevo HM vBIOS to see if it works?

 

If you disable enduro in the bios then you get a black screen on EM series, as unlike with HM series, your 7970m has no connection to the screen, only iGPU does.

 

This very short wiki article pretty much sums it all up:
Early adopter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the key sentence here:

" The real-world focus that this type of relationship [early adopters and vendor relationship] can bring to a vendor can be extremely valuable."

Here's the thing - early adopters go hand in hand with technology. They are among the first to try the product, provide valuable feedback about it and are a key element in determining whether a product sinks or floats.

The problem? Neither AMD nor nVIDIA give a rat's gray furry little behind about early adopters or their feedback. And that's bad business and a bad marketing choice. Lucky for nVIDIA this stuff didn't happen in this round, but it could have. And if it would, I'm willing to bet we'd be treated the same way as you guys. However, AMD are even worse for it.

You see, nVIDIA and Intel are the 300 pound gorillas in this match. They can afford to treat us like that. Doesn't mean they should, but they can, and they'll be able to survive. AMD, on the other hand, is the underdog here. As such, they cannot afford to have their customers second guess them and think hard before going for their products.

They already completely lost the match in the CPU arena, the only thing that's left for them is their acquisition of ATI's GPUs, which they sell much cheaper than the competition. Treating their early adopters crowd that way, leaving everyone in the dark and trying to cover it all up instead of admitting mistakes while working to rectify the situation will be their downfall. If they keep this type of marketing behavior, I give them 2-3 years at most and they'll be gone, hanged drawn and quartered all over the place between the vultures. Which is quite a shame, because we really need the competition. I'm willing to bet that if AMD's CPUs were competitively strong as Intel's, we'd be getting much faster CPUs by now.</snip>

 

If the rumours that AMD are making the GPUs of PS4 and X720 are true, I figure your scenario is unlikely to happen. Perhaps then Nvidia will be in AMD's current shoes.

 

Oh, that's right, I forgot all about consoles.

I guess that might explain why AMD are allowing themselves to behave that way.