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    ATI HD 6990m

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by terminus123, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. ichime

    ichime Notebook Elder

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    Here's some more info:

    Test system:

    i7 2820QM, 8GB Ram, Windows 7 Ultimate, Intel 510 series 250gb HD, Cat 11.5 drivers. It's probably a Clevo system from the sound of it...

    3dmark06: 21K

    Vantage: P16K (overall, don't know the GPU score)

    3dmark11: P3400

    Heaven 2.1 normal tessellation: 36 fps

    And don't ask where I got this info (and no, I didn't overclock or play with the Engineering Sample I got, because I sold it).
     
    ichime, Jul 11, 2011
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  2. Mike570U

    Mike570U Notebook Consultant

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    And I was just about to cram a 6970 in my W860cu...

    Are those results about right for the estimated 10-15% gain others have been predicting?
     
    Mike570U, Jul 11, 2011
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  3. terminus123

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    10-15% over the 6970m or GTX card?
     
    terminus123, Jul 11, 2011
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  4. Mike570U

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    Over the 6970..?
     
    Mike570U, Jul 11, 2011
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  5. BenWah

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    Looks like it's about 10% faster than 6970, I'd like one.
    580 also improved about 10% over 485.

    That'd make the difference between the new 580 and 6990 about the same as the difference between the old 6970 and 485.
     
    BenWah, Jul 11, 2011
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  6. Mike570U

    Mike570U Notebook Consultant

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    Indeed, I hope AMD rolls it out quickly..

    Either way, price will probably control which route I go, the 6970 can be had for $420 (US) and I don't think I can justify too much beyond that for 10%.
     
    Mike570U, Jul 11, 2011
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  7. eoinmfoley

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    Do you think the 6990M CF with i7 990X in X7200 at full load will need the 2nd 300W PSU like the 485M/580M SLI does?
     
    eoinmfoley, Jul 11, 2011
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  8. Mike570U

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    Yeah, that desktop cpu eats 130 watts all by itself...
     
    Mike570U, Jul 11, 2011
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  9. eoinmfoley

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    But the 6790M CF didn't trip out the 300W PSU at full load. Kinda hoping it will only need one as they're big enough already.
     
    eoinmfoley, Jul 11, 2011
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  10. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Only if you are an EXTREME gamer or BENCHER will you need the dual PSU set up.

    We have a Dual, SLI 580M x7200 R2 with the 980x Extreme CPU and no problems at all doing benches and gaming so far on one PSU... :)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jul 11, 2011
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  11. eoinmfoley

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    Thanks for that. I'll probably just get one and then upgrade to two (or a 400W if it's ever born) should the need arise..
     
    eoinmfoley, Jul 11, 2011
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  12. Saltius

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    When overclocked to 4GHz, six-core I7 eats at least 50W MORE than stock speed @ full load.

    If one doesn't overclock, why does he purchase an extreme other than 970?
     
    Saltius, Jul 11, 2011
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  13. ichime

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    My source also says that AMD is going to advertise it being 25% over the 6970M...
     
    ichime, Jul 11, 2011
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    25% more what? money or performance?
     
    pkhetan, Jul 11, 2011
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  15. ichime

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    Performance. But from the numbers he's giving me, it looks more like 15%...20% at best. It's kinda how nVidia advertised 20% over the 485M when it's really more like 10%
     
    ichime, Jul 11, 2011
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    MrMoneybags, Jul 12, 2011
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    Wow, they are actually saying its 25% over the 580m? o_O

    [​IMG]

    edit:Clever AMD " The following slide uses simulated performance (e.g. a downclocked desktop GTX 560 Ti GPU running at mobile speeds and with only 1GB GDDR5, again with a 3.4GHz Phenom II CPU), so take these results with a grain of salt:"
     
    rcwillis, Jul 12, 2011
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  18. calxn

    calxn Notebook Geek

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    Those are fight words, AMD. Hope you can back it up. "...up to 25 percent faster than any other GPU that's been announced to the public."
     
    calxn, Jul 12, 2011
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  19. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    580m has more transistors.
     
    aduy, Jul 12, 2011
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  20. Mike570U

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    What witchcraft is this? 1120 SP is a 17% increase over 6970's 960, + 35 Mhz on the core, and same memory clocks...

    Either way, flood the channels with'em.
     
    Mike570U, Jul 12, 2011
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  21. calxn

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    This feels like Radeon 9700 Pro all over again. Gotta make you wonder why Nvidia would release the 580m with just a slight clock increase over the 485m. Do they have a mystery chip in their pockets? They demo'd Crysis 2 running on a mystery single notebook GPU. We all assumed it was the 580m. Perhaps it was the 590m, and Nvidia wanted to see what AMD was going to do first? Very interesting.
     
    calxn, Jul 12, 2011
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  22. aduy

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    how do amd sp compare to nvidia cores
     
    aduy, Jul 12, 2011
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  23. Mike570U

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    Like apples to oranges. :D
     
    Mike570U, Jul 12, 2011
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  24. putino

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    I wonder if it will be possible to flash the vBios of the 6970M to perform as the 6990M...
     
    putino, Jul 12, 2011
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  25. terminus123

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    I think in another post they already said it's not possible.

    I'm only taking it for a grain of salt atm. Though for all those GPU techies out there, looking from the specs of the 6990m...is 25% believable?
     
    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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  26. Mike570U

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    As pointed out: 1120 SP is a 17% increase over 6970's 960 SP, + 35 Mhz on the core which is 5% boost, and same memory clocks. So.. No.

    But they will be close to each other, and competition is always nice.

    BTW Ichime updated the graph w/ a note: it is really a 6990M VS. a downclocked desktop GTX 560 Ti GPU running at mobile speeds and with only 1GB GDDR5 (which supposedly approximates the 580m)
     
    Mike570U, Jul 12, 2011
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  27. putino

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    Why not ? May you give me a link or an explanation pls ? Thanks
     
    putino, Jul 12, 2011
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  28. terminus123

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    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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  29. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    + some extra textures, lol
     
    Aikimox, Jul 12, 2011
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  30. firstnomad

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    I'm pretty sure the demo was running on a dual notebook GPU...
     
    firstnomad, Jul 12, 2011
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  31. Saltius

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    580m has 64TMUs @620MHz while 6990m has 56TMUs @715MHz

    They should be quite close.
     
    Saltius, Jul 12, 2011
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  32. Bytales

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    AnandTech - AMD Raises the Mobile Performance Bar with Radeon HD 6990M
    AMD Launches AMD Radeon HD 6990M - World's Fastest Single Mobile Graphics Processor | techPowerUp

    QUote anandtech:
    Both the AMD and NVIDIA parts should be plenty fast for 1080p mobile gaming, so the real question is more likely to be who offers the best overall value.
    Our money is still going to be on whoever can come in at a lower price point, and if recent history is any indication, that will likely be AMD with the 6990M.



    Bottom line, 6990 is faster and cheaper than 580m.
     
    Bytales, Jul 12, 2011
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  33. Harleyquin07

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    Another point in AMD's favour is that unlike the 580m the 6990m is an actual upgrade in hardware and features unlike the increased stable overclock offered by the 580m, pricing should dictate that the 6990m is a winner especially as it's so close to the 580m.
     
    Harleyquin07, Jul 12, 2011
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  34. Tirenz

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    German article:
    AMD Radeon HD 6990M vorgestellt - Notebookcheck.com News

    It says that the card is only available in september...?

    And they "emulated" a 6990m with the Desktop 6870 and clocks of 6990m but it couldn´t outperform 580m...
    Though it´s strange they set the clock to 615 and not 715...? maybe that was a mistake...
     
    Tirenz, Jul 12, 2011
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  35. jaybee83

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    hmmmm.... nah, still not worth upgrading to. ill wait and see what the next year brings along :)
     
    jaybee83, Jul 12, 2011
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  36. Phinagle

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    I'm not getting the point of your statement? More transistors only guarantees that the chip uses more silicon and is more expensive to manufacture. A very sizable portion of GTX 580M's transistors are dedicated to handling CUDA functions that have nothing to do with rendering graphics.

    In the games where the HD6970M already had the advantage over GTX 485M it's believable...but typically the performance gain will be noticeably less. Honestly, as long as the HD6990M closely matches the GTX 580M in games where the GTX 485M previously held an advantage over HD6970M the mobile performance crown should go to AMD.
     
    Phinagle, Jul 12, 2011
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  37. KC2PLL

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    Why do you think it's not worth the upgrade?
     
    KC2PLL, Jul 12, 2011
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  38. Phinagle

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    Because the GTX 485M he already owns is still a respectable card.
     
    Phinagle, Jul 12, 2011
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  39. terminus123

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    yea, most likley in real benchmarks (not simulated ones), the 6990m and 580m will be around equal...so not a worthwhile upgrade from 485m at all. If the 6990m card comes out September--then screw it, I'm going for GTX 580m.
     
    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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  41. Blacky

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    But what about the rumors that AMD's image quality is slightly worse than that of Nvidia's ? Any conclusive evidence on that?
     
    Blacky, Jul 12, 2011
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  42. little_one

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    You can disable the AI that reduce image quality for FPS in catalsyt control center bro ....
     
    little_one, Jul 12, 2011
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  43. terminus123

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    Yep, he's correct. What bugs me though is why do they even have this stupid AI thing on their high-end GPU drivers? it's still an "attempt" of cheating.
     
    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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  44. Phinagle

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    Responded to that back on page 3. :þ
     
    Phinagle, Jul 12, 2011
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    I just got my 6970m :p. Oh well, I can hope a hack to enable the rest of the SPs come out - but in all reality, the 6970m is a beast and at least this isn't the Mobility Radeon 9700 pro debacle (this is only a minor upgrade not a x2 performance upgrade LOL)
     
    aarondr, Jul 12, 2011
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  46. Condottiere

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    The important point, it seems to me, is this: now that we know that AMD is cheating with its 'image AI', any attempt at benchmark comparison become moot unless we know that the AI has been turned off. It's apples-and-oranges otherwise. It seems to me that this point has been lost by almost everyone in the urge to compare numbers and brag/moan.

    I'm glad many of the testing sites are now doing this, but they all should be.

    AMD should be catching a lot more hell for this than they currently are.
     
    Condottiere, Jul 12, 2011
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  47. Phinagle

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    Nvidia has been guilty of "optimizing" for benchmarks in the past as well....and likely still are in the present, and will continue to be in the future.
     
    Phinagle, Jul 12, 2011
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  48. terminus123

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    I'm just curios--never was into notebooks when I was younger, what was the Radeon 9700 debacle? I've heard of it before but not sure what it was.
     
    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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  49. Condottiere

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    I agree, and like most stories in the business world, there aren't any 'good guys' here. But while Nvidia has been known to cook benchmarks and skew comparisons with wonky driver choices, AMD's decision to literally gimp the playing experience of thousands of paying customers unless they find out about 'the secret switch' is nauseating. More practically, AMD's chicanery affects more than House Benchmarks, because when fans run their own benchmarks those benchmarks will be flawed as well, and often, people are more likely to credit independent fan sources for such things over official comparisons, given the above.

    In other words, AMD has not only made a decision which negatively affects the game experience of its customers, it has turned them into unwilling marketing tools. Gah. :mad: The situations has begun to correct itself as more and more people discover the need to turn off the AI in CCC, but it doesn't make the situation any less repugnant.
     
    Condottiere, Jul 12, 2011
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  50. terminus123

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    Yep tottaly agreed, seriously ATI should just completley remove the "AI" on all high-end GPU drivers--anyone who buys a high-end GPU will want the full graphics experiance anyways!

    Just a question since I haven't been up to date on AMD GPUs for awhile. Only Nvidia GPUs can still enable PhysX settings in games like Batman: Arkham City and Alice: Madness Returns right?
     
    terminus123, Jul 12, 2011
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