ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850

im wondering when will this card will come out to the newer sager laptops, np8660 & np5796

according to notebookcheck it suppose to be faster than 9800m gtx
october?

edit: site - http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M577e7144be0.0.html

 

never. that's a desktop card.

 

"mobility"

 

maybe next year october.

 

no way jose, Q3 2008

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5015e907f85.0.html

 

if you knew then why did you ask

 

im asking about sager laptops
any plans for this card?

 

like Intel planned to released Centrino 2 in May 2008?

 

Call a company that sells Clevo's and ask.
But since the card is not available yet you will not get a sraight answer but you never know.

 

If the info given to us by a source that shall not be named, sager/clevo have a close relationship with Nvidia and will not implement Radeon graphics cards at this time. Take it with a grain of salt since Nvidia is shrouded in mystery about faulty graphics cards, perhaps eventually we will see them. As for your time frame for Q3 2008, you do realize we haven't even seen a 3870 in a laptop yet and you really think we will see a 48XX card in the next two months?

 

Ugh, I can't stand waiting any longer. But lets be realistic this card won't be shipped for at least another 6 months at best. Theres a big difference between announced/released and shipped

 

I agree...

 

Engineering samples for the 4850 and 4870 where being produced as early as May, but when/if they'll be released is up in the air. By the looks of it, the mobile 3870 is gonna be a vapor release I bet.

 

I am just guessing here, but I believe they are going to wait and see how well the 3870 goes over with the laptop gaming crowd before they start pushing the 48xx series out. I am hoping they do well in light of nVidia's recent bumble.

 

[hope mode]Well, if the bug story holds any truth, could it be that the 3870 will be dropped before introduction and the new 4850 will take it's place?[/hope mode]

 

how about if the defective nvidia chip story holds any truth, the 9800m gtx will be dropped and the new GT280M will take its place?

 

What would nvidia gain from that? they already sold the chips... And besides that, there is nothing wrong with the chip/pcb design, so why would they switch to a new design when they can probably switch materials (like they just did recently, which fueled rumors again).

 

same question to you. what would ati gain from that? they already sold the 3870 chips. furthermore, there is nothing wrong with the chips either, it just the compatible issues with clevo machines.

 

4850 is a high end card as to mid range 3870

 

Did they sell a lot of 3870s then? because I can't seem to find many... At least not in the wild...
Ati would gain a new pretty decent customer and could potentially benefit from the worries amongst potential nvidia customers, so I would think it would be in their best interest to launch a high end gaming product that works trouble free, not?

Actually, both are high end cards, as can be seen from the desktop versions (the 4xxx series is a design evolution of the 3xxx series). The first number simply denotes the generation (R700 in the case of the 4xxx cards).

 

I sign the the hope mode. It's about time for real high-end GPUs for notebooks. I remember the year 2003/4 when mobile GPUs were comparable to desktop GPUs. Current "High End" mobile GPUs are still midranges... and the "old" Ati mobility 3XXX series is not attractive anymore IMO.

I hope they skip the 3870 mobility in laptops and prepare the 4850 instead; MSI offers the laptop GT735 with the slower 3850 mobility however - a benchmark test showed only 6114 points in 3DMark06. Not very convincing - though the gpu is downclocked, while the mobility 3870 is not. Still you get the feeling of buying "old technology".

 

man, i hate more waiting for the next best thing.... i suppose the ATI has support for DX10.1, in cross fire should be better than "i dont when 9800GTX SLI" released...just guessing, also guessing should be CHEAPER...

 

yes, they should have both 3870 and 4850 on the market at the same time, and have 4850 a lot higher priced, I think this would make better marketing sense. Because if they do that they would have a huge advantage over nVidia and gain favor of the high end gaming community. This would help them in a long run againt nVidia.

 

Let me repeat it, nvidia is the one selling defective gpu, not ati. please reread last few posts.

 

ATi may end up giving up on the 3870 and released a crippled R700 badged as the 3870. Take a leaf out of nVidia's book.

 

I didn't say it was defected did I? Please reread the last few posts.

Back on topic: the card doesn't seem to be trouble free either, as you allready know: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=276417

My point being: working those compatibility issues out with Clevo sounds like a win/win situation for both. The hope part was that they would do so by switching to the 4xxx series of cards. About the amount of cards sold to Clevo, that can't be a huge amount if they so easily offer to replace them by nvidia cards.

 

you certainly did.

 

He's talking about how the HD3870 was pulled from Clevo machines because they have bug issues.

 

if you look at post #20, he implied that nvidia is "trouble free", which in fact, they are defective.

 

Sigh... you really do need to learn to read! I certainly did NOT imply nvidia is trouble free, actually quite the opposite! I said (and will once again) that the current doubt about the quality of high end nvidia products looks like a good opportunity for ati to sell their high end products. But to sell their high end products they need to solve the compatibility issues asap.

 

But one thing you probably don't know, is that the compatibility issue is due to Clevo, not ATI.

 

You are correct, I didn't know who was to blame, I merely tried to point out that it would be in the interest of ati to work with them to solve it.

 

A mobile HD4850 with Crossfire capabilites...on a notebook...that would be great!

 

Then why isn't the HD3870 cropping up elsewhere?

Hm. It's kind of disappointing how far behind ATi has fallen. I remember the days when the Mobility Radeon 9700 was pure pwn and then everyone got excited when the MR9800 was announced even though it was a portable cooker.

The best nV had was like the Geforce Go440 or something.

 

hey, i got a Mobility Radeon 9700, I guess I got a little piece of history right here.

Was this card really the king of kings card?

 

I got Mobility Radeon 9200 and it was the king

 

me too ive got the radeon 9700, still going good until today...

 

If I'm not mistaken the Mobility Radeon 9700 is actually based on the Radeon 9600 XT desktop gpu, and it came out to the market at a good time.

I'm glad I got laptop with a Mobility Radeon 9700, cus it's still a good GPU today.

 

Indeed, the 9700 was a higher clocked 9600 chip, at the time very good performance (had to lappies with that chip, they did great as FireGL T2e as well!)

 

mhm, me too has a mobile athlon64+9700 mobility. Though the gpu is getting weak now and new games only work in very low settings. About time for a new Mobility 9700.. let's say the 4850 Mobility <3

 

Hey, I had a mobility radeon 7500 (Pentium 4m @1.4) and it was a great card. It remained my main system till winter of 2005. (from summer of 2002). Only problems started appearing when many games started requiring pixel shaders

BTW, isn't MXM an Nvidia thing only? I mean, only Nvidia cards can/do use it. So, you couldn't just replace a, say 9800GT with a XXXX ATI model anyway, right?

 

If MXM were nVIDIA-only, how then would the mobility HD3870 have even been transiently offered with the M860TU without a mobo swap? I don't know the answer for sure, but this alone makes me think that ATi mobility cards would indeed be supported (solely in terms of the MXM slot type) in machines that support the 9800M GT. I just hope that the power consumption is less than or equal to the 9800M GT; if it isn't, I doubt it would be offered in the M860TU (but possibly in the M570TU).

If the NP8660 later offers one, I might strongly consider upgrading depending on the performance advantage.

 

Eh, the 4850 will most certainly be of similar power consumption to the GTX.

 

How do you know? Did you get your flux capacitor out of the closet, dust it off, toss it into a Delorean, and travel "back to the future" to find out (and grab a sports almanac to make some spare change on the side )

 

And I thought remember hearing the MXM slot the mobile 4850 is gonna use is rated at a max of 35w...

 

@ kitsune

Gophn speculated about this in a the Gaming forum about this after observing an image of the card. I forget exactly what caused him to deduce this, but he knows far more than me about this stuff, so I'm inclined to trust him.

It would be pretty sick to be able to toss a mobility 4850 (or 4870) down the road into a Sager laptop currently with a 9800M GT, eh?

 

Has purchasing MXM modules on it's gotten easier these days. Last time i checked the 8800GTX was something like $500USD plus and it was always out of stock.

 

Even if it was "only" the same power as the 9800m GTX there is hope that the configuration would be much cheaper than with Nvidia (at least I hope so, since ATI is always cheaper).

 

are any of the companys /resellers talking about a possible release date????

 

I have read Q3 2009, but I have also read that this timeframe would be unrealistic since the mobility HD3870 hasn't even been released yet. Some have speculated ATi will drop the mobility HD3870 and skip it in favor of the mobility 4850, but there are many notebook manufacturers offering it as a configuration option, so it will probably appear on the market.