About to get a clevo but..

Hey all.
So let's start with the fact that I live in Germany, not in the US.
I have had an ASUS Gl502VS -this is the gtx 1070 one- and I returned it for refund about a month ago after trying 2 units for around a month, due to "extreme" over heating "it couldn't handle a stress test fur+prim95 for more than few seconds".
However, after re-evaluating my options, I found that clevo is probably the most efficient way to go in terms of cost/performance ratio.
Now, the model im looking at is the p650 with the gtx 1060 or 1070 (1060 = 1300 Euro, 1070 = 1550 euro) "or so".
Two things I need to ask you guys about:
1. the reseller in germany. I know there's a thread already for that. I checked it.
The reseller im looking at is ONE.de, it is listed there.
However, online there're negative reviews about it "they are 2 or more years old though" and it's not part of the e-trusted shops that is very common here in Germany. It accepts paypal though.
Has anyone had any experience with those guys before ?
For example the refund thing if this model sucks ? or the thermal paste they use "they have no options regarding that".

2. The price different between the 1060 and 1070 is not negligible for me. ONE doesn't offer any students discounts too. however, i'm not sure if the 1070 actually worth it for a 1080p screen with 60Hz refresh rate.

Note: I pointed to ONE.de since they offer significantly lower prices than others, and that tempts me though it creeps me out after my experience with ASUS "stay away from that GL502VS btw, it's garbage".
Cheers.

 

I'd go with the 1070

Also, check the Reseller Feedback Forum

 

Actually I did, odd enough found 0 feedback there about this reseller.
I even reached the era where people were talking about the gtx 6xx.

 

I got the 1070 variant previously from different reseller of course, never looked back ever since.

Would advise against getting the Killer card for WLAN though because whether yours will work relies on a lot on your luck even if you install only the drivers that does not come with the suite.

Considering the above mentioned about the Killer card and if you do take me up on my advice, maybe you can try looking for a different reseller that offers at least a Intel 8260.

Good luck and hope you get your desired rig soon

 

Thank you for your wish
About the 1070, my only concern is about it being an overkill for 1080p gaming.
as for the wifi card, ya im not going with the killer variant, my old laptop has the killer network card "MSI" and it didn't make a huge difference for me anyway "it's also cheap, like 20 euros, so really not a deal breaker".
The issue with the reseller, the most rep. one in Germany is mysn.de , but they are quiet expensive compared to one.de like 200 euros or more difference.

 

Mysn are not worth that much more.. Have you tried CEG? They are in germany too and should be cheaper then mySn and more reputable then one.de.. They are very fast, my laptop was delivered by them before MySn even gave a quote...

https://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/

Or @clevo-extreme here on NBR..

 

Being an English language forum the feedback is limited for counties with a different native language.

 

Ya i agree, but it's still the main forum for clevo in general.
There're not really that much info out there about clevo online.
not even decent reviews rather than feedback about resellers.

thoug i checked the feedback forum, and CEG is really not a good option atm.

 

Have you had a look at UK sellers? The pound being low might make the price comparable (i've not checked personally).

 

I actually haven't, guess i should, though from what i have read so far, people in the UK are ordering from Germany. "a feeling got from reading through the feedback forum".

Still I will check, thanks for the idea

 

I would like to point out that there are options such as 1080p 120Hz screens if you look at the right resellers.

Also, in so far as you may consider the gtx1070 variant as an overkill for 1080p gaming, it has definitely more potential in the long run for future games than the gtx1060 one unless you are only looking for a temporary gaming laptop.

 

Regarding point 2, that was a big issue I had and I mentioned on my YouTube review.

However, I'm super excited to see that Sager now has options for 120Hz G-Sync panels that are shipping at the end of this month. I wish I could go back in time and wait, but oh well...

 

Not really looking for a temp. laptop. Meh, the problem is always how high gtx 1070 notebooks prices are. Especially with no real discounts here in Germany "you gotta pay at least 1700 euros to get a gtx 1070 here unless you wanna go with the ASUS GL502VS, like i did".

I watched your reviews, good work btw.
But ya it's really a hard decision to make
Especially with the very few info available about clevo in general.

 

Xotic have some videos of a few units

 

I have bought my x7200 from ONE.de and I would never in my whole life recommend them to anyone. If you never encounter any problems with your notebook ONE.de would be a nice choice as they are cheaper than the competition, but you are completely screwed if your Notebook has an issue. Their RMA and customer service is terrible. The reason why it sucks is they outsource RMA to "Goldenstar", a Clevo-repair company in Germany. Communication is literally impossible, and if you ask them by E-Mail for updates on your RMA ONE.de often have no idea themselves what the actual status is. I sent my notebook in for a simple screen replacement and they needed over 6 weeks to send it back (I actually threatened them to open a lawsuit as they were not responding to my E-Mails asking for the RMA status. After my registered letter with the threat arrived in their office, the notebook was sent back 4 days later.)

If you are looking for a affordable alternative close to your location (Germany), I would recommend DreamMachines.pl (also a Prema-Partner). Unlike ONE.de they have excellent customer service and their E-Mail communication is a delight to deal with. MySN.de (Schenker, XMG) is a bit more pricy, but another great reseller as they resolve their RMA cases in their own company and do not outsource any repair process. After my RMA experience with ONE.de, I abandoned them (even during my 2 year guarantee period) and sent my x7200 to MySN.de for an upgrade. They worked on my RMA within a week and I had it back in my hands 13 days after sending it, plus they cleaned the exterior and interior... even though I did not purchase the notebook from them.

TL;DR
Don't go with ONE.de, if you need an affordable alternative go with dreammachines.pl and if you can pay a bit extra for excellent German-based customer service go with MySN.de.

 

Thanks for your feedback, and sorry about the horrible experience you went through
I wont go with them cause I had a funny story with them yesterday.
So it was a blackfriday thing at their website "they had 10% off with a coupon". So i was just checking out the prices after the drops putting stuff in my shopping basket, however, i found a bug in their coupon system that could allow people to buy stuff with 30% off or even more. So I felt sorry for them since they are a small company and wanted to let them know about the bug, before anyone uses it.
I spent 3 hours waiting on "LIVE" chat, then i went to facebook, sent them there, then i emailed them !!
still got no answer till now "LOL".

 

Ha, then you already shared my experience. Oh well.

 

Metallica_K,

How is the hunt for a laptop coming along? Are you narrowing down any choices?

 

Well, after excluding one.de as an option, due to the current condition of their service "it's non-existant". Clevo is back to being as expensive as anything else.
Now as a "wish-list":
1. MSI GT62VR "this is the coolest notebook i have read about so far, and i like MSI" this one is expensive too.
2. Clevo P650 with the gtx 1070, not so sure about it yet, the thermals is a real concern.
3. AW, now here it becomes tricky. the AW price is not THAT high compared to others, actually it's the same price as clevo p650 from mysn.de. It has def. the best build quality and best design IMO. However, the new series of AW has a problem with the heat "a real problem". so if they managed to solve this, AW is a really good option. It has the amplifier adapter +TB3, has awesome support too "well, awesome compared to others of course".

Anyway, so far i haven't seen a deal that you can actually go for blindly. all discounts are worthless basically. AW offered 12% for the black week, while they offer 10% the whole year "2% more" , meh.
MSI no discounts. absolutely no discounts "which is weird".
so ya, it's going, not that well

 

Regarding #2, what are your concerns? Also, my apologies but did you mention a price max and country you're purchasing from?

 

Well, my concerns are the following:
1. I have no idea how good the logistics are with clevo. I mean if you got a problem with an MSI for an example, you can always contact their tech support. with clevo you are constrained with the reseller, which is obv. a big risk after reading.
2. The thermal design is yet not so clear to me. I mean as i said earlier, i refuneded an ASUS GL502vs, just for thermal performance honestly. 90C with battlefield 1 is not ok with me, it shouldn't be ok with anyone actually. Especially with the gtx 1070, this card is kinda hot and requires a solid thermal solution.
3. When comparing clevo to other brands, I can't see the competitive edge honestly "except when compared to ASUS".
From what i have seen so far in Germany at least. The prices of Clevos are either higher than or the same as AW or MSI -if you buy the clevo from a safe place like mysn.de

So yeah, unless I get a better performance/price ratio for the clevo, i can't really see a reason for me to go with the clevo and not MSI or AW.

Oh and for the location, it's Germany. for the price, the lower the better, I was aiming to 1500 Euros or lower, maybe 1600 max if it's an awesome deal or something.

 

I see what you're getting at.

The thermals aren't properly represented in my video. I'll humbly admit that. That video I did was done using the "automatic" fan profile which was designed to be acoustically pleasing rather than efficient. Unfortunately, the developer that created fan profile settings in BIOS/Software didn't allow 100% of fan speed once at thermal threshold and I assumed that it did. My mistake.

Using the maximum fan profile trimmed 17C of combined temperature. The 1070 average 75C and the CPU averages 77C. Much better right?

Unfortunately that profile just runs it at 100% all the time so you have to go into CC software and put it back on automatic when you're done. I've heard there are better P650 BIOS out there that address this very issue, but I'm hesitant to try anything that isn't from Sager.

I attached a screenshot for you.

 

wow, that is impressive.
Do you by any chance have BF1 ? if so it would be awesome to report the CPU temps for it.
I chose BF1 since it's at this time the most reliable way to stress the CPU/GPU combination in a realistic way. On my old ASUS i was getting low 90s as maximum then the CPU throttles to get it down to mid 80s on average.
For reference, the GT62VR temps on BF1 are around 70s if i recall correctly.
Oh and thanks man, really appreciate it. the internet is a cool place because of people like you

 

That recording was from BF1. Since i reported temps on BF1 in my video from automatic profile, I went back and did them again in BF1 with maximum fan profile.

No problem at all.

 

Then that's really really good.
both AW and ASUS are reporting high 80s "at least". Some AW machines are reaching high 90s.
i'm just surprised. Expected this machine to run much hotter than this "considering the not so thick design".
Thanks alot again.

 

You should take a look at dreammachines.pl as they are priced almost the same as ONE.de. You can pay in euros although it is a polish site. They are one of the few European Prema-Partners, so make sure to get the Prema BIOS and VBIOS should you go with them.

 

I agree, BF1 is a good stress test but Asus has horrible stock paste.. You have to repaste the CPU and GPU in it to get any worthwhile temps...

With the Clevo P650, you'll be fine temps wise.. Its just about thick enough with proper cooling system so as long as thermal paste is properly applied, you'll be fine..

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Just wait a little bit and order Alienware, you can have 12% discount from Germany Sales Department.

CEG-Hardcorecustom 》Fastest Gaming Clevo Notebooks & High-End Mobile Workstations 《

 

Repaste on an ASUS? I don't know how things go in the UK and USA but in Dubai, if you open your laptop, a seal gets broken, even if you want to do something as simple as upgrading RAM or an HDD/SSD, say goodbye to your warranty!

It's your laptop, yeah, but you can't tinker with it

@Papusan

 

I will fix it for you " Some AW machines are reaching Thermal shutdown". Aka +100c

 

The Dell rep on their forums said they can't fix the current laptops with a 1070 or 1080 GTX but it will be fixed soon in the 1080 GTX version of the laptop. So basically the people with these machines........Dell tells them, deal with it as they don't have any fix for this poor thermal management / cooling

 

Only a 100% return of all the machines is acceptable. Thereafter Grab your money and jump the sinking ship!! And never return. Don't see you back!!

 

I will take a look at it, how is their service ? I mean if it's not so much better than ONE.de there's no reason to go abroad, at least here i can sue them

ya, that game is odd, though they made some pretty serious optimization. I can run it on my GTX850m which is awesome
And ya, im ok with repasting and all if it's ok with the warranty. I couldn't do that with my ASUS due to the warranty issues.

Im actually waiting both ways, I will see if AW will solve the thermal issues they are having now. And thanks for passing by, always good to see people from resellers / manufacturers making contact with us the public xD.

Ya, i couldn't do that with the ASUS. It depends on the brand really, not the country. with ASUS I wasn't even "allowed" to downvolt the processor "I know there's no way to check that but im referring to the policy". Oh and I'm also not a big fan of downvolting since it always compromises a small portion of performance "I tested that".

LOL, ya I didn't refer to the thermal shutdowns cause i wanted to be on the safe side and assumed those are "few" faulty units.
But ya in general you are right, I read horror stories about the AW lately, more specific the 15 inc model. It's like AW is one stop away from making a laptop that can chock you at night while you are asleep.

 

Maybe next AW laptop will become a pure Dell machine. With the Dell logo but with the familiar AW skull in addition Like the picture @Phoenix @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix @TBoneSan +++

 

Sorry, I have no experience yet. Judging from the E-Mail communication though, they seem quite professional and know their stuff. Craig even offered to special order a P775DM3 with a 120hz 1440p from Clevo directly for me, which the German resellers couldn't.

 

We have too, you didnt ask and everything is available.

CEG-Hardcorecustom 》Fastest Gaming Clevo Notebooks & High-End Mobile Workstations 《

 

The 1440p 120Hz panel in the P775DM3 is a standard option, doesn't need a special order - or I guess you mean if they don't have stock already?

 

Well i'm waiting for my custom order from Dream Machines. The best thing is that they are Prema partner so BIOS freedom for everyone in EU!

 

oh nice, I never knew that there is a EU Prema Partner! Excellent! No Prema BIOS = no fr33d0m!