Advice/Opinions on Clevo/Sager Resellers? May order Sager NP9570 / Clevo P570WM, System advice/opinions?

Ok, so I think my Clevo X7200 just died
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/728401-x7200-wont-power.html

I wanted to wait until early-mid 2014 before I replaced it when I got home from deployment. Now with it dead I'm not so sure I can wait. Here are some configurations I have put together of the Sager NP9570 / Clevo P570WM. I wanted to get the Sager NP9570 / Clevo P570WM successor, or next gen. But May have to buy now. I picked the 120Hz display on all configurations because I have a glossy 90% gamut display in my X7200. I figure if the 120Hz isn't to my liking I can swap my 90% glossy display. I also went with only 8GB RAM because I have RAM in my X7200 that I can use in the NP9570 / P570WM. Same goes with HDDs/SSDs, Optical Drive HDD, and extra power adaptors.

While the RAM in my X7200 is 1333MHz, I doubt I see much differance between that and faster RAM. I know the NP9570 / P570WM is capable of SATA III, but at the moment I don't want to spend on new HDDs, the ones I have are perfectly good, have all my info, and just easier to keep and swap. The way I see it, I can get the new system and simply swap in my SSDs/HDDs in, install any new drivers, and away I go.

While I'd like to have Win 7 Ult, I already have HDDs with Win 7 Pro. The Win 7 Pro isn't tied to the Computer either. So I may be able to shave some money off the subtotal price for the systems but not purchasing an OS, and just using the HDDs I have with the OS.

Another thing I would like to hear about, is this from XOTIC PC
COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatsink/Heatpipes (XPC Service - requires shipment to XOTIC PC: will add to build time) ( + 79 )

Does this actually help with the heat from the 150WCPU?

The main reason I wanted to wait, was in hopes that the next gen system wouldn't have the CPU heat disipation issues that I've read about concerning the NP9570 / Clevo P570WM. Are the heat issues still an issue??

So any suggestions on how I should pursue? I would lean toward XOTIC PC if the Copper Cooling upgrade actually would help with the 150W heat from the CPU. Otherwise, I'm leaning toward LPC Digital in terms of customer service. I also really like the backlit chiklet keyboard that mythlogic offers.

My wish list.
CPU - 3970X
GPU 2x780M
Best Price
Customer Service/Warranty I can count on.

XOTICPC

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Sager NP9570 / Clevo P570WM
- SAGER Summer Sale!!! - $50 OFF When you spend $1350.00* or more per system! (*excludes non-sager parts, accessories, shipping, & taxes)
- FREE!!! – U.S. UPS GROUND SHIPPING (Use Coupon Code "FREESHIP" in Checkout) [U.S. Lower 48 ONLY / Restrictions Apply]
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 120Hz "MatteType" 72% NTSC Color Gamut Sager Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - S1D556)
- Standard No Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-3970X Extreme, 3.5-4.0GHz (32nm, 15MB L3 smart cache - 6 cores / 12 threads) (SKU - S2N124)
- Stock OEM Thermal Compound
- SLI (2x) - NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 780M (8,192MB) PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 [User Upgradeable] (SKU – SGC305)
- COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatsink/Heatpipes (XPC Service - requires shipment to XOTIC PC: will add to build time)
- 8GB - DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) - SPECIAL! (SKU - S4T424M)
- Standard Laptop Finish
- 750GB 7200RPM [Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache] - Default (SKU - S5T306)
- Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive w/ Software (When selecting a Hard Drive in the Optical Bay, No Optical Drive is Included) (SKU - S7R455)
- Sager - Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1202 + Bluetooth 4.0 (Dual Band) (SKU – S8R008)
- Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- ~Windows 7 Ultimate Premium 64-Bit (64&32-Bit CD Included) $205
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Technical Support (Labor through XPC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Parts Warranty Repairs (SKU - X9R009)
- * 24/7 LIFETIME U.S. based technical support
* Extreme QA testing by dedicated technicians
* 24-72 Hour stress testing and benchmarking to ensure top performance and stability


Sub-Total: $4,033.00

Sagernotebooks.com

Spoiler

Display 17.3" 120Hz Full HD Display featuring 72% NTSC Color Gamut in Matte Finished screen (1920 x 1080)
Video & Graphics Card Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M GPU with 4GB GDDR5 Video Memory in SLI Mode [$950.00]
CPU Processor 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3970X Processor Extreme Edition ( 15MB L3 Cache, 3.50GHz / 4.0GHz in Turbo Mode, 6 Cores ) [$795.00]
Thermal Compound Stock Standard Thermal Compound
Operating System Genuine MS Windows® 7 Ultimate 32/64-Bit Edition ( 64-Bit Preloaded ) [$125.00]
Memory 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 2 X 4GB
Hard Disk Drive 1 750GB 7200rpm SATA2 Hard Drive
Optical Drive Bay — Optical Drive or Hard Disk Drive in Optical Drive Bay with Caddy case 8X DVD±R/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Wireless Network Card Killer™ Wireless-N 1202 802.11 A/B/G/N Wireless LAN + Bluetooth 4.0 Combo Module [$50.00]
Primary Battery Smart Li-ION Battery Pack
Integrated Security Device Fingerprint Reader
Microsoft Office Microsoft Office 2013 Trial - Included in Price
Warranty Sager 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty

Sub Total: $4,019.00
Promotion Discount: -$50.00
Sales Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $0.00
Total: $3,969.00

Sub-Total $3,969.00

Powernotebooks.com

Spoiler

Sager $50 OFF on orders of $1,350+
Special Promotion - $50 OFF - For Orders of $1,350+ (excluding Rush Order fee, Laser Tattoos, KingsCrypt, External Devices, Taxes and Shipping charges.) $-50.00
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz 72% NTSC Color Gamut Matte LED-Backlit Display (Model LP173WF2 (TP)(B1))
Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 256bit w/4.0GB GDDR5 in SLi $950.00
Intel® Core™ i7-3970X Processor (3.5~4.0GHz) Extreme Edition - 15MB Intel SmartCache - 6 Cores-12 Threads $795.00
Sager Thermal Compound Standard
8GB (2x4GB) DDR3/1600 Dual Channel Memory Standard
750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive Standard
Combo Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares Standard
External USB
9-in-1 Memory Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/SD/Mini‐SD/SDHC/SDXC)
Bigfoot Networks Killer Wireless-N 1202 + Bluetooth™ 4.0 Combo Card $50.00
Windows 7 Ultimate - (64-Bit installed - 64 and 32-bit CD included) $205.00
Branding - Sager Logo
1-Year Parts and Shipping plus Lifetime Labor and 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Support (Labor & Support paid by PNB) Standard


As Configured: $ 3969.00
3% Cash Discount: $ 119.07
3% Cash Discounted Price: $ 3849.93

Mythlogic
Offers a backlit chiklet keyboard, but no 3970X, only the 3960X.

Spoiler

MYTHLOGIC Nyx 5713 (Clevo P570WM)
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz Matte, 72% Color Gamut (nVIDIA Graphics Only) (5713)
Free MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration
Intel Core i7-3960X 3.30GHz, 2133MHz DDR3, 15MB Cache, Hex Core ProcessorFree IC Diamond Thermal Compound
8GB (4 x 2GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM Quad-core+ processors ONLY!
2 x NVIDIA GTX 780M 4096MB GDDR5 DX11 Compliant Video Cards
Notebook Black 8X DVD+RW/CDRW Combo Drive
320GB 7200 16MB Cache SATA Notebook Hard Drive
Backlit Chiclet Keyboard - English Only
Integrated Webcam
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
KILLER WirelessN 1202 - Designed for the best wireless gaming, HD video and audio experience
Integrated Bluetooth 4.0 Only With Intel 2230/6235/7260 AND Killer 1202 Wireless
Windows 7 Ultimate
MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 1 Year Parts Warranty, 1 Yr 2-Way Shipping Cont US
Accidental coverage and Insurance
Full accidental laptop coverage and insurance - US Only (Custom Quoted based on System Price)
MYTH Mousepad and System Media
Total Price:$4,191.29

AVADirect - Unfortunately, no option for crossfire without getting the extra PSU (Which I don't need, so it drives the price up.

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CLEVO P570WM Core i7 Notebook Barebone, Intel® X79, 17.3" Full HD LED Matte 72% NTSC Color Gamut, PCIe x16 MXM-III Discrete Graphics
INTEL Core i7-3970X Extreme Six-Core, 3.5 - 4.0GHz TB, LGA2011, 15MB L3 Cache, HT EM64T EIST VT XD, 32nm, 150W, Retail w/o Fan
NVIDIA 2 x GeForce® GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5 Mobile Graphics Card for P570WM w/ 2nd AC Adapter and Converter Box, SLI Configuration
CRUCIAL 8GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz SDRAM SODIMM, CL9, Non-ECC
SEAGATE 750GB Momentus®, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, OEM
NONE No Additional SATA Hard Drive (Optical bay hard drive caddy required)
NONE No Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy (Required for additional HDD installation)
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
CLEVO Dual Layer Super-Multi DVD±RW Optical Drive for Clevo P570WM
NETWORK Built-in 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet LAN Card
VISIONTEK Killer™ Wireless-N 1202 Wireless Card, IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, 11/54/300 Mbps, Internal PCIe Half Mini Card
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Edition w/ SP1, OEM w/ Media
WARRANTY Standard 1 Year Warranty for Clevo Notebooks

SUBTOTAL: $4232.35

LPC Digital - Have worked with Larry in the past, great guy. Infact the SSDs I have and the Killer 1103 I had, I got from him.

Spoiler

17.3" Full HD LED 120Hz 72% NTSC Color Gamut (1920 x 1080) Matte Type
Standard Thermal Compound
Intel® Core™ i7-3970X Processor Extreme Edition (15M Cache, up to 4.00 GHz) $795.00
Dual NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 780M 8GB Total GDDR5 SLI® Enabled ( One PSU Only) $950.00
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 2 X 4GB
Remove All Branding
Genuine MS Windows® 7 Professional 32/64-Bit Edition ( 64-Bit Preloaded ) $155.00
750GB 7200rpm SATA 300 Hard Drive
8X DVD±R/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Killer™ Wireless-N 1202 with Bluetooth 4.0 (Dual Band) $50.00
LIFETIME Limited Labor and 1 Year Premium** Parts Warranty

Subtotal:$3,969.00
Order discount:$119.07
Total cost: $3,849.93

 

I vote for Mythlogic simply because their customer support is top notch. They're the most hassle-free I've ever dealt with personally as well as for my work.

 

Thanks! I'll have to call them and see if they can put a 3970X in it for me.

I'd also like to see a pic of the stock cooling vs the Cooling upgrade by Xotic PC if anyone has one.


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If that's the $70 upgrade (or something like that), it has already been revealed in these forums as a "rip-off". The copper heatsinks can be bought for a few cents and applied easily by yourself.

 

Thanks for that. Was wondering how an upgraded got heating could only be $70. And if that cheap, how much more effective could it actually be.


Right now off the bat it looks like LPC Digital and Power Notebooks are the cheapest, but Mythological has a great review. I'll have to PM Larry later and see if he can hook me up with a back-lit keyboard. That's one feature I missed about trading my Alienate M17x R2 for the X7200.


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Good luck whichever boutique you decide to go with!

 

I'd definitely go with Mythlogic. Free monitor calibration, free IC Diamond, and great support. With such an expensive machine, I bet they'd be happy to toss in a 3970X, and even run a few benchmarks for you before sending it out.

 

Awesome guys. Thanks I'll be sending some of the resellers emails and see if they can be configured to my specs vs whats available on the site.

Ok, so now my biggest decision is whether to get the i7 2970X, or the i7 3930K. 3930K being a 130W TDP CPU genetrates less heat, allowing it to be overclocked higher and for longer sustainted periods. The 3970X seems like a huge beast of a CPU, which gets my attention, but if I can't use it to it's potiential, then there isn't much point. Most of what I do is video encoding, gaming, Folding@home, and benchmarking,

It seems like the 3930K is about as "XM" as the system can handle. Generally when getting a CPU, I tend to go with the most extreme CPU, but in this case it sounds like the 3970X is in fact a worse CPU for the system. Yet hard to resist for me lol.

Is there anyone with a 3970X that doesn't have heat issues? Given the choice, what would you go for? 3970X, or 3930K?

 

Get a cheap CPU now and save for IVY-E.

 

Ivy-E will work in the system? I had heard that but I'm used to the mobile CPU world where your stuck with one generation. That's definitely a great idea. Hopefully Ivy-E offers a lower TDP.

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It is a lot lower power consumption, early tests show it was practically made for this system.

 

Sands awesome.

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From a VR article quoting the toms hardware tests.

 

That makes the decision a lot easier!

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I thought it might lol.

 

I'm inclined to give an "outfield" idea. Get the NP9570, however for the TIME being, get the cheapest CPU you can get (ie: the i7-3820). I know it's "only a quadcore", but that money you save, can be put away towards a 4930K or 4960X. With the improved (somewhat) architecture, you'll be able to use the cores more efficiently for folding@home. As far as offering the dual Power Supplies, I'm not sure what your situation is at the moment, however the reason duals are offered is because of the sheer power consumption the X79 / X99 mobo is going to need. 130w for the PSU plus 120w for the GPU plus another who knows what for the RAM, SSD(s), ODD, monitor, etc., is NOT going to play well with one 300w PSU. And I say that even though other "extreme benchers" have been able to tap upwards of 400w from the NP9570's PSU. It's better to have tons of extra headroom, than to go "oh no" when things throttle / shut off to prevent overload.

I do wonder though, why you are going with the Killer cards over Intel. Personally, every laptop that I've owned with an Intel WiFi card has given me no problems, be it in gaming or an academic environment. Also, the 7260 combines a ridiculous amount of antennae power with bluetooth (if you use such a thing). Also, as for resellers, I'm a powernotebooks guy all the way. Top flight service (I once got an email from Donald at 2am, LAS VEGAS time, ensuring me of the progress of a laptop in progress, I was floored and amazed that my small order merited such a response), and also because I'm OCD, their patience is nothing short of amazing. Granted they may not over "in-house redlining, copper-cooling chippies, etc.," but I cannot find fault in their methodologies, just a good, small, efficient, well-run, all-american company that makes this thrice-bought customer VERY happy.

Jason

 

I had a Killer 1103, and it worked well. I really have nothing against the Intel cards. Right now I'm using the N6300. I may just drop that and go Intel to save a few bucks. I do however use blue tooth. Is there any advantage from one card (Killer/Intel) over the other?

As far as dual PSUs, I already have dual PSUs for the X7200. So if I ordered, I'd have 3.

I'm hoping I can bench/test the 580s in the P570WM, just to verify that they work. Then I'll be selling/parting out the X7200.
It has a new 90% gamut gloss screen on it (2months old) which I figure if I don't like the 120Hz screen, I can swap the screen.
Definitely some great ideas though!


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The 120hz screen uses a different cable so watch that. It wont dissapoint though.

 

PSU: 1 is enough then if you plan on recycling one from the X7200.

As far as benching the 580m's in the new rig, I don't know, that I'd say is up to Clevo / Sager / Resellers with custom BIOSes to determine.

The 7260, according to This article is pretty much top of the heap in terms of range, speed, latency, etc., That's why I said to go for it. It also has Bluetooth.

Jason

 

Any kind of proper overclocking of a pair of 780M cards would need 2 PSUs.

You may want to avoid pairing up non symmetric adapters though (the new models ship with 330W bricks IIRC).

 

Ahh, Ok. I have 2 300w adaptors, think that would be Ok? I have two identical adaptors and the piece to plug both into and then plug into the system. Y adapter thing.

Also what screen is better? 120Hz 72% gamut or the gloss 60Hz 90% gamut? Right now I think I have to 92% gamut screen on the X7200. Something like that. It's a great screen.


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Opps, meant benching the 485M in the P570WM.

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