Alright its fact now - 8800 Series GPU'S are defective - what does that mean for us with 9800GT?

I know it's too close to call right now because we haven't gotten our laptops yet (M860TU's) but - what does this mean for us?

If 8800gtx in the m15x is finally dubbed defective - isn't the 9800gt just another 8800gtx?

Nobody has these laptops yet but even still - the possibility is that the lifespan of the gpu would be seriously affected if this applied to the 9800gt irrespective of whether it initially overheated or not. If invidia is just making defective high end gpu's as the article insinuates ... doesn't give us much of an option for high end graphics.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4554

 

The 8800GTXs have been around awhile. It must be a bad batch, hopefully (for me), that batch wasn't made in your batch

From what I've read, it sounds like the problem is basically overheating issues, eh?

 

i think they said that the failure is due to thermal cycling weakening the die from the packaging. that means that the gpu and the board will become seperated over time? o.0

 

Is 9600 gt mobile affected? And what would happen IF nvidia makes a official statement that ALL gpus is affected, can you return your sager with that gpu even if it isn't broken yet?

 

I heard the website that reported it just has a beef with Nvidia, so I'm sure if one or two chips failed, they'd say it was all of them. Apparently, they crossed nVidia's NDA multiple times and nVidia doesnt give them prerelease chips or something now.

I guess the proof lies in our forumites who have had the 8800M GTX. How long have you had it and how many of you have had them failed?

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I just placed a order with PoweNotebooks for the NP 9262 with 9800m GT in SLI.TODAY.
They did not say there are any problems with the graphic cards only getting drivers for them.
I hope that that does not affect the 9800M GT's.
Anybody out there with dual 9800M GT's in SLI have any problems so far?
DavidtheDuke do you have any problems with your laptop because that's pretty much what I ordered, except I ordered 3 HD's in Raid 5.

 

Well I guess we won't see until we test it in these new 9XXX series gpu's. So - what - is buying a highend gpu nowadays like playing the lottery?

I think i'm just gonna cancel my pre-order and go desktop!

 

Notice how they mentioned the m15x, and not say the m1730 from dell. THe 8800m gtx in the m15x fail because the laptop design fails to keep them cool enough. Since when do manufacturers release bios that undervolt the cpu because it runs to hot at stock =/. Justin already said that the 8800m gtx has not had a high failure rate like what people with the g84 g86 people have.

 

OK, Let me play worse case scenario and say our 8800mGTX/9800mGT overheats and dies in our clevos.

What recourse do we have?

Will nvidia replace our defective cards or would sager help us out?

Justin? Paladin44?

 

This seems to be a bit of hoo-hah when I think about it. Why would Sager release their laptops 9800GT knowing it might fail in a few weeks if not sooner, but retract the SSDs? You know they'd be spending truckloads in warranty. I think it's mainly a crappy cooling system by various chassis designs.

Anyway, my 9262 is getting here tommorow, so I'll post temps and my experience anyway

 

Nah man, you don't want to cancel. What if its just Inquirer blowing hot air? You'd slap yourself silly for cancelling the great deal you got on this laptop. Plus, if its really defective, PCMW has full right to take it back from you, money back or replacement.

 

Do you think Clevo knows this and that's why they spent so much time tweaking the cooling?

Someone posted this before, but if it's a heat-cycling issue then the way to prolong the life of your card is to reduce heat-cycling by warming up your GPU before launching into a game and then letting it cool down slowly instead of turning it right off when you're done.

I'm sure any talented coder could write an algorithm for the fan to do just that to prevent huge variations in core temps, but then again there's only one fan...

 

yeah cooling is the major factor - let's just hope the m860tu has the ability to cool itself properly. large fan or not - that's a lot of heat. Especially when i'll be running a T9600 + 9800GT with slight overclock.

lol - yeah bro i'm not gonna cancel - we've come too far! waited so long!
Man I want your BR-RW drive soo badly! Great config.

 

I heard the delay in shipping the new sager laptops was because Nvidia didn't ship the GPU to clevo in time. Which means Clevo need to run more test on the GPU first, then Sager can run some tests on their end.

Here is the diagram:

Nvidia (GPU) -----> Clevo (Shell)------> Sager ------> other resellers----> customers

If the Nvidia end fails do we need to first contact our reseller then ----> Sager-----> Clevo -----> Nvidia? This chain of communication can easily become a mess...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

1. There was no delay!
2. People already have machines with the 9800M GTs and I have seen temps. They are low.

 

In addition, I noticed that Clevo hasn't put up the user manuel for the M86xTU (8660) series yet, not sure if they are still changing things around for this new shell...

 

Well i'm specifically referring to the 15.4" M860TU not the 5795 17" (I know topic was overbroad - just tailoring it now). 15.4" platform with 1 fan is very different from the 5796 with it's amazing cooling.

 

It seems NVIDIA has a lot of bad Batches ... and they are still in business ... and if they know the problem is the Packaging Die ... why not fix it ...

To me is just a "bad batch" and the card itself is A-OK ... don't mean anything ... because if my card happen to be the bad one that's what matters ... so why play russian roulette and buy a lptop with NVIDIA graphic card in it ... whether is AW or DELL or HP or Sager or MSI ... when they all have the same GPUs in it ...

I wonder why Laptop Distributors are not switching to ATI period till NVIDIA get their stuff together.

I am going with Intel X4500 ... safe!

G!

 

DRTH STi

Can I ask you a off topic question? How can you have 1333MHz memory on M860TU, I thought it only support up to 1066MHz DDR3 memory. And can you tell me what is PCMV?

 

Then one fan design of the 8660 is more efficient. You are thinking of it as half the cooling of the 5796 but in fact the fan is huge albeit one fan.

 

it was on eurocom, we've all seen it 2 months ago. pm Gophn if u want it.

 

Because PCMW tells him it can. You can read about PCMW in the thread stickied at the top of the Sager forum.

 

ATI is part of AMD now .... need I say more?

 

I went to eurocom website but the user manuel is not in there, see below:

http://www.eurocom.com/support/faqs/documentation.cfm

 

Correction, you can read up on AN ASSUMPTION of PCMW in the thread stickied above. This is not fact nor has it been proven. It goes against the amazing track record the company has.

 

A track record does not disappear when a company changes names, and actually it has been proven and substantiated with names and information. You know what else has been proven? 1333mhz clock speed ram means nothing. You can do better.

 

that's why i said PM Gophn, he got it on rapidshare.

 

NP8660 / M860TU User Manual

 

Thank you Nirvana I just pmed him, hopefully he would respond soon.

 

its above you

 

I can't open the file, it says it is damaged and downloading it again didn't help...

 

dont you mean, its behind you

 

it takes quite a while to download. use the left side link. its 220 pages long.
wait the 30 seconds while the clock counts down. it will automatically open.

 

30 seconds? more like 15 minutes.

 

Ok it is working now Thank you MrDJ!

 

ive got 500mb super broadband. blink and its done.

 

yeah nameinsert is absolutely right. 1333mhz ram doesn't mean squat in our systems with the chipset limitations. but for some reason pcmw claims they garner 5-10% extra performance from them - which I don't believe for a second anyway. Frankly - considering the price I got my system for they can put the 1333mhz ram in there if they want - I don't care at all. If they want to spend more money on unnecessary parts on my build when they are losing money on it I don't really care


off topic - who wants to trade their 4gb ddr3 1033 for 2GB ddr3 1333 + cash? lol.

back on topic - hopefully the 1 fan will cool it properly - I knew it was larger than usual but everyone still has their doubts. We'll see. My laptop should would be a good system to judge the coolign potential because of the extra heat the T9600 releases vs. the p9500 that everybody seems to be getting. If my system fries - then sucks for me but all of you have the benefit of a warning if it does.

 

The 9262 and the XPS 1730 have well designed thermal systems, so I`d be totally surprised if they`d have any problem.
Besides, the 8800M GTX SLI in the xps1730 is a sort of 8800M GTX2 ...
The m17x however runs hotter than both of these.

 

The theory is DDR3-1333 modules can be run at DDR3-1066 speed with tighter timings than DDR3-1066 modules.

The effect of tighter timings varies betweeen applications, but that is why resellers offer faster ram than the chipset is able to support.

The faster ram also provides some leeway if some how someone is able to overclock their processor.

Also there is nothing wrong with contacting Sager directly. Some people encourage you to do this.

 

thanks for the info man - that actually helps - guess i'll keep that 2gb module of 1333mhz. Makes the deal I got even sweeter then.

Will be upgrading to another 2gb module in the future when prices drop...

 

It might only have 1 large fan, but the heat sinks are in front of each other and both are at least twice the size of the m15x heat sinks.

 

Umm, when i had my 5793 on full load oc'ed highest temp i got was 75, on this laptop on full load higest temps ig et is 68 so i dont think there is a problem.

 

Here's one of the people I was referring to.

 

The issues wouldn't show up in a brand new system, it would be units from at least a few months ago, and the problem supposedly gets worse over time, but I don't think anyone in the sager/celvo section has reported something like that.

 

uh so back on topic. this is sorta alarming..
even if the 8600tu and cooling monsters like some other clevo machines, that doesn't change the fact that g92 cores that make up the 8800/9800 cards are defective and will run hotter than it should. and heat is what causes electronics estimated life to go down..
regardless, it doesn't sit well with me that a gaming laptop that we're paying lots of money for is coming with a (possible) defective gaming card yea?

im curious too. didn't Dell step in and help out this situation with their notebooks with the 8600Gts overheating or something?

 

All dell did was provide a bios fix to kick in the fans sooner. That's it. In my book that's not even a fix at all. Just makes more noise without solving the problem. Notebook failure rate will drop negligibly. Nothing substantial.

 

^^8600tu???????

 

so i got a 5792 in January... am i ok, or should i be worried? it seems fine to me.

 

If it seems fine then don't worry about it, just keep temperature in mind and don't do anything that will unnecessarily stress it like putting it on a bed or on your legs where the vents are blocked or allowing dust to build up in the heatsinks.

If you still worry then try and reduce the amount of heat cycling your card goes through by warming up your videocard before you jump into a game and letting it cool down slowly when you're finished instead of shutting straight off.

 

i'm talking about the dells dude.