Another funny thing in the BGA bucket...

HP Omen 17 SKL/1070

When the BGA cutcorner is so big you need to fool the customer thinking that the laptop has a bigger heatsink














Looks like one of those ricer cars that put on fake hood vents or exhaust.

At least Alienware does it better: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/funny-thing-i-found-on-the-15r3-2016-heatsink.797784/















Also gap big enough to put a penny inside




And then some...





In the process of foil taping up all the heatsink holes right now...







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brb dying of laughter.

 

Illusions doesn't translate to performance in the real World, but what's hilarious is how many poor saps fall for it.

 

LMAO Mr. Frank Azor's Marketing strategies definitely had some impact wow !! , Blatant fooling in broad-daylight. Next is what for the BGAverse ?? maybe silent gimping of the PCIe lanes on the NVMe SSDs etc..

 

Someone who has this model recently was asking if his 98 degree CPU was safe or not. I believe it was at stock BGA clocks too.
Don't these manufacturers actually do testing in their design phase? That's a rhetorical question.
It's pretty obvious the contempt they have for the people buying their trashy products.

And yeah.. it's a total ricer machine. Like have dual exhausts, only for 1 of them to be a dummy.

 

I forgot to tag you :| @TBoneSan


Also it's ok for the CPU VRM not to have a thermal pad (this particular one), great quality control! /s

 

Shamefully poor engineering. They forgot the word "bad" in front of Omen, LOL.

I think the only reason hp still exists is because stupid is an epidemic among consumers, and equally sad to say that most gamers are not really an exception. How any gamer can respect them after what they did to VoodooPC is beyond me. I bet Rahul Sood can't forgive himself for selling his soul to those losers.

 

Average gamer with average BGA gaming system

 

Why... why don't people report on this stuff? I don't understand! The number of "good" reviews HP Omen has had since it came out; I keep seeing people recommending them and Acer Nitro series. WHY?

 

Poor people.

 

nvm

 

sorry fam

 

Before foil tape mod










After foil tape mod (same temp)

 

WTF, is this a joke? I knew it was bad, but not that bad. I have never recommended this laptop and I never will.

 

What's with the hate on BGA? It has its place. Maybe I want to bting around my laptop to school everyday without having to carry a 2 inch thick weight.

"GTX 1080 in a thinbook is fine" -Razer

 

More and more trash out there Are these hardware engineers ostriches? With their head down into the sand? Looks like someone is missing their head. Either ostriches with the head under the sand or Lack of Thanks for sharing @Mobius 1 +rep.

 

I think we can all agree that BGA has a place. There is a special one, in fact.


An equally viable option...

 

All of the spineless shill reviewers drink the wee-wee flavored Kool-Aid. If they would be honest in their reports of incompetent products their bottomless pitcher of BGA pissbooks would run dry.

Most of the people that buy them are unable to recognize trash, and they believe too much of what they see on the internet is true.

 

Mr. Azor trying to save the sinking AW ship. Will never end well All the hardcore power enthusiast has left the AW ship long time before it sailed out of the harbor... And the BGA passengers who wanted to stay on the ship have already started to swim back towards the harbor and the most hardcore BGA boys crawled below decks.

 

Haha yup. The 17R3 is a prime example. One slot was x4 and the second was x2. Rofl... Brilliant Right? Smh

Then they put a mini m. 2 slot (ugh can't think of the size number on top of my head) but slot 3 is the mini me port. Why Why why?

Dell will ever fail to amaze us.

To top that, the brilliant minded carefully selected Monkeys at Dell think 100C is acceptable. We have a great screen shot of it somewhere...

Sadly most of the gamer boys today are too young to even know what voodoo pc is/was. They could have had something big today if it was done right.

HP doesn't care about anything but their corporate accounts.

Because to their standards it is good lol... Funny I know. Although we would never buy it, there are those looking for something cheap. This is one of the only GTX 1070 (under powered of course) 17 inch laptop that can be had for ~$1400 on a good day.

Definitely a budget bucket for that massive crowd. I'm glad @Mobius 1 can expose the real deal, because someone has to do it. That's why we do what we do... To call it out.

True. It does, but what's being emphasized here is the road map the computer / laptop industry has taken in soldering everything under the sun with these gaming laptops. Then to use the words like, "powerful" when advertising a CPU like the 6700HQ is just wrong. It's an oxymoron.

Sure, everything has its place, but "certain things" should not belong in "certain things."

Prime example: 6920HQ...

Most people: "It must be better because the number is higher than a 6700K right?"

Intel / Companies: "Laughing all the way to the bank."

The comedy: These low binned cripped HQ's cost just as much as desktop chips.

Sad day.

Haha

::iunlock::

 

Yes, except the GPU can't even hold stock clocks D=. Not even joking, @Mobius 1 was saying last night that it was at 68c but holding 1440MHz last night... but base clocks for 1070N is 1443MHz. It literally cannot even boost, what's the point? A 1700MHz+ 1060N could arguably be better.

Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut

 

I would not tape up all the holes, some of that is blowing inside the chassis, you'll likely get the motherboard going pop under heavier loads eventually.

 

welp

 

Hence why I said, "under powered of course.."

But yes I agree, this is just like the razer book pro. Just sad...

::iunlock::

 

Think of the poor garbage collectors and plumbers though, why should they have to suffer for other people's stupidity

 

Terrible doesn't even begin to describe it. I was going to post a small essay on BGA in the lost enthusiasm thread, but after I saw this, I'm not going to. BGA deserves all the $h!t it gets and then some. They'll NEVER do it right, so I wont bother as well. I just hope that when such turd fails on someone, (s)he doesn't mindlessly go and get another POS (it would fail outside warranty, just because that's the whole point) but instead do some reading. If that doesn't happen, well they deserve to be punished every 2 years + a month or two.

They even dared to crap-out their MobileWorkstations (ZBook) line, so yeah it's mindbending how bad things are with them and with the whole industry.

 

Yeah, we are literally at war with some exceedingly sick people that want to see all notebooks everywhere doomed to become disposable pansy-boy BGA filth. Their mental illness runs deep, starting with some the incurably retarded imbeciles in positions of power at Intel and NVIDIA. Having both is an impediment to their agenda. They want to pull us all down to their level because as long as a few laptops are built with "good stuff" they cannot be successful. The patheticness of the hardware they seek to advance is magnified greatly in the shadow of the tiny minority of laptops with sockets and slots that still exist.

Anyone that believes Intel and NVIDIA and their puppet partners have our best interests at heart needs to pull their head out and pay attention. They absolutely do not. This hp turdbook literally is an omen... of what their dismal vision of the future for "high performance" notebooks looks like. With Dell and hp and Apple kissing their posteriors and bowing to their command, it will take nothing short of a merciless mutiny to turn the industry on its ear and cause them to fail miserably financially. This is our only hope for a brighter tomorrow. People that open their wallets for this digital feces are part of the problem. This is only true because their agenda doesn't make room for those of us that expect more. They want us all to own disposable trash and there is no way that can happen if both options continue to co-exist peacefully as they have for years. Therein lies the problem. They drew first blood. We need more real enthusiasts that are committed to do whatever it takes to cause their failure, even if that means abandoning the concept of high performance notebooks forever. If all of us committed to never pay more than $500 for any BGA turdbook and convince others to do the same, the battle would be short and the victory sweet. Unfortunately, there are not many willing to draw that line in the sand.

This is one of the reasons I am passionate about the Tornado F5. I understand some people want smaller and some actually need it. The Tornado F5 is a thorn in the flesh of BGA Nazis, because it is everything a 15-inch beast should be. It can't hold a candle to the P870DM3, but it doesn't need to. It utterly destroys everything in the same size class.

 

The problem of the F5 is that it's not ISV certified, able to use ECC ram, or have option for high gamut screen.

It's sad but the professional workforce is getting shoved with crap machines.


The Zbook are either fully BGA or half-turd with MXM quadros and BGA CPU.











Also to stay on topic @Mr. Fox
I have confirmed that HP didn't put the thermal pad on the CPU VRM, but the heatsink clearly has cutout to put pressure on a thermal pad (if one was there).

Gap is around 0.5mm I believe, not sure. I used K5 pro.

Idk what's wrong, I think HP is trying to sabotage the machine from the start so that the VRMs burn out under normal use.
Even with undervolting I don't think I will use the machine without some sort of cooling on those VRM array.


Fan itself is not able to disassemble in effort of making cleaning and re-lubing the bearing impossible for customers. The way that the two halves of the fan is secured together is by melted plastic studs.


That whole foil tape thing took me a good hour to complete.

 

It sure does look like Dell and HP get their HS assembly made from the same factory. That HS surface / looks just like the 17R3's.

 

The sad truth is that even though enthusiasts draw the line and not buy any bga, we only make up of 0.00000000000000001% of the consumer base so it won't make a dent.

This is what the evil corporate, money hungry infidels that worship money & greed are banking off of...well let alone the ignorant who don't know any better and pay up the storm for such machines. (In the case of those truly needing power and opting for a bga machine when they could buy a F5 15" or a 775 17" for much cheaper.)

As stated in my review,

"The major thing that I've noticed about all these machines is the tolerance of how much of a hit it can take in a storm under stress, along with the integrity of the systems to be able to stand on their own two feet. - I've just thought of an excellent analogy, one in which tells the story very thoroughly.

A fully socketed machine is a house built on a rock.

A hybrid machine is a house built on gravel.

A bga machine is a house built on sand.

When the storm comes (petal to the metal / when these machines are put to the test under high stress) with rain and the floods crash on in...the house built on the sand will wither away (bga) and at times so will the house built on gravel (hybrid), while the one built on the rock remains standing (socketed/lga). - Tech Verse M7:24-27

This is so true for these different form factors. It's been nice to be able to really put all of these to the test, because proof is in the pudding."

Solution: The better approach is to support such companies who still continue to offer LGA machines. Going the other way is a lost cause as the cancer runs deep. To be fair, bga has its place, but not at the price point of a superior LGA machine (if needing power). One would be a fool to lug around a tank of a monster if needing portability. It just doesn't' work well at all and it is annoying and not practical. Trust me, I've tried it. Not everyone needs a monster truck to run to the store to buy some things for dinner.

Where is this F7?

 

Excellent and very fitting Biblical analogy.

 

A little bit of leaven leavens the entire loaf. We cannot afford to give any credit for a half-assed job on anything. If either one (CPU or GPU) is BGA it is an unaccepable compromise.

Thanks for the photos of the cooling system. Looks like quite an abortion.

 

Danke. Indeed, it is very fitting, true and undeniable.

It has tickled a lot of nerves of the bga fan base lol.

::iunlock::

 

That's why I hope for Ryzen + Vega clevo - one socket fits all - 4c/4t to 8c/16t, performance would be roughly equivalent to comparable grIntel, with the exception that the best we have now is LGA-1151 which means 4c/8t, and even if there was LGA-2011-3 machine (rumored Eurocom) it would mean 140W CPUs, where the 8c/16t Ryzen is rated at 95W (easy fit for the current thermal headroom of all LGA clevos) and then comes the pricing. EDIT: Forgot to mention, the socket would be around for 4 years. As for Vega, having options was good, or so I heard.

We are almost there as it seems. You see, there's no need to tell you how much I would love a system like the one I listed above, but it's still desktop parts in a laptop. I'm very saddened that the pinnacle of the mobile parts was during the Ivy era (39x0XM and 8970m/780m). We had proper mobile parts - binned with predictable behaviour (e.g. very slight (not to say none) variances from one 3920 to another), low power consumption when you don't need all the power, even when you did but you are not pushing it at full tilt. On the bright side, now you can get a Silicon Lottery CPU. There's also the chance for mobile Ryzen to be binned (unlike anything grIntel mobile), but all the pointers suggest that it would be BGA, so there's that. And then someone has to dare to put it in one of their machines so there's another that.

It's not the BGA CPUs that are the main problem, it still is, no doubt about it, but it's not like grIntel gave them a chance, they are partners (could be in quotes, not sure) after all. It's the "DreamColor" that gets the Razzie Award. You see, once upon a time the lowest spec DreamColor was 8bit TN, but it didn't make it bad, it still was RGB LED, had slightly better color gamut than the IPSes and better whites (stock for stock). All of the rest were 10bit IPSes with RGB LEDs - something that you couldn't find elsewhere (OK, there were PremierColor Precisions that used the same panels with slight tweaks (like different AG coating) but they came after). What do we have now? The same 8bit IGZO BG-r* LED panel that you can find elsewhere (anything that says Sharp 4K or IGZO 4K). People couldn't believe that hp downgraded and just assumed that it is 10bit, like they were before. I'm among the very few that dug hard enough and beats this drum since then. Being among few wont make me stop anytime soon, but few people are interested to know what they are actually buying. I understand though, if they put 4K HDR DreamColor on the spec sheet or on the box, people would lose their minds, so they took the gradual approach - one inch at a time - 4K "DreamColor" first and then the 4K HDR DreamColor. It also by coincidence would make people buy the next-year's refresh, so all of these money wont burn their pockets. Brilliant, no? Given that, why people shell money on a "DreamColor" machine? Simple - because they simply don't know that you can get a much more powerful machine with the same display. Well the story would get longer if we involve the warranty, but let's say that not all of the buyers demand the next-day-on-site servicing and would like to save some cash while getting more power and flexibility. Sadly this story is yet another proof that branding sells. I'm sad that once a brand that pushed displays forward is now just a money making machine - the "DC" upgrade costs $600! SIX-FFFFF-HUNDRED-DOLLARS! Again, this is a panel that can be find elsewhere and it's NOT anything special (to be completely honest it does cover about the same gamut almost decade old 8730w DC did). It's a side-grade at best and this is for the people that find 4K fine. Anyway, to put things in perspective the unique 16:10 IPS used in the 8740w DC was a $550 option. To elaborate on unique - this was a panel exclusively made for this single laptop AND was IPS AND was 16:10 (aside from MacBooks (proprietary), there's no 16:10 IPS larger than 12.1") where almost all of the rest has switched to the cheaper 16:9 already. To put things in even better perspective, the same panel is $155.52 upgrade in Precision 7710, which can also be had with W7170M, unlike hp (W6150M). They deserve to go down. I just feel bad for the engineers that stand behind the DreamColor.

* I'm guessing, since there's no info on the backlight, but it's not WLED (can't cover such gamut), but not RGB LED either (with the IGZO substrate an RGB LED backlit panel could cover Rec.2020 (or the color space HDR standards are based on))

Nothing to comment, just quoting so people can enjoy the sheer genius of the "engineers" once again and to not be completely off.

But we are the most vocal, so that's quite something.

Reminds me of the "The Three Little Pigs"

 

Indeed, we are positioned to influence the 99% to incite major turmoil and create some constructive hate and discontent. The more vocal we are the better. The 99℅ is composed largely of steeple that are easy to manipulate. The challenge is getting them to use their brain, set aside the glass of Kool-Aid, and stay off of Facebook long enough to regain their common sense. There can be a ripple effect that builds steam and snowballs in a manner that has potential to actually be devastating. But, if we remain complacent and resign ourselves to a future dominated by BGA excrement we become our own worst enemy.

 

Man I only wish that people weren't so stupid...







Ryzen clevo does sound promising @triturbo

I have enough money as it is to blow on a fully specced clevo with the eurocom 780w adapter, but I'll hold of if there's any glimpse of a Clevo with ryzen chipset....

 

Yeah. Put pressure on those who create the junk aka warn everybody against buying their overpriced BGA trash. This is the only viable way out from the dark. If the sale of their dumpster tumbles down 4-5%, it will affect them hard. Maybe they will change and offer something better. 4-5% seems low but I can tell you this will hurt them in their wallets.

 

It does indeed. I've been thinking, if that LGA2011-3 thing happens, since there are a few people that would enjoy Xeons, the Ryzen platform would the perfect supplement. Ryzen for your general-and-then-some computing needs and then the big beast for the extra cores and ECC RAM. That would be a sweet line-up. Win win? I think yes.

 

I'd love to see laptops with Intel's BGA feces rotting unsold on store shelves and it would be awesome to see them have to halt future production of all soldered mobile chips because not enough people are willing to buy their butt-scraper filth to justify producing it. And, I'd love to see AMD bring something of value to the table. They haven't done anything right since the P4 and first generation Athlon days. Hyperthreading was introduced and was almost a lethal injection to AMD. The last good mobile video card they produced was 5870M, back in the first generation Core i7 days. Some might argue 7970M was good. It had a very brief run in the sun as the most powerful high performance option, but it was too prone to malfunction and failure to qualify a as "good" product. It also sucked at overclocking, so there is that strike against it as a "high performance" GPU.

 

Look at where 8970m is standing, the GTX 780m used to lead. Also failing GTX 980ms didn't stop anyone from still buying them in masses. Anyway, the rotting BGAs is awesome, but unlikely to happen.

 

780M still beats 8970M by a substantial margin. Even though hardly anyone uses 780M any more, those still playing with 8970M have never managed to catch up and probably never will. Those GCN cards are too weak to be overclocked enough to catch up. For circa 2012-2013 GPU performance it was worthy of an honorable mention. Sadly, AMD hasn't done anything honorable or worthy of mention in mobile graphics since then.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11067038/3dm11/7593998/3dm11/7630785

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7936496/fs/2457216/fs/2330540

The 980M fragility and weakness was inexcusable and symptomatic of using poor quality components and cutting corners to save a few bucks... really stupid things like leaving off half the MOSFETs the cards needed to last. I found one out of six to be durable, but with proper modding to address the areas where NVIDIA was incompetent they are almost bullet-proof.

Overall, it has been a sad state of affairs for notebook lovers for several years. We have multiple demonstrations of lameness from team red and intentional acts of evilness and betrayal from the Green Goblin.

 

Also to quote and not to forget how the Alienware transformed retarded into a castrated jokerbooktrash-milkingmachine for Dell & co.

Spoiler

Alienware History from 2006 - Present ( From King to Pauper ) and The Industries showing middle finger to consumers -

Dell had bought Alienware in 2006, it had the machines made by Clevo as a partner. which dates long back, Then further down the road we had many extraordinary machines - M15x, M17x, M17x R2 the SLI one - First gen i7 machines, Beautiful design and full customization options from website. Later we had the Sandy Bridge platform, M18x SLI 580M one and M17x R3 they all had beautiful same design principles and exemplary build quality unmatched performance and full MXM machines with precise heatsinks across all, This had continued upto the M17x R4 and M18x R2 with Ivy - Meanwhile the Desktop market also had amazing lineup with ALX chassis and Aurora, Area 51 machines which were top at that time - This is what Golden Age of Computers, Alienware, Liberty consumer choice was.

Starting from 2013 things went downhill in all, Dell announced going Private from Public in the same year 2013, Might wonder why does this have relationship ? - From a fellow member here who had a known contact at Alienware, So the reality was during the acquisition of Alienware in 2006 A deal was made, Dell will be funding the Alienware but slowly gain control over the Company and implement their own design standards, marketing strategies and principles. And immediately later 2013 - First blow was Win8 and It's B$ UEFI & the 14 Haswell machines came with HQ option - Intel BGA filth, started it was a shock to most of the people but by that time the dumbing of consumers took place, thanks to Facebook and kool-aid crap,

Also post M18x R2 time - Alienware Haswell Era with the removal of MgAlloy chassis to only middle frame, Lid being MgAlloy. Plastic Backplate with not so strong design, CPU and GPU fans with low CFM ratings, Battery removability gone need to remove the backplate, NVRAM BIOS (The Ultimate cancer infestation, CMOS reset wnt reset the BIOS need to use specific tricks, Secure Flash locking the sBIOS modding unlike the Ivy Bridge Platform - Gimped Fan tables, locked FAN RPMs in EC, No laser Etching personalized option, Removal of customization on website, AW18's motherboard hardpower cap vs M18x R2's no power cap, M18x R2 pulling from 600W using a dual power brick only match was Eurocom Panther 5 the X79 chipset machine which can run Xeons and Hexacore CPUs, She also got struck by the MXM dropping by Nvidia after Maxwell) M18x R2 started with 580M SLI to 680M SLI, 7970M CF, 780MSLI - Unfortunately 980M SLI didn't work properly when OCing the CPU and GPU causing some EC communication across the board and throttling, Dell could fix that but they didn't care. AW18 was delayed indefinitely (end of 2015) the time when Maxwell was announced maybe the Dell was restructuring the strategy and wonder why the Haswell had redesign ? Also Dell had killed the XPS performance machines to the kiddo crap now, Tried to come back with hybrid plastic combo for the Echo lineup and minimal metal....

Jaillienware now it is. 100% retarded POS garbage class (Whole brand not just NBs, Desktops are ultimate mess, A garbage fest (from Cass-Ole a fellow enthusiast, tried his best), Which is pumping this "Shiny" and brand misnomer who didn't knew what Alienware stood for and how they have been leading the crown on the path of Genocide of this BGA hell, Nice strategy they employed on forging an abomination called Metal chassis, with robust build and Ultra high performance JOKE to tune the crowd for their needs, to line their own deep pockets of insatiable hunger for cash without ethics & try to fix em up when things get to the Internet news channels ?! While keeping the gimping intact.

Since Dell departing from the PGA mobile CPUs to BGA hell Intel might have made all OEMs take the same direction, I highly suspect this is what happened with Dell dropping the socketed machines from 2014 & Intel could easily push the BGA abomination, MSI didn't even exist in this class at that time, Now here we are the BGA Genocide - All laptops shipping with that Garbage Win10 with it's UEFI, Privacy Invading, Eternal Beta cancer and BGA crap, Now MSI still offering stupid BGA CPUs while their nasty practices, famous in the MSI forum. No offense but the lack of choice and seeing consumer as just $$$$ machine is just nuts and not productive at all in both long and short run...

I'm so glad to see most of the Enthusiasts found new weapons that can annihilate this BGA / Gimpfest Cancer, disintegrating it at cellular level - Thanks to NBR's Enthusiast community for the supreme class reviews of really worthy contenders in the market who are in pursuit of performance on both software and hardware realms and actually think for "themselves", liberty.

Hope the Ryzen / F7 / Clevo / MSI follow the path they chose and not to crap their customers with this mainstream drama targeted by Extortionist Corporates..

 

That's exactly why I no longer want to buy a laptop over $2000. I am trying to get something with 4K but in the range of $1500. Probably a BGA since there aren't any other options. Maybe I can find a N870HK1 with UHD screen somewhere ? I also think they had a great idea with the N350DW models, which have 6700T CPUs. They should move to that with all their laptops.

 

Why pay more than necessary for BGA? http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/prod...30358360134c101442632&ven3=300103758360635080
If you really need 4K... Buy an external screen

 

I am the one that asking about the 100C cpu in another thread. I had never had a high end gaming laptop before (always mid-range get the job done type stuff). One thing I noticed in this thread was the GPU not boosting. My GPU (1070) would boost to 1850-1911 all day and it never went past 82C. Most times staying around 72-77C while gaming at max settings. It was that cpu that was giving me problems. Anyways HP replaced that laptop with a 7700HQ. I will see how it handles heat and report back

 

Is there a non bga 15" laptop that is around an inch thick and not too heavy? After all the people in the Razer thread and my already dissapointment in myself for buying a Razer product I realized I did not look around enough and I should have just gotten a 15" that meets my needs. I am thinking about a Sager np8157 but I know this is still bga. I see Sager or clevo offer a non bga 15inch but it is 1.5" thick and 7.5 pounds. Any other brands that may have an option or is that the only model?

 

Yeah, there is a wonderful option for that. Just under 7 lbs.

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Mini-MonsterBook Review Thread

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,384,0)ec

 

Aside from that, is the only other one the NP9152? Even though there is probably no CPU upgrade path from the 7700k that will be able to go into these laptops I would like to go this route if possible. The NP9152 interests me a little bit more simply for the fact that it is a little bit thinner (yet almost a pound heavier?). The NP9152 however (atleast on HID) only allows me to go up to a 1070. If I were to buy a 1080, or wait for future better cards as a 1070 should be good enough for a while, would I be able to upgrade that in this model and add that card later? That 1.6 inches gets scarily close to my AW which I am really trying to avoid, but at the same time is .1in of a difference really a big deal for an extra pound? I am trying to sell my Blade and trying to decide between the NP8157 (yeah yeah I know BGA but I love the size of it) or the NP9152 or possibly the Tornado. I do not really want to spend the money on a 1080 now but I would like to know I could upgrade to it down the line if I really wanted to or future better cards.