Anyone with a Sager 8258 yet?

Hi folks,

I'm about to pull the trigger on an 8258 with 870m & all the goodies. I know they just came out, but I thought I'd see if anyone had one yet and had any comments, photos, impressions, opinions, etc. Just curious....

 

If you get an 870m look at the s version. Better value.

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Not many people will have them yet, but they're the same chassis as before and the cards aren't radically different. Should be the same input/viewpoints as we have been seeing.

 

Unfortunately the 8258-S does not come with 870, only the 880, and I'm not interested in paying $300 extra for the 880 versus the 870.

Anyway --- anyone have an 8258 yet?

 

Hi Derek,

Have you guys at Xotic built or played with any of the 8258's yet?

 

I don't believe any have got customizations that required they ship to us just yet. I believe they plan on making a video review of one the first chance they get but have to have one here first.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/748689-anyone-sager-8258-yet.html#post9607334

 

Awesome! Thanks for being willing to let them use your computer to upload some videos etc. Can't wait to see.

 

Lots of ideas there, Thanks for that. Most of it isn't quite as simple as saying ok lets do it but definitely see what you're saying. If you look in the tech specs of the machine it'll give you the exact dimensions of the machine you're looking at, the gallery used for how the machine itself looks.

On your machine you sadly don't have any XPC services to bring it into our facility, so won't be able to make a review of it as is. If you'd like to contact Josh though and have him help arrange bringing it into our shop and ok with a little delay to shoot a video, I'm sure it can be arranged. We had some arrive recently it appears but there is so much time and work going into creating one of those videos that it hasn't been feasible to do just yet without significantly delaying shipping of a machine to the customer and that's our main goal, timely delivery.If you wanted to get a video review though, chassis is the same as 8265 and the hardware won't be significantly different this time around since most remained the same, possible for you to look up a 8265 review video and get what you're looking for in the meantime.

 

i receive mine 8258 yesterday, order through xoticpc. The laptop so far is awesome, run very cool, fan are not loud at all (make me wonder if they change the cooling), and lastly the sound/speaker is amazing. I think they totally fix their sound department with this reversion.

 

Good to hear! I'm glad you're enjoying it.

 

I'm looking to buy one myself! Can't wait for XoticPC's video review, and my long awaited return to club Sager!

 

You said it runs pretty cool, which gpu did you go with?

 

he was interested with the 870m so he probably got that gpu

 

I'm getting the 8258-S with the 880M tomorrow.

As soon as I get it set up and play with it some I'll let you know how things are of interest.

Temperature under load.
Noise of the fans.
Overall useability (keyboard, touchpad, etc)

I opted out on the solid state and just got the 7200 RPM 1TB drive. I can always pick up an SSD or two at a later date.

 

I was considering the 880m variant but I don't think it's worth the $300+ for the 880 over the 870

FYI amazon is still having good deals on SSDs right now I think. 250gb Samsung EVO (Great SSD, highly recommend) is $140!


I'm pretty set on the Sager NP8268-S. Hard to find much info online since it just came out. I'm mostly going to use it hooked up to external monitors but what do you guys think about the 17" screen variant over the NP8268-S and the 15"? What size do you guys plan on going with and why?

 

I ended up ordering the P8268-S due to it's 15.6" screen size. I just got back into PC gaming and used to own a 17.3" gaming notebook 6 years ago. I hated the size and weight of it. I got rid of it because the portability of a 17.3" notebook just wasn't for me. Right now I'm coming from a MacBook Pro 13.3" which I love for it's portability but I wanted to go back to PC and wanted to make sure it was capable of gaming. Even a 15.6" feels a little too big to what I've grown accustomed to so there's no way I'm getting a 17.3"

I'm pretty sure 17.3" notebooks are fine for some people but for me ( late 30's ) I didn't feel comfortable lugging around something so big. I also chose the P150SM-A because of its simple but elegant looks. I also picked the 870m for the very same reason as you, $300 didn't seem worth the small boost in performance. But then again, I've always gone with the gpu behind the flagship gpu. The price point has been like this ever since the GeForce series back in the early 2000's. What's got me worried though is hearing that the 870m maxing above the 180w psu in the P150SM.


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II think you made a good choice. With the previous 700m series there was a much greater performance gap between the 770m and the 780m. Now it's not that much.

 

Keep in mind, it seems to have maxed in synthetic benchmarks. The chances of it maxing while playing a game are much slimmer. With that said, I shot for the 17.3" because I've had a history of AC adapters going bad on desktop replacement laptops, and want to have the least stress on mine.

I really went back and forth on the 15" vs 17". Eventually, I settled on the fact that 75% of the time it will be on my desk, and will see heavy use with gaming and engineering tools. I lugged my 10+ lb HP 17" laptop around for years, and I already have a nice backpack for laptops that size...so no biggie.

I went for the 870m as well. I couldn't stomach $300 for what seems like a marginal improvement. Especially since I don't plan to get a monitor with a resolution higher than 1920x1080.

 

I had the extra cash to burn so decided on the 880. For once I wanted a flag ship processor.

 

Well GPU it should cope with some extra effects and AA better.

 

I had this debate too for a while before choosing and came to the same conclusion. I only travel to and from work with the laptop and the few times I use it outside of the offices wont be a bother. But I did pnoy up for an 880m due to the fact that I run multiple monitors at work and need the machine to be major upgrade free for more then 3 years and the 880 will give me every ounce of power out of the rig I can get for now.

 

It's your best chance with that yes.

 

The support for 4 active monitors on 8XXm and last gen cards is very exciting! Feels like yesterday it was 2 or 1 external and internal.

 

It's the clock less nature of displayport that has allowed it.

 

I was reading this as well as the 8 series on Keplar is said to want min 100watts for the GPU alone, factor in 47w for the intel CPU's and extras, seem's no one has leaked max power usage for the 8m series yet for each one 860/70/80 based on keplar, would be very useful!

 

Ok, spent the last few days loading up the laptop with the games and mods that I had on my previous laptop (Asus G51jx-x1 with the 360M).

I have to say, it's like going from a yugo to a porsche. It's incredible.

I first played Skyrim, ultra settings, with all the advanced 2K texture pack mods. The temperatures were barely moved.



This was after an hour of playing Sager (and with it running while playing). The temperature never even hit 80c.

I haven't bothered to check fps, but it's fluid, no staggering, no lag, no stutters, nothing.

For those concerned about fan noise, it's barely noticeable. Maybe my ears are not sensitive enough to it, but in all honesty my Asus G51 kicked out more noise with the fan then the Sager currently is, with it under load.

Maybe previous versions of Sager has had noisy fans, but this isn't one of them.

The touchpad while multitouch is very touchy. It's difficult to do any precision control with it, but it's more than fine for basic browsing or day to day use.

A gaming pad it isn't.

I don't have a sound meter, or I'd give you the decibels of the fan, but it's gotta be in the low 40's under heavy load, if even that high.

The keyboard is very firm, nice touch, feels a lot like the old IBM desktop keyboards. A perfect fit for give and textile pressure. And the multi-color just rocks.

The monitor (95% gamut) is... it brings tears to your eyes. It's absolutely brilliant.

The sound from the speakers is amazing. A lot of people bash the speakers in the Sagers, but for laptop speakers, I have to say, it's some of the best I've heard. Crisp, clear, and good tones throughout. It misses a bit on the heavy base, but with the small subwoofer you can't expect miracles.

I can give more details if anyone wants anything in particular, but all I can say is I strongly support and suggest this laptop for any avid gamer. It's... absolutely outstanding.

 

If only it had a QHD+ screen (for nice text rendering and photoshopping), it would be my dream machine...

 

Great to hear that about the sound quality. I've been waiting to get one in to take a listen myself but that sounds pretty good!

 

Oh absolutely on the sound. When I started up the first game, I had to turn down the volume as it was too loud. And it was only at about 76/100 at that time.

It cranks out some serious sound.


One thing I have found is the bluetooth is flakey. I am having a huge annoyance connecting devices to it.

My only guess is the device I'm connecting is BT 3.0 and the adapter is 4.0 which apparently has no backward support.

Not really a deal breaker though as bluetooth has always been flakey with, well, everything.

 

Are you using the standard or did you upgrade to intel or bigfoot? I grabbed the intel card as I have have a good bit of luck with them and Im hoping the bluetooth is stable.

 

Good question. I have the Intel AC card. I don't trust bigfoot. They've had mixed reviews.

 

Ah I got that card too and I'll test my bluetooth when it comes but my phone is 4.0 though.

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I saw a thread somewhere about the Intel 7260 having issues. Seemed to be mostly driver related. Kind of makes me iffy on it because Intel wireless have an outstanding reputation. I haven't used Bluetooth much on my laptops since I stopped using symbian but the occasional time I do use it I havent had issues.

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Absolutely correct. Everything I've read shows it's a driver issue with the bluetooth stack. So it'll likely just have to have a new driver (or three) until its fixed.

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Definitely good to hear on the sound. Some other reviewes based on similar sound all gave it an "ok" rating, but that is one issue with these "pro" reviews sites is they tend to over critize things that most people won't even notice.

While i do like good sound, it is a laptop and i have my amp and HD595's if i want good sound anyways.

Any chance of some pictures of your laptop? I am leaning towards this model myself as the -S with the 870 and power draw worries me with only a 180w power brick, wonder why they would put a borderline "just enough" brick with a system that can draw over 180w at full load system wide....

If i do get to order this Laptop going to talk to josh to see if they want to use mine to do a video review for it, help out other people in future.

 

I thought the s'es got upgraded power supplies? Reseller please correct me if am wrong.

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I'll absolutely take some pictures and put them out there.

As for the power draw, I seem to have no issues with it, and I have the 880M in mine.

 

I couldnt agree more on the sound reviews. People assume that since its a 2.1 system with a name brand that it has to compete with dedicated systems.

Nope they still use the 180watt PSU which is fine for most uses (minus extreme synthetic benchmarking). I think htwingnut told that you can use a dell adapter that runs 230 or 240watts. Not sure maybe he can chime in.

 

The 17.3 incher has a 230 watt power supply. I dunno why they don't just send that with the 15.6 as well...same hardware.

 

The brick is bigger and heavier. The 17 inch is designed more for tweaking with copper cpu heatsink and more cpu power phases.

 

I am thinking of getting g a 17" this time as I rarely travel with it so the few times will only be a small inconvenience. I hope it does ship with 230w. Having extra overhead on your power supply is better for laptop and PSU longevity.

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likely i am sure %99 of people don't run their systems at the 180w or above mark for long enough for it to matter and the 180w may be able to do higher for a decent period, they just don't over advertise it maybe.

 

I am quite sure it's less that that if it's a sager. Many people buy sager for their well above average performance and cooling. Many owners are gamers or need workstations with no overhead like forced bloat that come with many mainstream laptops like dells and hps. Their business lines are usually much better but sager almost always trumps them in performance for dollar. Personally myself, dont need a workstation but run @home programs which can be taxing depending on how you configure it. I need sager's exceptional cooling and good customer service and warranty.

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I have noticed my brick gets a bit warm, so I may purchase one of those 230W supplies. Good idea, thanks.

 

The 17" Sager models with an MXM video card ships with a 230w power brick. Those with soldered GTX 860M and 850M get a 120w and it goes down to 90w for iGPU models

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Do you know what model of the 230w power supply would work with the 8258-S? Is it the ACA-8298, NP8298 230W 110V/240V autoswitch AC Adapter?

I obviously don't want to risk frying my rig.

 

Dont quote me on this but I believe you should be fine just getting bigger PSU made for a sager. I believe they all fit and it will only draw what it needs and not force feed 230v. I believe many sager gaming rigs owners do this especially over clockers. Probably just double check with a reseller you plan to buy from.

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The 230w has a 4 pin connector. HTWingnut pointed me towards a Dell 240w power supply and an adapter. I will lookup that post when I get home.

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