Are 9850's being shipped yet?

Are 9850's being shipped yet?

 

Is there even a point in this new laptop when the new mobile core i7 plattform is just about to be realeased in September rendering the current Core2 Duo's obsolete when it comes to high performance?... That's up to (overclocable multiplier-free) 2.0GHz Quadcore w/ HT (8 threads). So the release of the 9850 at this point makes positively no sense anymore. Its not upgradable in any way to the new CPUs as they require new mobile chipsets and mobos. Just my 2 cents of course... Im sure they'll sell like hotcakes...

 

but it will be a year before you will be able to order one from Sager or the like and get it delivered, in a year i will sell this and buy a new one

 

From Sager yes, but I already have word people like Sony will release refreshed version of some of their higher-end laptops with the new i7 mobile and even at its lower clock speeds initial offerings (1.7GHz) it will cream any quad or dual Core 2 Duo CPU, regular or extreme version. These are the cold facts and why this is such a turning point as far as mobile performance goes...

 

sony dont do high end gaming laptops

so even if it had the i7 i wouldnt buy it

I would be very surprised to see any performace machines before spring 2010

 

Intel Mobile Core i5/i7 Coming Early Next Year

RegHardware reports that Intel is planning to launch seven mobile processors based on the Core i5 and i7 architecture in Q1 2010. The codenamed 'Arrandale' processors will feature Core i5 and i7 branding, and one (it is not clear which one) could have onboard graphics.

There will be two Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) models to start with running at 1.06GHz and a 1.20GHz, with the ability to overclock to 2.13GHz and 2.26GHz, respectively. They will have TDPs of 10 - 18W. Other specs include 4MB of L3 cache, DDR3-800 support, and Hyperthreading (which means four logical processor cores).

There will be two Low Voltage (LV) models as well, running at 2.0GHz and 2.13GHz, with the ability to overclock up to 2.80GHz and 2.93GHz respectively. They will also feature Hyperthreading technology.

The standard part will be an i7 with a 2.66GHz clockspeed (overclockable to 3.33GHz); it will be a dual- and not a quad-core chip. The TDP will range from 25 - 35W, and it will support DDR3-1066. A standard i5 chip will have the same TDP and memory support as the 2.66GHz i7 chip, but a lesser cache (3MB L3 vs 4MB L3) and stock clocks of 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz, which overclock to 2.93 and 3.06GHz respectively.

A dual-core Celeron based on the Arrandale architecture is expected to launch in Q2.

 

How is a 1.7GHZ quadcore 55W CPU better than the current offerings? I know they will have some turbo-something to increase the speed of one core in single-core apps, but not much else.

 

ok so being launched early next year means that we wont see them available in machines untill 6 months later roughly

so this time next year

i'll be happy till then

 

Wouldn't the videocards in a i7 machine be the bottleneck even though they came out with a i7 with SLI 280m's?

Or are the current CPU's the bottleneck for the SLI 280m's?

 

i believe i made a post here earlier, i explained that nvidia's video cards such as 9800m gt and 260m 280m's performance is not affected by how good your cpu is,
ATI's video cards are known for sharing performances between your cpu and their gpu, hence you reaLLY NEED A STRONG cpu to maximize ati's video cards, while nvidia's performance is independent of cpu performance.
So you guys learned a lesson here, this is the difference between nvidia's video cards and ati video cards. Ati is dependent on how strong your cpu is.

 

if you find my info useful rep me thanks
if you have a weak cpu and use crossfire your video card will taker a hit in performance, while having 260m or 280m you dont. Because ati shares performance with your gpu 50/50. i hope this helps

 

All video cards are dependent on the CPU and vice versa. Usually one is the system's bottleneck in gaming, overclocking, etc. If you get very small differences in 3dmark (or whatever) overclocking the cpu, then the video card is the system bottleneck.

So your saying Nvidia cards are bottlenecking the system and the cpu's are bottlenecking the ATI cards?

 

when i oc it looks like it but ati got it worse though. i concluded thAT ATI AND CROSSFIRE being dependant of cpu is a weakness within ati cards, and not the other way around with nvidia.

 

Piff rep systems are gay but I repped you anyway.

I'm about to buy a system and I'm trying to minimize cost with tip-top upgradability with cost / reward in mind. Meaning I don't want to spend $300+ dollars for a 10% increase in performance lol.

 

well now you know the difference between nvidia cards and ati cards.
i always thought the way ati cards have an inherited flaw in their design of video cards, unfortunately its been this way for long long lonnng time.

 

So overclocking your CPU showed improvement in your ATI cards? But overclocking your CPU didn't show improvement in your NVIDIA cards?

 

All cards are limited in one way or another by the CPU, to say they are not is idiotic.

The ATI cards reply alot more on cpu power that is true, but i noticed a difference in my benchmarking (of which i have done ALOT) when i clocked my CPU up

When they make a Mobile I7 with SLI'd GTX 300's then i will move until then there will be no gaming performance increase

 

Your conclusion is directly contradictory to your findings .

To refresh:
CPU limited
When you have a slow CPU but a fast GPU.
When GPU is too fast for the CPU to catch up. Improving processor speeds results in a marked performance improvement. ATi cards fall into here based on your findings. Weak link->CPU. Anytime a card needs a really fast cpu to take full advantage of the gpu (as quoted above), that's an indication of a very powerful gpu.

GPU limited
When you have a fast CPU but a slow GPU.
When CPU is too fast for the GPU to make any difference in performance. Improving processor speeds does little because the bottleneck is the GPU...in your example that's Nvidia cards. Weak link -> GPU.
And it's not because the GPU is less dependant on the processor. Both GPU and CPU have to be dependant on each other in order to give the best performance.