Are all Schenkers / Clevos noisy?

I am looking for a new laptop for 2D graphics and video editing and came across a few reviews of Schenkers pointing out that these machines are REALLY noisy. Are there any owners of those laptops using them mainly for work rather than gaming? I would be very grateful if you could share your experience.

 

Forgot to add that I am specifically looking at Schenker W504.

 

Any high end computer whether its a Clevo or any other brand is going to have more fan noise just because they need it to properly cool the higher components. There really is no way around it if you want the power. The only way to get a quiet computer would be to sacrifice the higher end parts and get ones that dont need as much cooling.
I would not say they are "REALLY" noisy, but in a dead silent environment under full load you will hear it.

Its up to you to decide whats more important to you. The high performance with more fan noise or a quiet computer with lower performance.

 

as Hutsady said, to have high end spec it needs high end fan speeds to keep them cool.

here the review for the previous W503 Review Schenker W503 (Clevo P150SM) Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

no idea how different it will be on noise compared to the new W504 which has no reviews out yet.

my P150EM is almost silent for every day use but the fans do kick in during gaming but the noise doesnt interfere with the game as sound from speakers drowns the fans out.
for heavy duty work in a silent room i guess they could be a little annoying but sadly thats the compromise for high end specification.

 

Seems to be some variation between models per year and yearly models. But generally what the previous posters said. You pay for the performance with more noise to keep it cool. I wish we could pay for quieter fans. I bought some noctua fans for my onkyo 3009, and the no name fans weren't loud by any means but the noctua fans have to be cranked to full and you need to less than 3 feet away to hear them in a silent room. I seriously doubt we could anything that quiet in severely compromised space like a laptop but some "quieter" fan upgrade options would be highly appreciated.

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When just ilding or doing light work (browsing, watching DVD) my P370SM never makes more than about 36 dB of noise. Sure it's audible, but it doesn't bother me. And this is a laptop with THREE fans.

For comparison a "fully silent" bedroom registers 31 dB, and this is what I sleep to at night. If I open the windows, the ambient noise instantly shoots up to 48 dB, which drowns out the fans even at load.

I was worried about the noise at first too, but I've since come to the conclusion the reviewers at Notebookcheck are way too sensitive to noise. Seriously if all you've ever used are craptastic ULV ultrabooks in your life then yeah sure the Clevos will be "noisy", but still doesn't change the fact that 36 dB is more than tolerable and calling them "noisy" and "annoying" is just way off the mark.

 

I appreciate your answers, thank you very much. I certainly understand that fan noise is simply something that you have to live with if you want a powerful laptop, but apparently there are cases that manufacturers somehow managed to deal with better than others (see Dell M3800 review at Notebookcheck). I will certainly wait for the reviews to come out before I take the plunge, but I am glad that I don't need to be tied to big players in the market.

@rhutor
I get your point but I had learned to have some faith in their reviews - too late, I shall add. Many years ago I bought Vaio F11Z1E before any reviews came out and had I read their review of that laptop I would not even consider it. Notebookcheck's measurements and assesments were dead right, it is a whiny noisy contraption which I hate to this day.

 

If it helps any, I recently got a Sager 8258-S and under load the fans are barely noticeable. No whine, no woosh, no whirr. I'd say even under load with fans high it doesn't get above 40 decibels, if even that.

The games btw are Skyrim on ultra and Witcher 2 on ultra (not uber, though I think I could pull it off, but it's not worth it).

The temperature of the GPU doesn't get above 85c, the CPU hovers around 78c.

I play the game next to my wife, who watches TV.

The only thing she demands I do is turn down the volume of my game. Which tends to require me to drop the volume of the game to a setting around 36/100 which is still loud enough to enjoy the game, but also quiet enough for the wife to hear TV under normal volume.

Needless to say, the fans don't even contribute to her complaints.

In fact, the fans were so quiet, my wife requested I order her a Sager 8258 for herself, which I have (gotta love a wife who's a gamer)

But seriously, no bsing here. The fans are not loud at all. Even if you're sensitive to noise, the fans will be quiet.

 

Oh their measurements are quite accurate and right on the mark, but their subjective (and sometimes exaggerated) interpretations can be a bit much I feel. I mean hell, my office Dell desktop makes about 40 dB at idle. According to them I should be annoyed and distracted for as long as I sit in front of my desktop.

 

On a side note/question, do the modern Sagers like the NP8258 have fan controls like my old NP5793 did?

 

How does the 8268/8278 compare to the 8258 in db?

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Not sure what the NP5793 did, but I have noticed that there's a fan-speed control for the 8258. You can even turn them on max if you want.

 

Is it just auto and max? Didn't the 5793 have more fine control?

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Any of you have a kill-a-watt to see what the power draw is from the wall while gaming or doing a stress test run? the 180w PSU worries me for "just" being enough... and has me leaning to the 17" model with the 230w PSU.

 

i have p150hm machine and after upgrading from 6990m to 680m crysis 3 at max settings shut down my laptop rightaway ;] so 180w turned out to be not enough, even with quite moderate oc. so i bought 240w dell psu (pa-9e) and everything runs fine now. you just need to swap output cables, it's very easy.

 

Good to know. i don't like how with the 870m and up it seems these 15.6 laptops with 180w PSU are really not enough if you do decide to push your laptop, sure the cost of just making the 230w for all or something would not be a big difference, or at least offer the option to upgrade the power brick on order.

 

I guess it is safe to assume then that if I configure W504 with 4702MQ (37W) and GTX 860M (none of quadro cards are available until June at least) then my system would be fairly quiet? I presume that optimus / hd4600 would take care of fairly uncomplicated 2D graphics in InDesign etc., it is only when more demanding stuff is edited the fans would start spinning, am I right?

 

Well, if it helps, my 8258-S with the 880M running Witcher2 in ultra (not uber, just ultra) is pulling my GPU at about 84c and the fans do blow some, but they don't spin on high, and the fans are low enough where my wife can watch TV beside me and yell at me to turn down the sound on my laptop because the speakers are kicking out too loud of sound

 

If you want to know the fan characteristics, you can watch my video.


Of course it is quite difficult to adjust your headphones to hear the right volume.

 

The 8258 isn't as loud as that, even on high.

I can see why previous models were seen as being very loud.

Though it may be a difference between the P157 and P150.

 

@Ashen-Shugar
Thanks for the info, but please, for the sake of your marriage, get yourself a pair of closed headphones!

@LoopNBj
Thanks for the video, I have to say that I did jump in my chair when the fans kicked into their last stage Interestingl enough, although there are certainly limitations in respect of recording setting, my earphones, etc. I think that the sound of the fans is still lower than the high pitch, inconsistent whine I experienced in my old Vaio, which is a good thing. I will definitely put the Schenker on my shortlist.

 

For me, that loud is intolerable. almost ridiculous....

 

It seems so, that there are some little improvements on clevos newer generation (SM-A). As reviews statet, the P170SM-A and the P157SM-A, won't get as loud as the older SM generation (35 vs. 33 dB(A) Idle). But also the fans themself look the same, so it will sound like that, but it may be not as penetrant than that.
Under full load there are some adjustments, too. The fans will not kick in as fast on full throttling while gaming, because i think they set the temperature threshold a little bit higher.
That would fit to the little bit higher temperatures under load.

In the notebookcheck forum someone told me, that his new Schenker W504 (P150SM-A) generally sounds like that on idle, but unfortunately he can't make a video (cause i showed him mine).

 

I'm going to go against the general sentiment in this thread and say I believe Clevos are too loud.

I've used 3 Clevo laptops: the P150HM w/ 670M, W230ST w/ 765M, and W110ER w/ 650M.

The 15.6" P150HM is way too loud, in my opinion. Anything even slightly intensive, like Steam or web browsing w/ several tabs open, kicks off the fan. It's clearly audible in any quiet room, even when doing only light activities. When gaming, it is loud enough to be distracting unless you put on headphones (I usually prefer not to use headphones, so this is annoying). The problem with this is that if you live with other people, they can be bothered by the noise.

The 13.3" W230ST is a little better. It still got loud while gaming, but it was a more reasonable level. The problem here is bursting. Periodically, the W230ST fan will randomly burst into full speed for 1-2 seconds and then shut off. This is very audible and the inconsistency makes it distracting. AFAIK, the new model (W230SS) still has this issue. There are settings you can use to minimize bursting, but the user shouldn't have to toggle between settings to minimize something that shouldn't be there in the first place.

The 11.6" W110ER is the only exception. I think its fan profiles are perfect. The computer is dead silent and only ramps up when doing something obviously intensive. When I shut off a game, the fan turns back off almost instantly. It's absolutely perfect.

IMO, Clevo should focus more on minimizing noise. It doesn't seem like they've progressed much in this area at all. A graceful laptop that can truly be used anywhere needs to keep quiet. Everyone knows that a gaming laptop needs to have noise output, but I'm tired of people using this as an excuse for Clevo. Plenty of other companies build graceful and quiet gaming computers that are powerful nonetheless. Razer and Asus come to mind especially.

Obviously, this is a subjective topic. Most people on this forum will tell you that the noise does not bother them. I am telling you that I feel otherwise. These laptops are much louder than comparable brands and I don't feel comfortable using them in public places or quiet rooms with other people.

[edit] Of course, I don't mean this to be a blanket statement. Low to mid-range Clevos fare better with noise and I haven't used the new Maxwell cards yet. The Maxwell 860M seems promising. IDK how your workplace is, but most workplaces I've seen can handle a bit of noise from a computer. The areas that I don't like using louder Clevos at are places like shared bedrooms, classrooms, and libraries.

 

The member "Deflector" described it as a "high pitch noise" and i have to agree with that. In quiet conditions the notebook was clearly audible on (with "clearly" I mean, you will easily notice, that there is a computer running in your room or in the neighboring). And the next thing is, that the CPU fan spins up randomly, if the CPU reaches a specific temperature limit, so it is not a constant level of noise - this could be distracting. (on-off-on-off)

This is the negative aspect of this clevo (and similar). Under heavy load you would expect quite high noise levels of course.

 

@WCFire
Thanks for a very informative post. I still consider Schenker as an option but will wait until notebookcheck review comes out before deciding on buying one. However, the fact that they cannot get their fans under control in a bigger chassis, as apparently they can in a smaller 11.6'' package, does not inspire much confidence in Schenker.

 

think you need to rethink your wording.
you are picking out one supplier in the world that supply clevo laptops. you need to direct this to Clevo and not Schenker/mysn themselves.

also comparing the great but sadly discontinued 11.6" to the P series is almost impossible to do as the HM/EM/SM laptops had much higher graphics spec and of course gave out more heat which in turn needed more cooling.

 

870m should be fine. 880m, it's borderline. If you want just get the Dell PA9E and one of these adapters: X75 Power Connector - 7.4 x 5.08mm Female Jack to 5.5 x 2.5mm Male Plug

Keepin in mind that the PA9E is 19.5V where most of the Clevo's are 19V. It shouldn't be a problem, but just as a note.

Clevo needs to move away from the small barrel connector, and go to the larger one because the 5.5/2.5mm one I believe the wire gage and connector support 180W max. They need to move up to the larger barrel or go with the 4-pin like the 17-inch. And to be honest, the 17-inch isn't much bigger or heavier than the 15-inch, basically 2 inches wider and 1.5lbs heavier. I know they probably want to make the 15-inch more portable with a smaller/lighter PSU, but their PSU's honestly are not that light to begin with, and if it's underpowered, they need to address that. At stock speeds, the 180W pushes the limits with an 880m, and over time probably isn't the best for the PSU.

As far as fan noise, most of the Optimus ones are decent, but yeah they need their fan profiles updated to ramp up as opposed to bursting on. If you're willing to flash your BIOS, Prema's mod improves on this a bit, at least I notice it on my Clevo W230ST.

 

I got the upgraded CPU (4810) with the 880M GPU. My PSU under load is sufficient with a small handful of wattage still available. If, however, I went to 4910 or the 4940, I agree the PSU likely would not be sufficient.

What I have noticed is in extreme gaming with a lot of distant artifacts, my GPU runs around 92c (before the fans kick on and drop it back down to the 80's), which makes me uncomfortable. For most gaming (like even Skyrim on ultra) it sits around 82c. I think the issue is the artifacts of the other game at the viewable distance is just causing the rendering engine to pant, and likely as the game is still in beta, it's not been optimized.

Regardless, I'm getting a laptop cooler to shave off 5c from that number so I will feel more comfortable, even though I believe the GPU is rated at above 95c (likely around 100c) before any thermal damage happens to it.

Yea, the 8258-S is pretty quiet. I ran a test with the fans running full out, and while loudish, it wasn't distracting. Probably low to mid 40's for decibels at full load (from what I could determine).

I did pick up the dell psu and adapter you suggested though incase I ever decide to overclock my rig or update the GPU and/or CPU later in its life, because as you said, the PSU is pretty much at the limit with what I currently have.

 

If you run the 4810 and 4910 at stock settings then they'll pull the same amount of power (47-57W). It's only when you push them that the 4910 starts drawing more power (I've seen my 4900 draw 120W during a few XTU runs). In any case, if you tried running 4 GHz on your 4810MQ, you'll be pulling much more than just 57W, so a 180W PSU won't be adequate either way.

 

Good to know.

That is what i do not like is the quick bursts up and down, i prefer a constant. My office was our server room for ages and i had no issues with the constrant fan noise, it is the revving up and down up and down that drives me mad. My uncles bought a Dell XPS 17 3 years ago and it does that all the time!

 

Agreed. It is not the noise itself but the sporadic shifts in noise levels that gets to me. My old Sager had this issue, my Alienware did not. I'll be investigating the fan operation on the new Sager as soon as it arrives. Hopefully, the fans can be leashed by means of software.

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I have owned a P151EM, a P150HM, and a P370EM, which is what I use currently.
The P151EM was mostly silent while doing anything but gaming, due to the Nvidia Optimus, however... The 670m was a Fermi card, despite only being 75 watts, these things can produce a lot of heat, thankfully anything you'll get now, will at least be kelper, I moved onto a P150HM with an AMD 6990m, which was about just as loud, even with no Optimus/Enduro, the 15 inch laptops actually get louder than the 17 inch ones, as a side note, my P370EM with a 7970m is actually a decent amount quieter.
I've used an old W880CU before, which was 17 inch, and had a Nvidia 480m, which was very quiet, even when cryptocurrency mining, it's my secret to earning around $250 in bitcoin through Dogecoin earlier!

I'd say the Notebookcheck reviewers are over-sensitive in regards to noise, but I otherwise believe their reviews are some of the best, just don't get a P570WM, or something else with a desktop processor, and expect not to hear a jet engine.

 

Did someone say a jet engine?

 

This.

I have a Sager 8258-S.

I turned my fans on max with the hotkey application.

The noise really isn't that loud. I can listen to normal TV with it blowing max, and not be distracted from the TV. The fans are noticeable with the TV, but it doesn't distract from it.

For the loudness of the sound, best thing I can think of for comparison.

Extend both hands all the way forward, and rub your palms together quickly. The sound that makes is a bit louder than the fans are on max.

Otherwise, sitting surfing the web or day to day, there's no sound out of the laptop, or if it is, it's literally a whisper (level 1 fan). Most games do level 2 or level 3 fan, which is barely noticeable. I don't know what max fan is, but it's either level 4 or 5.

I've yet to hit it on the most demanding game I have (Thief 2014).

Infact, here's a sound test for the fans on high with my NP8258-S Sager laptop. See for yourself how quiet the fans are, all considering.

[video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7TRv-0hgRARNjhXcE9Eb25MX0k/edit?usp=sharing[/video]

You'll see it actually is quieter than the asus video above posted by VSSS.

Oh, specs of my Sager 8258-S.
GeForce 880M (8G)
4th Gen i7 4810MQ quad core processor
16G memory
7200 RPM 1TB Drive
Bluray burner
95% gamut screen

 

Appreciate the video Ashen.

The sound you recorded sounds very similar to what I hear on the P150HM on light loads. I would be impressed if that was really what the max fan would sound like IRL, especially since that implies actual use cases would not even get that loud.

That aside, I tend to agree with Notebookcheck when they speak about fan noise. After all, on this forum we tend to discuss things on a subjective level of "too loud" and "not loud at all," where everyone really has different opinions on what "loud" is. Notebookcheck actually measures dB noise levels consistently across machines and I believe that to be the most objective methodology we have to go off.

To me, "loud" is when a roommate can come home, shut the door, and without even looking at me, be able to ask "What game are you playing?" judging strictly by the noise level in the room. That is what the P150HM does. To another person, "loud" may refer to the computer's ability to drown out a television. Ashen's video shows that his 8258-S can't do that, but honestly the P150HM wouldn't be able to do that either.

[edit]
Notebookcheck measured load sound of the P150SM to be about 47 dB and max fans to be ~53 dB.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Clevo-P150SM-One-K56-4N-Barebones-Notebook.113677.0.html

That would sound roughly equivalent to rhutor's video at ~18 seconds in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

I understand the P150SM should be very similar to the P157SM-A, which is Ashen's machine. The big difference here is that Notebookcheck's machine uses the AMD M290X instead of the 880M. I'm not sure how those two cards would compare to each other. While I don't consider the sound produced by Ashen's video to be loud, I do find the sound produced by rhutor's video (at 0:18) to be loud.

 

Yea, honestly, I'm not sure either.

I just know that putting my laptop through similar noise tests to the P150SM's ~53 dB shows my laptop is a fair bit quieter. Rough guess, I'd put it at around 42-45 dB max, but it's just guess work compared to noise tests on other laptops that had a similar noise level. I'd say it compares fairly well with the Asus.

 

taking video's of fan sounds is almost impossible to compare as no two rooms are the same size,one computer could be facing a wall and will rebound the sound compared to another which has loads of space behind it. video camera's might have 5.1 mics compared to standard mono mic's. the only way to get true readings with a video is if everyone had exactly the same camera, and was exactly the same distance away from the computer etc.

 

I honestly fully agree. I just didn't see the 'jet engine' noise that a lot of videos on youtube are pushing that the sagers have. Granted, they generally have a decent noise to fan ratio when on high, but I wanted to show that it doesn't distract from day to day listening events in the normal hearing range.

For a desktop processor and a top of the line video card, I think the noise is more than reasonable.

 

ASUS is a Premium class when it comes to cooling

 

I had an Asus, G51 actually. I'm on the second video card since the primary burned out from overheating.

Maybe newer Asus systems have improved on that, but I'll stick with the Sager all the same, especially since the components are user-replaceable and doesn't require dismantling the entire laptop to replace a video card, or void the warranty to re-paste the cpu/gpu if ever required.

I'm not going to knock the Asus on the cooling or noise levels. Yes, they're quite nice. But they're also pretty strict in keeping to the pre-defined configuration to achieve that exact cooling and noise ratio.

Even if the Sager 8258 is slightly noisier (which I think is debatable at an audible level to be noticeable), it's also not bad in noise and cooling, far from being scoffed at in any regard.

It boils down to preference and what type of audiophile considers noisy or not I guess as well as what options they want for overclocking, warranties, or upgrading.

For each their own.

Statistics are also subjective.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/56...s-rog-g750-gaming-notebook-review/index2.html

Based on that, extended use of the laptop resulted in extreme heat. I'm playing witcher 2 for hours, and I can put my hand on the laptop keys and it's cooler than my normal hand temperature. So we'll consider it comparable.

However, also stated on that web site, the GPU got into the middle 90c's, which the Sager so far never has gotten to.

And if you look at that site, pay careful attention to the results of the 17" Eon. You know, the one running 10 degrees cooler? Yea, that's a Clevo brand.

The internal temps showed somewhat higher which while confusing, we'll give to the Asus.

So based on real world testing, Clevos run cooler than the Asus (by a significant amount) at the case, but higher temps internally, which shows that statistics are subjective.

My guess in real world testing, the noise levels are also closer than Asus would like you to believe, too, as the 45 dB (much higher than the 34 dB stated) would show.

Food for thought.

 

I'll agree that for the cool:quiet ratio, Asus can't be beat. However, the tradeoff is you lose pretty much every bit in upgradeability. CPU is soldered, so no opportunity to snag an Xtreme edition a year or two down the road when prices drop by 60% or more; GPU is proprietary MXM so can't upgrade. And in order to do a repaste or even clean out the fans, you have to do a complete teardown, which isn't all that easy and will take a good 20 minutes or more.

Whereas for Clevos pretty much everything can be upgraded, and it takes literally all of 30 seconds to unscrew 4 screws and pop the back panel off to do cleaning/repasting. Not to mention at the same price point, you'll get a lot more from a Clevo than an Asus.

Of course, if you consider yourself noise-sensitive, and don't mind or don't care for upgrading components, then go with the Asus. If you want the best bang for buck, and like tinkering with your machine, then Clevo can't be beat.

 

Hello, I think I do not know what you're writing, Clevo sagaer from I7 4810 not suitable for usage in a quiet place at work, because they are loud!

 

Looking at that heatsink, it seems the fin density is higher than what Clevo has. I remember someone over at TechInferno modded a Clevo heatsink to have twice the fin density, and the temps dropped by more than 5C.

 

As my boss and current work mates have not complained, and the fact the Dell desktops that they tend to have are louder than the laptop, I have to respectively disagree.

And yes, 30c for an idle laptop. Bravo. I also noticed you didn't have the keyboard back light on which tends to raise that ol' thermal temp a wee bit. I could show the same for my sager right now surfing the web. The link showed a much hotter laptop case for heavily running systems over a period of time.

But we can agree to disagree.

You're arguing perception, and viewpoints. As yours differ from everyone else's, it's a moot argument and worthless to go on further.

The environment the laptops are ran, the calibration of the fans, how the thermal paste was applied, how the copper sinks are sitting, even how the copper heatsinks were made, any flaws or strengths in fabrication of the GPU or CPU, any flaw in the case design, any venting issue that marginally blocks the air, how many background apps you have, how you tweak your settings in-game, how you set your GPU and CPU settings, how you underclock or overclock the system. Hell, even room humidity will affect the overall results.

Every single system is different, and is fairly pointless to compare. To prove that, the varying difference in sound noise in videos should point to that great enough.

I showed volume in a video. It greatly differed from yours. That, is perception. And don't insult me by saying I'm not knowing what I write, as it belittles both of us. We're better than that. Having owned both an asus and a current sager, I feel I have a good grasp on things, mmmkay? Thanks.

Besides, want real noise in a computer? Let me boot up my very old Ultra-Sparc 420. Thing sounds like being at an Indy-500 race (average 70 dB idle). I made the mistake of having it running 24/7 for a month. Didn't like the $500 bill on electricity. SPARC... thirsty processor. Probably didn't help that it was kicking out more BTU's than a floor heater. Floor heater kicks off maybe 5100 BTU/hour. Sparc ultra-420 (fully loaded, so a bit over twice the 2100 rating) kicks off about 4800/hour. Scary isn't it

 

and you had G750JZ at the use? , No I do not think you had, would recommend to everyone what they have a problem with schenker, sager, Clevo laptop to Compare Asus (under stress and Idle), and here, your world will change,
I´´screws Clevo models more of you, I had too few ASUS also Alienware, ASUS prevails today in IDLE Alienware is just loud as ASUS
Please do not look at the positive points schenker sager or Clevo because no such! , Everyone appreciates the quiet and efficient laptop, we all knew a long time ago with with new GTX will be warm, ASUS changed to copper cooling, and it got Clevo schenker sager? did not do anything,
What do you give XM CPU for P177 or P37X, nothing you can not because the cooling is weak, it will Noisy, of course, the new Hotkey is Max Speed ​​for fan hahah and this was completed update of the new model,

and the keyboard is fully automatic, switches off as it is not used after tens of seconds, turn on as you move the mouse or use the keyboard start, max Temperature housing stress (1h playing) measured 33 ° C in a place where the graphics card , the GPU T°C Max 80°C

 

*sigh* surfing the web, the fans never go on. In fact, day to day, the fans do not come on..

Running applications, fans go into level 1. Level 1 is like breathing. It's that quiet.

Playing games, it goes to level 2. Sometimes level 3. I have not yet had the fans go full tilt, regardless of what game I throw at it. Thief 2014 and Witcher 2 on ultra don't kick off the fan on max.

Cooling on the GPU averages 84c on spikes, tends to hover in the mid 70's (76 or so).

CPU never gets above 78c.

But yes, guess your right, the Clevo cooling sucks

I've owned two Asus laptops. The G51 (mine), and the G75 (my wife's). Both died in 2 years with the GPU (on both of them) overheating. The GPU temps on both getting 97+. The G51 having the 360M, and the G75 having the 660m. Even taking good care of them, blowing out the vents when I could, the damn things overheated and fried themselves.

Were the temperatures outstanding in the first year and a half? Absolutely!
Did they start sucking after that? Absolutely.

So sorry, after two lemons, I'm staying away from Asus.

You've had good luck with it, good for you. But don't pretend others have had the same experience, ok?

I mean, it's not like others have had overheating issues with Asus products...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?32597-Asus-G75VW-GeForce-GTX670M-overheating

And also, apparently the 750 gets a lot of their remarkable cooling due to aggressive CPU and GPU throttling when temperature thresholds are met.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46202-Asus-ROG-G750JW-Temperatures&country=&status=

I'm sure Clevo would stay in the 70's as well if they started to throttle back as soon as the CPU and GPU hit near 80c. Oh wait, the Clevo can basically do that now, and doesn't have to throttle. Huh.

Me? I appreciate a laptop that can last over 2 years, and can do so without basically ripping its own brains out to keep from overheating. Asus can't seem to do that. Sager from what I've read can. I'll put up with a small increase in noise to a 7 year lifespan, and a vast improvement in performance.

Seems like a fair trade.

So much so I'm replacing my wife's recently dead, burned out husk of a crap piece of Asus laptop with a Sager 8258 for herself as well.

 

lol cooling is weak

The G750 runs cool is because it has a 4700HQ for a CPU. When I swapped out the 4900MQ in my Clevo for the 4700MQ, my temps never inched past 73C even during XTU benchmark and with an ambient temp of 25C. And this is with +200 OC on the 4700MQ. So yeah some weak cooling that is

 

To throw my 2 cents in. My new P170SM-AS with 4810 and gtx870m runs pretty quiet. Little to no fan noise browsing the web... Gaming doesnt kick the fan to full, even in Metro 2033 on Ultra settings. And after a -50mV under clock, it keeps full boost frequency under stress tests and games.

Highest temp I've seen is an 84 C peak on the GPU in Metro 2033. The CPU stays around 65 C in games, and 78 C in prime 95.

The florescent light buzz is louder than this laptop. And when the fans do come on, they ramp on nicely, and don't just jump to full blast.

So I vote no. Not all Clevos are noisy. The new ones are quite reasonable.