Are all Schenkers / Clevos noisy?

My p177sm-a isnt noisy even when gaming. Yes I can hear the fans but its barely audible.

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look at the world wide... :thumbsup:

 

I have a W370ST which I think is the Sager 7370.

'out of the box' it was pretty awful,anything above low/moderate load it would burst to 100% which was loud, like, antisocial if used in a room with anyone trying to do something vaguely quiet, reading, watching tv etc.

It turned out my extra £12 for 'extreme cooling' paste was wasted, as only ~70% of the CPU die surface had come into contact with TIM. After a repaste, as you could expect, it became quieter. However, playing games or stressing the CPU with 3d modelling etc. it would still get loud, after a while at ~80% fan speed it would also get stuck on, same if there was lots of HDD activity - the fan would burst on and remain there, sometimes even ater a restart.

I initially really regretted buying a Clevo. my old dell inspiron 7110 that it replaced had a far better fan table, even under sudden heavy load the ramp up in speed had a smooth acceleration/decelleration curve to it. it was still an I7 but only a 525m graphics card so it's not apples to apples.

If i were buying a clevo/schenker/sager etc. tomorrow? I'd make sure there was a prema bios mod (or any other unlocked, improved bios) available for it. I don't know what the guy has done with the fan tables - whether they're lifted from other manufacturers etc. but it's sorted out all burst and sticky problems. Additionally, it also retains the same load temps with less fan rpm - i assume someone has just spent more time looking at the efficiency curve of the fan. Either way, I now have a laptop that doesn't leave me treading on eggshells, wondering if it's going to blast to full speed any minute, drowning out conversation and really making it the elephant in the room.

I'd also repaste the CPU & GPU before even turning it on - it's staggering what a bad job people can do and pass off as QA checked.

 

All very good points. It seems the majority of the noise issues with the fans on Clevos were the middle-class systems or older previous year systems. They apparently have the bios tweaked out with fan settings now as there's a nice even ramping up (at least with the p157, and from what others have said, the p150 and p177 as well).

Hopefully, the upgraded fan effecency and ramping will be the standard moving forward for all clevo brand laptops, but we can hope

Sorry about the shoddy thermal pasting you had. To be fair, I've heard similar happen to other distributors and companies as well. Alienware, Asus, MSI, Clevo, there's always a human applying the paste, and human errors occur. No getting around that.

 

The shoddy thermal paste jobs are everywhere. Apple included. The person in the assembly probably doesn't give a dman and/or bad training. That's the reason the first thing I do when get a new laptop is repaste it. Heck, you think they're tell if the stuff they used is conductive or not?



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ASUS G750JZ ca 1h BF4 T°C HWINfo64 LINK , not everywhere need to improve thermal grease ,

not everyone has a craving to do it too, as we pay $ 2k this quality should be included in the price, Clevo EM was quieter as SM, SM model no longer fix, it is not possible to program the entire chip with the appropriate RPM for the fan,
Clevo like someone just uses it does not know they are the best laptops from ASUS
So I had a Clevo, as I use it I see that ASUS is a Premium equipment, Clevo is not ready for the Premium area, the Clevo: Change the Past, change FANS change Heatsinks, Custom Heatsinks, each time the test, after which who needs it? How do I buy a Laptop it must work properly, for Clevo Laptop repair kit should be added for the purchase,
also once I was blind as most of you, but already been cured, today as it buys equipment has to work properly without the high temperatures and is to be quiet,
ASUS G750JZ and I'm super-happy, and there was now silence under stress, not must wear headphones to hear the sound as playing games,

 

I had a g51j, ($%&¢ fireball. Too much crammed into 15.6 inches. It was still going till I road killed it. Sits on around 70c at under 20% utilisation doing HTPC duties. But do I go around telling anyone who'll listen all Asus' have woeful cooling? Come on.

If a Clevo is too noisy for you so you bought Asus well good for you. Enough with the confirmation bias. The noise my clevo makes - who cares, I have good headphones that are infinitely better than any laptop loudspeakers anyway.

Most Asus of the last 5yrs have been quieter and cooler simply because they have had 2nd tier gpus the x60M and x70M whereas Clevos are usually specced with the hotter more powerful x80M. Which needs bigger faster fan to cool. Deliberate tradeoffs.

 

I have no issues gaming with the internal speakers. I even ran them low due to being very late or early depending on who you are and I didnt even hear the fans over the speakers. They are audible in a quite room but nothing terrible or worrisome.

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Every system can have shoddy pasting shoddy hardware, dead-on-arrival systems. It happens. Human error, manufacturing defects, can't get around it. Unless you think Apple products are crap, and they have tons of RMA's.

Look. I had two Asus laptops. My wife had one.

All three have burned up from improper cooling. That's three for three. In about 2 years.
This is with proper care, air-blowing out the vents, swabbing what I can without ruining the warranty, you know, things I could do on the Clevo that is considered standard maintenance that would cause Asus to shun you? Yea, that stuff.

Two model G51's, one model G55. All three are pieces of crap. Unless you want to miraculously get me two 360M's and one 660M GPU for replacement to prove to me how good Asus systems are? Yea? Didn't think so.

You can preach to me all day that Asus's are best at everything, and I frankly won't believe you, because real world testing has proven to me that they are shoddy build specs, underclocked, inaccessable without tearing the entire thing apart, and frankly for heating, after running for a while, are absolute crap. I want something that lasts, not something that I have to throw away in 2 years. Ok?

Nothing you say will prove to me differently.

Why?

Because one bad laptop is a lemon.
Two bad laptops could just be a bad assembly or parts if gotten in the same period.
Three laptops, from different time periods, and different models?!?

Come on.

I appreciate your zealot fandom toward Asus. No really. I do. But please, pull it in. I'm tired of it, as I'm sure other posters are. We're tired of proving to you, in real world tests, that your assumptions with the new Clevos, are wrong.

I have not disputed you on the new Asus specs, but I'd also love to see those specs in 2 years, and see if what has held true in my 3 craptastic Asus doorstops prove true with the new one as well.

So while I and others have not disputed your facts on your new Asus, do not do us the disservice of disputing our facts on our new Clevos.

Clevo's have their issues, like every other distributor out there. I'm not going to say differently. But frankly they have more power, easier accessible hardware, easier to maintain, easier to replace or upgrade parts, and the build quality is similar enough to Asus, Alienware, or other 'mainstream' gaming rigs that it's a fairly moot point to debate it.

Asus works for you. Bully for you.

I have three laptop shaped door stops that prove otherwise for my own use-case.

Thanks, but I, and others, will stick to Clevo.

 

It should also be noted that VSSS has a P370SM with SLI Radeon 7970s which he liked to over clock and add custom heatsinks...

Sooo, my guess is that his machine runs a little hotter than your average laptop anyway. Please tell me, which Asus has SLI options? I didn't see any.

And to confirm again what these other folks are saying, our new single GPU Clevos don't seem to have a heat or fan noise problem.

 

people, whether ye wonder sometimes that everyone is different, everyone has a different plan for life, one will receive as a silent Clevo laptop, and the other the same laptop will receive as loud, if anyone of you have thought also about other Users, no! every one of you thinks only of himself, if MSI was supposed quiet and efficient laptop that I had a test today is the ASUS Premium, bearing Clevo and Asus know what to write, who are interested in SLI as someone looking for a single GPU? Alienware has also SLI and class is better, Alienware is also better cooling as P37X, better service, and would not stared Clevo approved equipment is good but there are better, if Clevo was quiet it certainly would not have tested ASUS,
what's wrong with someone writes the truth? , Yes upgrade is also important, but Clevo is usually the max to two RV is it important to dispute it? in Clevo two RV max 2 years as a laptop today has a high performance, two years also will continue to efficient,

 

Honestly it's a non-issue as Asus and Clevo cater to different types of buyers.

Asus is more for mainstream gamers who don't enjoy/want to tinker with their machines, and just want something that works out of the box. I mean, have you seen the disassembly video for the G750? 20 minutes of unscrewing just to do a repaste of the CPU and GPU? What was Asus thinking?? To me that is utterly unacceptable for a performance gaming laptop, where regular (sometimes even monthly) maintenance is crucial to its longevity. Not to mention soldered CPU crap and proprietary GPU, which kills any possbility of upgrade down the road. But sure, if you don't care for any of that and just want a quiet gaming laptop, then yes the G750 fits the bill.

On the other hand, if you're a power gamer, and don't mind an extra 5dB of noise, there's absolutely no reason to buy an Asus. All the issues mentioned above aside, Asus is overpriced for what it offers. I remember pricing a G750-JH (with a SINGLE 780M) and a Clevo P370SM with DUAL 780Ms. The P370SM cost $200-300 more, and you get an extra 780M for that price. Not to mention you're no longer stuck with a wimpy 4700HQ that will really bottleneck CPU bound games.

And if you want the most power you can cram in a mobile form factor, then you have all of TWO choices -- Alienware or Clevo. None of the other brands even come close to what those two can do.

tl;dr Noise bothers you? Get an Asus and don't look back. Want the most power and bang for your buck? Get a Clevo.

 

I know one thing. Some people receive different quality of service from alienware. I'll take sager's solid reputation of customer service and warranty over alienware's random service. You would think it would be better with the higher price they command but it is not so.

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quality HS by Clevo
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these are very small things but these shortcomings are many, maybe in the U.S. is better Quality but in Europe it is tragically

 

Funny that Alienware is being mentioned. Most of the arguments for justifying Alienware's price is that it offers the best warranty (NBD in-house), and the build quality is superior.

Now the really interesting thing is, if you head over to the AW forums and look through the threads, you'll see quite a few complaining about the customer service, and even about the in-house service. In fact I've even seen a couple go as far as saying they won't let the techs near their laptop because they don't know what they're doing, and they'd rather have the parts and do it themselves.

Now to be fair, Dell does seem pretty lenient on sending out replacement parts, or even replacement units. But this isn't exacly a fair comparison, since Dell is a huge corporation, and most of the Sager/Clevo resellers are "boutique shops". What's chump change to Dell could be significant operating costs for the resellers, they simply don't have the financial resources to compete. And if that makes Dell "better", so be it. Because they're not actually better, they just have more money to throw around and less to care about.

 

I think a lot of that is the Grass is Always Greener symptom. Few people will post if things 'go right'. Only if they 'go wrong'.

It's why when my first Asus burned out, I tried again, because I, at that time, have always had good luck with Asus products especially their well known motherboards.

Then the second asus burned out... and I was being concerned. Then my wife's asus burned out and I was... frustrated.

Which is why I refuse to touch them now. Who knows, maybe I had just rotten luck, maybe I ran across what VSSS mentioned with his run-in with a clevo distributor, maybe it was just really crappy build quality for those systems.

Who knows. All I know is the end results.

And that is 3 dead asus laptops.

Which is why I'm now trying Clevo. Maybe in a year or two, the same thing will happen, and I'll write off all gaming laptops as crap, but until then, we'll see how it goes.

 

It's hard to judge mass produced products from such small sample sizes, every company will have problems, it's how they react when they do that impacts me the most.

 

^yes thank you

When I was shopping around for a Clevo, quite honestly all the resellers were pretty much the same. Then I decided to spend 2 weeks on just the reseller subforum, and like you said, it's only when $h!t hits the fan that companies show their true colors.

 

It's very important to look at those cases when choosing who to go with.

 

i wouldnt touch alienware again with a barge pole even though its now dellienware.
3 months wait for a m15x and 19 days of pure misery and every single day onto tech support. after 19 days they refused a refund even though i was promised the no questions asked return had been extended. sent it in for repair instead with a fried cpu and gpu. 8 days later they returned it and it was someone elses laptop with their nameplate on it and all their files still on the hard drive. thankfully because of their cockup i got a full refund and bought a clevo in 2008 and my m860tu is still going strong today.
bought a P150EM 18 months ago to keep up with gaming and i certainly wont be buying any other make.

welcome to the clevo v asus fanboy club.

 

This. This is what I have heard from the majority of Clevo owners. That as long as they took care of them, they would last them in excess of 5+ years. That's what I'm looking for in a laptop, and I just couldn't get it with Asus.

*chuckle* so I'm beginning to see.

Me personally? I don't think I'm asking for much. I want a gaming laptop, that has good high-end specs, so that I can last for a long period of time, allows for optional upgrades or replacements without a full disassemble, and has a proven track record (barring the minority) of a very very long lifespan.

From all the research I did, clevo seemed like the animal.

Alienware, depending on the hardware, used to do it, but it appears when Dell bought them out, their hardware has gotten.. questionable... pity. Which is, again, why I went to Clevos, as I found the original alienwares used to run on the clevo chassis.

Sooo, that's why I'm a happy Clevo owner

 

Alienware has a call center here in Costa Rica and we have 2 people who work for us that used to work there, they themselves said never buy an Alienware, they always try to screw you out of warranty coverage or seldom actual fix problems and try to push the issue (claiming to have fixed it) until your warranty runs out.

 

Hi

Sorry for not replying to this thread sooner.

We actually have our own custom fan control in some of our laptops which you won't find in other manufacturers' Clevo chassis. For example, the P503/P504, P703/P704, P303/P304. But when some reviews are published, especially on websites such as notebookcheck, the review sample may be pre-production and therefore may have a generic EC; rather than the final modified version of the EC which our own engineers will develop.

As many people have said on this thread, it is impossible to have a high powered laptop without also producing a lot of heat. This heat needs to be dissipated, therefore fans will be noticable whilst the laptop hardware is being pushed. Sometimes the noise can be reduced or smoothed out, which is why time is spent to improve this. Ultimately, if you do decide to go ahead with your purchase and you are not happy with the laptop for any reason (including the fan levels), then you can let us know within 7 working days for a full refund!

 

Hutsady, would the heatsink upgrades offered by XoticPC make a significant impact on keeping Clevo/Sager/Schenkers systems running cooler?

 

I wouldn't say significant but they do help a little. If you're after the lowest temps possible then they are a good addition to the build.

 

I honestly don't think it's needed.

I got an 8258-S with the diamond paste, and my GPU has spiked to 88c, but it generally hovers in the78-82c range once the fans ramp up a bit (and they have never hit maximum yet for me).

The CPU (4810's) have never hit above 79c.

The games I tend to play are Skyrim, Left 4 Dead, Dead Island, Witcher 2, etc.

I honestly don't see them getting anywhere near the 'I need to drop the heating'. But if you're concerned, you can get a laptop cooler, it tends to shave 5-10c off any laptop.

 

Hutsady, Shen-Shugar - thanks for the info and prompt response!

Cheers!

 

I just got my P150SM w/ 880M.

Ashen-Shugar was correct. The machine is not as loud as the W110ER or the P150HM with 670M. During normal gameplay, it sounds like the video he posted earlier. The fans do spin up at lighter loads than I would like - the W110ER stays dead silent until I start doing heavy work - but overall I'm impressed at the improvement here.

 

Bit of a kick in the pants performance wise

 

CJSCOPE SX-550 here (= Clevo W350SSQ). It's surprisingly quiet when the fan is running at 100%, while my friend's P170SM-A is rather loud.

I put it on a cooling pad without fans, perhaps it's the lifting that reduce noise?

 

I took my 9377 off the cooling pad yesterday and realized most of the sound stayed behind and didn't follow the notebook in my hand! The cooling pad is louder than the notebook itself (at idle) which I didn't expect.