Bad score with my np9262

q6600
vista 64
4 gb ram
sli 8800's
raid 0 ..... 2 200gb


3dmark06.... 11930.... why?

Just saw justin put a post that they got 13100 and the difference was they had the q6700.

another thing .... why is it that when i have my mouse pluged in usb and i start the machine it goes to a black screen with 2 beeps

happened with my microsoft wireless mouse and my logitech g5 laser mouse

 

I believe the 8800's are crippled. but you should have gotten atleast 12.5-13k.

I get 11500 with 1card oc'd but maybe that is all we get.

I am very very dissapointed in the scored I have been getting and have found the m1730 to be graphically superior to our cards. and have done alot of tests to prove it.

try driver 174.31

but seriously. from what the m1730 people are getting.... over 15k.

I mean take away the quad core score to balance them -700 points and we are getting under 9.5k with 1 card. and they get about 11k stock.

 

you know what.

that score you have is about 12k it's about right with the q6600.

and it totally solidify's how pathetic I think clevo is = to dell.

 

oh dear this doesnt bode to well..!! and im getting mine today!! EEEEKKSS!!

 

^^^ I know what you mean.

I figured Clevo would Mop the Floor with Dell. whod of thunkit that Dell would totally take the carpet from under-us.

From all the results I have seen. We Will Never! beat the Dell. Ever.

Not even with volt-mods and extreme overclocking. it barely gets to 1 card stock in comparison to theirs and I'm talkin quad vs x9000

and like I said Graphically is what matters right?? thats why we got these notebooks aside from the odd person doing CAD....

and without the quads our 3dmark scores would make you Cry!!! if we had the x9000 we would be getting 700 less points to dell with the same processor and 1 card to compare.

I hate to spread this around but from the research I have done over the past week it's TRUE.

 

I'm going to put xp on my machine what drivers should i get for the 8800m sli

and where can i get them

 

You know what is sad is that when the 9262's were being sold but not shipped there were several posters from the resellers. Where are they now? Where is Justin from XOTICPC with his timely information about this obvious shortcoming of their touted Monster DTR?

 

you know I wish this wasn't true but I have clocked my system to the limits of the GPU.

and it doesn't come close to stock scores 1 gpu of m1730 is getting with a weaker processor.

Like I said. If I had the same processor as the dell... say x9000. my score would be 700 points less. and that shows that the Dell @stock beats my clevo overclocked voltmodded to the aboslute max.

very very dissapointing.

they screwed the pooch with these cards.

I mean the hillarious thing is that the quads inflate the scores 700-1000 points so it's not real realistic portrayal.

even if sager is getting 13k @stock q6700

then take away 1000 points and that's what you can go against the dell with. and We have to compare against the dell because for alot of folks it was/is between dell/clevo for performance.

 

Is this something that with new drivers Clevo can fix? Im ready and set to order a Q6700/8800 SLI/4GB ram but am having second thoughts after reading this stuff. Obviously the Dell looks much better than the Clevo but im looking for something that I can use 3-4 years and still be able to play the most popular games at lower settings down the road. If the Dell had the quad card this woulden't even be a match for me. Im just concerned about getting a Duo right now and then having Quad games (at least a few) a couple years from now that would of worked better with the Quad. I also like to multi-task (mainly web browsing) and wonder if the Quad would work better there too. The only thing holding me back from the Dell is the fact that this will be my laptop for the next 3-5 years and having only a Duo when im sure major Quad support will be here bothers me.

Hmm...

 

probably not bud. drivers don't help that much. i mean things are running pretty good allready. but dell is better.. much better.

duo is fine bud. just fine... games don't need half the power of cpu's that are out these days.

I like my D901C! but i am very dissapointed in the cards.

and there is no real scene here. and very little peers to compare with and see results.

it's lonely.

If I could right now change my mind. I would get the Dell m1730.

I would rather have a clevo in a heartbeat. but Like I said.

if you want the best performance. Dell is your option.

Sad... but true.

 

??Not sure what point you're getting at....

 

That is not a bad result at all.

 

You should not worry about the processor, the 8800m will be obsolete long before the CPU becomes the problem. It is unlikely that you will be able to play games in 3 - 5 years with the 9262, after all Microsoft is already talking about DX11 in 2009.

Quad has no effect on web browsing, a dual CPU is more than powerful enough for all standard work. Quad is only useful in a handful of applications such as media encoding and some graphics 3D work.

 

"It is unlikely that you will be able to play games in 3 - 5 years with the 9262, after all Microsoft is already talking about DX11 in 2009."

The same with a XPS M1730 for that matter. Just to keep the facts straight.

Trance

 

I 2nd this, What point are you getting at? We are still here pcmw have something to add?

 

why did your machine get 13100
and mine only 11900.

I installed jericho last night and with the settings high and res. at 1920 1200
the game ran skippy. it played like my old m9750 did... not happy

 

now im glad i didnt go with the 9262 instead going for more portability with the 5793, i hope your issues get sorted.

 

CesOne, All systems are not identical. Windows Updates, running processes could be the difference. How about testing real world use and compare to our Crysis bench provided? Others have posted identical systems with different 3D Mark 06 scores.

 

can i have a link to see it....

Thanks

 

just asking ,,,,if i reinstalled the os do i have to set up raid 0 again or is it set up already

 

Raid is already set up, You can reinstall without affecting the raid. Here is link to the Crysis Bench I posted.

 

Hey justin ,, what is your intake on what dexgo said about the m1730 compared to the np9262

 

I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

@Justin:

Just 'cause I like open-ended questions, and 'cause I have my own jaded suspicions about these things: Given your position as a reseller, and not wanting to overstep the bounds of any applicable NDA, would you agree or disagree with the perception that _Dell, on account of its size, gets preferential treatment and assistance from, e.g., NVidia, with respect to availability and customization of hardware and fine-tuning of drivers that is not offered or provided to smaller companies such as Clevo (at least with respect to their own direct sales as opposed to their business of furnishing systems to OEMs such as _Dell)?

 

It is hard to comment or speculate on something such as this. I would think Dell get's a few extra perks from nVidia. As for availability or driver tuning / adjustment I believe they are treated equally.

 

That is what I think too. IMHO is not that they get perks in the drivers, but they get perks when building the hardware for the drivers. In the end of the day, as laptopvideo2go as proven, the drivers for mobile processors are quite the same as the ones for desktops.

The difference is realy in the hardware (components and architecture). As a Clevo owner I would prefer if they got perks on the first as would be an indicator that we eventually would have them in our systems in time with a simple download. But if they get on the second then ...

Trance

 

I've been wondering a little about that too (since I've such a jaded, suspicious mind when it comes to these things) - one of my (unproved, perhaps unproveable ) suspicions, based on the fact that the _Dell 8800Ms apparently have a performance edge over the Clevo 8800Ms and that the Clevo 8800Ms appear to have a tendency to downclock, is that _Dell has been getting the cream of the crop hardware-wise while whitebook outfits like Clevo have been getting the less than A++ stuff.

In other words, the hardware Nvidia has been sending to Clevo may need to be underclocked a bit and locked out of the upper end of the scale performance-wise because there are sufficient defects in the components that leaving them unlocked and overclockeable might cause too many failures (that doesn't mean that every single GPU in every single Clevo will fail if unlocked and overclocked, just that the risks are materially higher).

The fact that, as was recounted to us during the mobo/upgrade brouhaha, NVidia is now producing much more of the GPU in-house, leaving that much less to be customized/completed by the individual vendors, implies that any systemic variation in performance between vendors is more likely to be the result of actions and choices taken by NVidia rather than by each individual vendor.

 

I say we shoe horn this into a Sager and show those Dell queers a thing or two.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160222776452&_trksid=p2759.l1259

 

Ok, you bring the GPUs - now, who's going to volunteer their NP9262?

 

I do not know what the connection looks like in the 9262...
Justin got a picture?

 

This is from my 579x upgrade guide.

 

Yea I dont think it will work unless I get crazy.
Crazy with 4 grand is something I cant afford.

 

I have asked many people to put their results down on this forum over the past couple weeks. just read the threads. I have put down many many benchmarks.

and there is many many dell benchmarks.

it's 100% clear me being overclocked @ my limit with a higher cpu score can't come close to the GPU scores in 3dmark to 1 m1730 with 1 8800m in single mode.

 

I think it is due to the fact that both 8800m GPUs are on the same card in the Dell, and have the SLI-enabling chip on the card as well.

Downclocking is a different issue, probably some bug in the drivers or incompatiblity with BIOS. I have resolved it on my 5792 by updating the BIOS to the latest version

 

Link me some.
I read through about 200 pages of the OFFICIAL: Dell XPS M1730 Owner's Lounge and have not seen a big difference at all.

 

You know I am not so sure about that.. I think its the drivers.
They came out with this 2x1 card when they came out with the 7950GX2's. I have them in my PC and I get similar performance from my card as compared to 2x7900's (which are the same card, just not mashed together).

And the performance was horrible when they first came out, it turned out to be all drivers in the end.

 

@CesOne I have forwarded this thread to Sager to review further. They have stated:

That score is about right on 3dmark06 default test, as per nVIDIA with our in house scores. Per nVIDIA, the reason Dell scores are higher is really due to them overclocking the X9000 processor @ 3.2 GHz vs. Q6600 at only 2.4GHz. According to nVIDIA the 3DMark scores are more based on GHz then how many cores, so having a quad core doesn't have any advantages there. However we should have advantages on higher res, as it shows in our 3dmark06 when benched at 1920x1200 and our Crysis score @ high res.

Sager doesn't have the game Jericho on hand right now, they will pick up a copy and verify these issues. nVIDIA has stated they are quite happy with Sager's system scores and have requested 2 units to send to them, so that they can be sent to anandtech and others for review.

Sager will locate a copy of the game jericho as soon as they can and verify the issues, and we will try to resolve the issues with Clevo & nVIDIA as soon as possible.

 

We need an unlocked BIOS so we can OC the CPU.
Then the Dell fanboys will be crying.

 

I am fairly confident that in the end the 9262 will dominate. It`s only a matter of time. Gaming results show it.
I need a 9262 SLi user to give me Crysis results,all high, 1920x1200.

 

Here is from a previous post, did you miss this? (w/ E8400)

 

Oh I know, I will hit 18k in 3dmark06.
I promise

 

I did not miss that Justin, but I wanted more scores,particularly ones with the Quads in it to make an average.

 

@eleron911:

The underlying problem may very well be with the drivers (although I'm sufficiently jaded that I won't give up on possibility that _Dell gets first pick of the h/w, too ). Particularly based on the stuttering problem that DFTrance was trying to deal with (and that has been reported by owners of other SLi'd systems), it seems to me that dealing with 2 cores (and two GPUs) is giving drivers fits - probably in terms of synchronizing interrupts and deferred procedure calls (IRQs and DPCs) with 2 or more devices (the GPUs) issuing IRQs and servicing DPCs and 2 or more cores capable of independently handling each IRQ or DPC (in particular, when one core can handle the IRQ, and the other any resulting DPC). That sort of a problem would probably only get exacerbated on a 4-core CPU like the Q6600 or Q6700. That, at bottom, may explain why, as Justin says, the difference lies primarily in the GHz; since the X9000 runs at 3.2GHz while the Q6600 runs at 2.4GHz, that may mean that the X9000 is just sufficiently more nimble at handling the IRQs and DPCs generated by the 2 GPUs, and that it suffers from fewer conflicts because it only has 2 cores instead of 4 on the quad-cores (yes, I know that many of the games don't utilize the 4 cores; however, a lot of the work of a driver, particularly DPCs, ends up getting pushed onto system threads, so-called worker-threads, not application or driver created threads, and thus would be run on the core(s) chosen by the OS, not the core(s) chosen by the app or driver, so even when running an application/driver that only sees 2 cores, you may have some spill-over being handled on the other two cores as the result of the driver handing off certain tasks to a system worker thread).

Bottom line probably is that the drivers are at fault and, given the relative newness of multi-core systems for this sort of use, those problems won't be worked out for quite a while. The developing consensus that SLi just really isn't worth the expense right now is probably right - unless you have an obsessive need to have bleeding-edge hardware immediately, you're probably better off saving your money and waiting until the kinks get worked out before investing in SLi GPUs.

 

@Shyster1 : Let me sum it up : the drivers need work.
I know firsthand how much a driver can do or NOT do for that matter.Wait until the waters settle down.

 

actually I thought about this and the tests prove than even stock its under and the overclocking in 06 doesn't do much

 

And people with wishfull thinking go ahead.

I am the absolute only one here in this WHOLE SCENE. that has done this research. and overclocked my card to it's absolute limits.

Please prove me WRONG!

I wish someone would.

But As it stands. my results speak for themselves

 

Who's antsy? I don't got a dog in this fight yet!

 

See my sig. I wont let you down.

 

psycroptik, your goal is 18k in 3dmark06? :laugh:

 

psycroptik

you are going to be dissaponted.

I know this notebook inside and out.

I know the bios like the back of my hand.

I allready pushed it as far as It can possibly go.

so guess what?

I know what it can do.

and it's below the m1730

it's sooo hillarious when people just say.. well his CPU is higher than yours..

but my CPU score is 700+ points ahead of him. and my score is equal.

doesn't that tell you something?

take away the 700 points. and we would have equal processors.

then we would be -700 from total score putting us 700 points below the allready low score and below the m1730's

wishfull thinking but I have fully grasped and have an understanding of my research and what it means.