Bad score with my np9262

I know what you are trying to say, but there are too many other variables that you are not looking at.

You are thinking too linearly between sm2, sm3 and cpu scores.
-700 here + 700 there, its not that easy.

If you had your processor OC'd to 2.8Ghz like his your scores would be close all around.

 

Oh and actually your CPU score is more like 1,247 points better then his.

 

yes but you don't understand.

the GPU score and CPU score are seperate.

ok?

the CPU is utilized equally on the GPU tests between machines. and only uses the cpu soo much.. ok?

yes if I overclocked my CPU it would reach higher.

but guess what??? we aren't talking about CPU's we are talking about GPU's.

the GPU score is higher.

as now my CPU score is infating the 3dmark score 700 points.

yes if I overclocked it it would be 1200 points.

that makes it even worse.

what I am trying to say is the GPU score is lower not the CPU.

frack. I can't believe only 3 people get this?

 

No I get it. Its just too hard to tell right now.
I have seen the sm2 and sm3 scores go higher just because of a CPU overclock.
I think you are making mountains out of a 300 point difference.

 

I assume people saw Anandtech's review of the AVADirect M570RU. Maybe I'm missing something, but single card against single card, the AVADirect was even with the M1730.

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3262&p=6

 

Now running X9000 in mine @ 3GHz

GPU's = stock

13496 3DMarks in 06 @1280x1024
11809 @ 1920x1200

I would run the tests @ 3.2Ghz but I like peace and quiet (fans are set to run full power @ over 3GHz)

me = very happy, and never regretted cancelling my 9262 in favour of the 1730

XPS M POWER! - kinda catchy like BMW M POWER

There's always ebay for those D901C's - but I fear you'll lose as much money selling them on as you would buying a new Citroen C5

I twigged onto this fact - just in time methinks

 

Sniff..., sniff...., something doesn't smell right.

 

dexgo, We are going to test a 5793 with a X9000 and benchmark it between no OC / OC1 and OC2 and see how the score breaks down. This will tell us if the GPU scores are actually affected by a OC.

And if you take any 3dmark06 score and break down the SM2.0 Score:, HDR/SM3.0 Score:, & CPU Score: if you add it up it doesn’t total up to the 3dmarks score.

 

Ummm, thats nice and all but Sagers are doing better then that. No OC.
Congrats you just over paid and bought about the ugliest notebook on the market..

 

thanks Justin!, it's always good to have contributions.

 

thier GPUs are more powerfull, our CPUs are more powerful.

 

It evens it out for now. Except for the price of course

 

In the interest of keeping this an informative thread, I hope we can avoid a Dell-Sager flame war. There are multiple companies in this space for a reason. Not only that, it's almost guaranteed that you'll be able to second-guess yourself any time you buy a tech product.

I think the nvidia driver we have is not the best and we'll see improvements. In the end, though, as you can see from the anandtech review I posted on the previous page, the clevos and dells don't seem far apart with respect to the 8800M.

 

I just priced yours and I paid 700 less, even with custom paint and a better warranty.

 

Ok, but when I hit 18k can I make fun of the Dell fanboys on their forum?
/waaaaaaambulance

 

I think you will be very very hard-pressed to even hit 15k bud.

but if you do infact manage to get the pll activated so we can overclock... who knows.

 

how much did you pay?

my 9262, Q6600, 4GB, NO HARD DRIVES, UK keyboard, SLi 8800, 3 year USA warranty only - came to $4170 - 3% discount = 4044.90 inc. $318 shipping.

Last I calculated - with Bank tranfer fees - came to £2047.00

When the laptop would have eventually arrived - I would have had to pay import duty (17.5%) which would bring the figure to £2400 (going on for $5000 at the current exchange rates!)

Now let's see, for my $5K I would have got a laptop, with no warranty whatsoever, as I don't live in the US

Now you say - better warranty, well how can a US only warranty compare to a warranty, whereas if I accidentally drop my laptop on the floor, Dell will just supply me with a new one of same or better spec! - not only that - it is a WORLDWIDE warranty - So how can Sager/Clevo compare with that???

Secondly - when I bought my XPS I took advantage of every deal that Dell was doing at the time - £200 off for starters, then 3 years Premium hardware support for the price of two, 1 year complete care and 10% off with free shipping!

When all said and done I got my laptop - WITH A WARRANTY - AND WITH HARD DRIVES for £1920 which is around $3840.

Look at the hard evidence on Dell warranties before you go pre-judging.

At least I have peace of mind cover whereas what would I have got with the Sager? Not only that but Dell will come out to my place of work, or home to perform repairs and if they fail to repair on the 1st visit I get a new notebook.

 

News flash: People in this forum that bought Sager know about a little company called Dell. For whatever reason they didn't want one. I know exactly why I didn't want one, but I don't feel the need to go around forums explaining why. It's hard to see how you have added any value in your last several posts.

 

heres something funny,

you know all of those people who had pre-orders for SLI now have SLI. and none of them.. well almost none of them are posting 3dmark results.

funny. I think because the numbers aren't that high

 

First off I want to say that I am not here to bash clevo or to say how much better the Dell is. I have been running tests for Dexgo because he wanted to compare and figure out his cards.

In my testing the CPU is NOT what is causing the disparity between the 3dmark scores. In overclocking my CPU to 3.4 and then leaving it at stock 2.8 my SM scores barely budged. The onyl significant drop was in the CPU scores. The first bench I ran the difference was only 16 points total in SM scores. I didn't get a screen cap and haven't had time to keep running them but I did get a screen cap with a 89 point difference in the SM scores. Which we can all agree is marginal at best. It can't account for the huge differences we are seeing here.

I will run some more 3dmark06 tests when I have a little time. I'm betting if I keep running it I will get SM scores that are actually identical overclocked CPU or not.

Again I'm not trying to start a flame war or E-peen contest just trying to help out by providing controlled test results rather than random people posting with stock drivers and installs, etc.

EDIT: You can see my 3dmark tests working with Dexgo in this thread.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=234162

 

Thanks Duane, I have been trying to tell people this.

there is Glaring problems with Clevo Cards. and I have been trying to shed some light on this.

 

That's what you get for living in the U.K., and for ordering internationally, and for being impatient and cancelling an order, and ..... (well, everyone can fill in the rest by now ).

Let's see, for a within-same-country comparison, I just configured a D'h'ell XPS1730 and a Sager NP9262 as follows:

• D'h'ell XPS M1730, from D'h'ell's online website:
  1. Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Extreme X9000
  2. _Vista Home Premium
  3. 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
  4. 17 inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WUXGA
  5. NVIDIA® SLI™ Dual GeForce® 8800M GTX with 1GB GDDR3 Memory
  6. 160GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) Free Fall Sensor
  7. CD / DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
  8. Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965a/g/n Mini Card
  9. 2Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor, 24x7 Phone Support
  10. Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
  11. AGEIA PhysX™ 100M Processor
  Pre-tax/shipping
  Cost:..........$4,563.00
  Shipping:...$0
  Taxes:........$382.17
  Total Cost: $4,945.17
  .
• Sager NP9262, from XoticPC:
  1. Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz w/ 4MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FS
  2. _Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed
  3. 4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory
  4. 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
  5. SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800GTX (1024MB Total) w/GDDR3 DX10 Video Cards
  6. 1x160GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 8MB Cache)
  7. Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive
  8. Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n
  9. 2 Year Parts & Labor Warranty 24/7 Tech Support
  10. Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
  Pre-tax/shipping
  Cost:..........$3,756.00
  Shipping:...$79.00
  Taxes:........$0
  Total Cost: $3,835.00
  .
• Total Difference (D'h'ell, less Sager): $1110.17

And no, the D'h'ell Coupons weren't working for this particular model, so no obvious discounts available for the taking.

Now, just between you, me, and the four walls (floor 'n' ceiling don't count ), I think I could find much better uses for that $1,110.17 than blowing it on dorky LEDs and a whack-job paint-scheme (sorry, folks, some elements of personal taste are unavoidable).

On top of which, as I peruse the D'h'ell fora and google a little, I find that all is not peaches'n'cream in XPS M1730 land, either, which tells me that, all in all, SLi 8800Ms are just not ready for prime time in any notebook. So, I figure why not save a little cash now for a rainy-day fund, and just go with one 8800M for now?

Pretty easy on the Sager NP9262, XoticPC lets me quickly change my config so I only have one (1) 8800M, giving me a savings of $695.00, so I still get solid 8800M performance, but now I'm only paying $3,140.00 for my Sager NP9262.

It's pretty easy on the D'h'ell XPS M1730, too, I just .... hey! Wait a minute! If I don't want Sli 8800M's I have to drop down to SLi 8700Ms or, heaven forbid, a single 8700M. Well, I remember all too well DFTrance's problems with stuttering on Sli 8700Ms, so I bite the bullet, and drop down to a single 8700M. That knocks $1,000.00 off the price, and with tax rejiggered, my total on the D'h'ell XPS M1730 now comes to $3,861.42.

But lordy, it looks like the baby got tossed with the bath-water , 'cause now I'm still paying $721.42 more for a gelded XPS M1730 with only 1 measly 8700M! Pay more, get less? I thought that equation was supposed to be the other way 'round - pay more, get more?

So, whatcha been smokin?

 

Or because they're spending too much time playing games and not hanging around here.

 

single 8800 is just fine, and overclocked very good.

when you compare it to the gains with Clevo SLI. the gains are minimal in retrospect.

 

if they could get 18k or even more than dell I bet any money. that they would be here to gloat

 

Once again I paid under 3500 pre tax for my fully loaded 1730. Dell's web prices aren't set in stone and they run promotions constantly. I could not have gotten the same config for cheaper in a sager that's why I went with the dell in the first place(well that and warranty). At the time I fully expected the 9262 to outperfrom the Dell marginally.

EDIT: Also Andy, please stop inciting the flame wars. It's making these discussions impossible because everyone has to whip out there yard stick and start measuring that E-peen when threatened. Let's just keep this to useful information if we could.

 

That just counts as more evidence that the problem is really with how the driver handles SLi - just as in DFTrance's situation, where 8700Ms in SLi caused stuttering. Try running Sysinternal's Process Monitor to see if you get a significant increase in DPCs when you run in SLi as opposed to when you run on a single 8800M.

 

In my opinion, it is unfair to use a price that the majority of people will not get, as a point of comparison.

Yeah, I may be able to get a hookup and get $1500 off but nobody else has this opportunity. you have to go by what is available. 5% off is fine and happens all the time. 20-30% is a deal and I'm happy that you got it.

 

Exactly my point actually. The majority of people aren't paying 4500 for their fully loaded 1730's. Pop on over to the owners thread and see that under 4k is no nearly unheard of.

Yes I probably paid lower than most people will, but 4500 is more than most as well.

Anyway I could care less, I only came over here to help Dexgo when he wanted tests run on the 1730. I don't need or want to promote it or any other brand.

 

Same here Duane, I helped Dexgo with the Dell 8800m GTX bios. Just following this forum to see what he problem could be. I assume a bios update could solve it for you guys. Driver problems I don´t think so. Have you tried to run with the laptopvideo2go´s drivers? Instead of sitting with the the drivers that came preinstalled.

 

This thread is closed, too much arguing.

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