Best Clevo/Evoc Model between these few?

Been looking at RTX 2070/RTX 2080-MQ laptops since they basically give about the same performance. Looking for a 17.3in screen because that screen real estate is really helpful for me. More portable the better of course, but not mandatory, just a nice to have. Performance comes first of course, but having a balance would be nice.

What I've found..

EVOC PB71EF-G - 17.3" Full 2070 with a 144hz 7ms G-Sync screen at $1884
What bugs me, I can't find any pictures or dimensions of this chassis for the life of me. Couldn't even find other brands selling models of the same chassis. My Google-fu has failed me. So I have no idea how well this cools, and how big it is.
Link: https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-pb71ef-g-rtx-2070.html

EVOC P970EF - 17.3" FHD Max-Q 2070 with a 144Hz 3ms screen at $1799
I know this is a Max-Q laptop, but after seeing Zil successfully flash his TongFang 15in laptop from MQ to non-MQ 2070 and get very good results, I don't mind flashing the vBios to get the full 2070. Honestly quite comfortable and confident that this will go well.
There's no G-Sync, but the screen has a faster response time, wondering which screen is actually better here. Now for this model, I have actually seen dimensions and pictures of from other resellers.. it looks very nice, and quite portable for what it is.
Link: https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p970ef-rtx-2070.html

EVOC P970EN - 17.3" FHD Max-Q 2080 with a 144Hz 3ms screen at $2259
Same chassis as the last one. Not feeling this one too much, unless the 2080 MQ can be flashed to a full 2080 with good results. Otherwise same/similar performance as the last two for much more cost..
Link: https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-h...n-17-3-fhd-144hz-i7-8750h-rtx-2080-max-q.html

Honorable mention
Eluktronics (TongFang) MECH-17 G1R - 17.3" Full 2070 with a 144hz screen at $1445
What the heck, this is way cheaper. I wanted this laptop, but after contacting them, I was told they don't offer shipping and warranty to Canada so I'm out of luck... Made me super sad. If anyone knows any cheaper alternatives to HIDEvolution for a 2070 (either MQ or non-MQ) laptop PLEASE let me know.
Link: https://www.eluktronics.com/MECH-17

 

I could have made this identical post.

The PB71EF-G is my top choice right now because it's a 2070 with gsync for under 2 grand (keep in mind the price doesnt include Windows). Despite what the HID website says, that model is not currently on sale yet which is why you don't see any reviews. The cooling/fan noise will probably be the determining factor. I believe the noteb website has this listed as an April release; hopefully it comes out sooner.

If that laptop doesn't get good reviews, then I'm also considering the Mech-17 or the 'Tracer III 17R XTREME VR 800' from cyberpowerpc (these may be the same underlying tongfang chassis, but I'm not 100% sure). If cyberpowerpc ships to canada, that's probably your best bet. My current laptop is a 17" cyberpowerPC with an 860m and it's lasted almost 5 years so far.

I would stay away from the MQ laptops.

I think for me it boils down to whether gsync is really worth it. I've never owned a laptop with gsync so I don't know what I'm missing out on - having said that, with a 144hz screen I prefer high graphics over lower graphics + higher fps, so if I can't hit 144 fps on AAA games I'm not sure if the experience will be lacking without gsync.

I'm actually impatiently waiting for HP to refresh their 17 omen with an RTX 2070. The 1070 omen was way, way cheaper than any of the other 'name brand' models, and the 17T has g-sync and a 144 hz screen. the 15T just got refreshed in the UK with the RTX cards but nothing in US yet.

Right now I'm basically playing isometric turn based games and I don't really care about the graphics, so as much as I finally want to upgrade, I'll probably wait until I see a great deal or if a must-play game comes out that my 860m can't handle.

edit: if you're willing to spend ~$2300, there's also this one with a newer processor and gsync -

https://www.gentechpc.com/product-p/sager-np9176-g2.htm

 

I dont mind going 2070 mq simply cause they can be flashed into a full 2070 and get full 2070 performance. As for the "newer processor".. isn't really comparable cause that's a desktop processor. I don't want one of those clevo desktop laptops cause they're huge and power hungry..

I guess I'm waiting to see how the PB71EF-G turns out.

 

I haven’t seen the threads about how you can flash the mq, but ultimately aren’t they generally in thinner laptops that would have worse cooling?

 

The PB series has not launched yet, so not a lot of info just now.

 

The tongfang and clevo laptops with rtx graphics out right now seem to all handle cooling the rtx graphics just fine. Zil is getting over 19k in firestrike after flashing his tongfang 15in 2070mq to a full one. From benchmarks I've seen, the throttling and bottleneck seems to begin with the cpu.
The 8750h seems to be harder to cool than any of the rtx graphics and also bottlenecking fps in a lot of benchmarks. I don't think those laptops are that much thinner since most of the clevo/tongfang rtx laptops out right now are already quite thin, but also have decent cooling. Can't speak for the PB series yet though .

 

Do you have any idea what type of chassis the PB series will be, like if it's a higher end one, a more premium one, a budget one, a more performance oriented one, will it be big, slim, or etc. relative to the current Clevo chassis that are out right now (P9 series)?

 

From what I understand, it's a thicker/bulkier chassis with full RTX GPUs (not Max Q). It's more performance oriented than "thin and light" models. It's the "spiritual succesor", if you will, to the P6xx series (which the P9xx series did not replace)

 

Cant speak about devices until they are released on the site.

 

Any idea when that will be?

 

Any thoughts on getting the big clevo 17.3in (Sager NP9176-G2 (CLEVO P775TM-G)) with the desktop 9600k cpu? Falls in line at around the same price as the PB71EF-G when both are configured how I want it. Wondering how much faster it would be having the desktop 9600k over the 8750h, how much extra mass I would be dealing with and if all that extra weight/size is worth it. I'll be ordering some time in April, so the PB71EF-G not being out yet isn't a big deal.

 

Hopefully it's out soon, but I managed to find a site with pictures and more details on the PB71
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=https://www.multicom.no/systemconfigurator.aspx?q=st:1500010180&prev=search
Actually looks pretty nice. Their configuration comes with thunderbolt (which has been missing from a lot of the Clevo/TongFang RTX chassis laptops we've seen) and the i9-8950hk or i7-8750h, so it likely has pretty good cooling if it can handle the i9.

Their listed specs:

• 17.3 "matt 144Hz display with Full HD resolution, 72% NTSC
• Intel Core i7-8750H processor 2.2GHz ~ 4.1GHz with Hyper-Threading, 6 cores / 12 wires
  or Intel Core i9-8950HK processor 2.9GHz ~ 4.8GHz with Hyper-Threading, 6 cores / 12 wires
• GeForce RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6
• Up to 32GB DDR4 2400MHz SO-DIMM memory (Dual channel, 2 tracks)
• Space for 2 PCIe SSD M.2 and 1 pc 2.5 "7mm HDD / SSD
• 802.11 ac / a / b / g / n wireless network card - Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 9560
• Bluetooth 5
• 10/100 / 1000Mbps network card
• Full-HD 2.0 Megapixel webcam
• Creative Sound Blaster X Pro-Gaming 360 with 7.1ch audio support
• Built-in microphone
• fingerprint reader
• 1 x HDMI 2.0 with HDCP
• 1 x miniDisplayPort 1.3
• 1 x Thunderbolt 3 - 40Gbps / USB 3.1 Type-C
• 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C
• 1 x USB 3.1
• 3 x USB 3.0 (one with power share)
• 1 x S / PDIF digital output
• 1 x Headphone output / microphone input
• Memory card reader (MMC, RS MMC, SD, mini SD, SDHC, SDXC up to UHS-II))
• Battery life: about 350 minutes (UMA mode)
• Removable 6 Cell Battery Lithium Polymer 62WH
• Full Range AC Adapter 230W 100-240V 50-60Hz 19.5V 11.8A
• Kensington lock slot
• Touchpad with scroll function, supports multitouch
• Size 399 x 275 x 29.9 mm (WxDxH)
• Weight: about 2.9 kg with battery

Some dimension (w x d x h) comparisons between the current RTX Clevo laptops:

P970
398.6 x 268 x 19.9 mm
Weight: 5.51 lbs (4 cell 62Wh)

PB71
399 x 275 x 29.9 mm
Weight: 6.39 lbs (6 cell 62Wh)

(Desktop CPU model, I forget the name)
418 x 295.3 x 40.9 mm
Weight: 8.6 lbs (8 cell 82Wh)

So about the same size width/length as the P970, just a little heavier, and thicker. Still much smaller than those portable desktop cpu laptops.
The P970 also doesn't have any models with the full RTX 2070, so I'm going to throw in the TongFang 17.3in model for comparison here too.

393.7 x 260.35 x 25.4 mm
Weight: 5.25lbs (3 cell 46Wh, some places have a bigger 4 cell 62Wh option similar to the P970 battery which I assume weighs more)

So I guess for the slight extra weight and 50% more thickness we get G-Sync, Thunderbolt 3 (maybe), possible configuration choice for the i9-8950HK, a full RTX 2070 and better cooling (probably).

Pictures:
https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10596094
https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10596095
https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10596096
https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10596097
https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10596098

 

Depth makes such a difference to cooling in terms of fans and heatsinks.

 

Cool thanks! 29.9 mm actually seems slightly thicker than the PA71, which hopefully means that some of the cooling issues from that laptop have been addressed. I really think this will be the laptop for me, if it ever comes out lol

 

Hey, the dimensions seem a little different from the PA71, do you know if the chassis has been modified or if this is actually using the same chassis as the PA71?

 

I can only share details on machines once they are listed.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...f-g-owners-lounge.826847/page-2#post-10869979
There are pictures, dimensions and specs from 2 more different sources in this thread so what you are seeing seems valid, the PB71 looks like an entirely new chassis to me

 

can you show me where zil describes flashing his tongfang to full max p

i ended up with that model you are describibg 970ef