Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
well hope Im not scaring anyone because its scaring me!
I need some help dealing with this because this is the second time Ive had a bluescreen when working in maya 2008. First time I thought because I had played around with particles, a very light scene but still, it felt very weird, and now the second time when doing just simple things. The bluescreen read something about physical memory being reached , cant make out anymore of it cause it then disappears
I dont know if the bluescreens are asscocieted with maya but any advice would be very much appricieted. I havent updated any drivers for anything, just the ones that came with the cd.
thanks for any help guys, please tell me that this is a software issue (xp) and not a hardware one, my temps are fine HD idles at 53 and everything else is fine.
thanks
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Hm, I'm running those (think you mean 178.13 - the posted Dox's sticky) and they seem to work fine
I think 177.xx (previous laptopvideo2go ones) were a bit faster in one game, but I have not had any problems at all. I say try out 178.13 + use Dox's posted .inf (just replace the 178.13's .inf with that one) and see if you get any blue screens. Whenever I get a blue screen, esp during games or graphics programs, I check to see how old my drivers are as the first thing; 99 times out of 100 new drivers fix problems, especially if it's 1) a newish card or 2) a newish program (and by the way I did get a blue screen playing Mass Effect with the stock drivers before I updated). Good luck!
Let's see... I actually found fairly recent (that is, more recent than the driver cd) drivers at Clevo's download site (haha - speed from taiwan is around 3K/s)), but for the chipset drivers I went to intel's site and for the Realtek drivers I went to realtek's site (more recent, mid september - I had audio crackling that was fixed).
Since you're running XP 32bit, are you running in AHCI/SATA mode (hard drive/controllers) (did you set XP up yourself?)? If not, this would be a significant improvement heat and speed wise. The chipset drivers mentioned above (intel matrix storage manager, aka "driver fix" posted for heat issues on these forums) are only installable in XP during setup and you need to slipstream/add the drivers to your XP bootable install disc for XP to detect them (or use a Usb floppy). I posted a couple of how to posts in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=292624&page=7 -
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Oh huh, I guess 179.13 IS out! That was fast. 178.13 was just posted a few days ago. You can try those and use laptopvideo2go's mobile chipset stock .inf or search around for any Clevo specific .infs written for 179.13 (in lv2go's forums). Either should work, and yeah, more recent is generally better as a rule of thumb for new cards.
Also, hm, I guess Clevo hasn't updated their drivers in a while I guess I don't recommend grabbing any of them from there then! You should be fine with the stock drivers (and/or until Clevo updates their page) for everything else, other than graphics, intel chipset, audio (Realtek's site - or let me find the faster mirror that was posted in a recent thread here). I haven't found any problems with any other drivers for this notebook (yet)
edit: Here we go, in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=304477 Much faster link than Realtek's download site, posted by theriko: ( ftp://61.56.69.18/pc/audio/WDM_R204.exe )
Go to control panel -> system -> device manager -> controllers; are you running (a couple of) IDE controllers, or does it list SATA controller? The hard drive that comes in this notebook is SATA (as is the cd/dvd-rw), and XP does not support SATA controllers/drivers natively (vista has them included, and no, they've never fixed this for XP just to cause people problems). SATA drives can be run in what is essentially emulated IDE mode, but that's 1) slower and 2) hotter in this notebook.
When you installed XP did it blue screen a few times when you initially tried to install it? Yelling about drivers and/or viruses? If so, that was XP not being able to find and load SATA controller drivers, and being unable to recognize the hard drive's interface. The setting eventually switched to XP mode/non AHCI/non SATA in BIOS for me and XP installed on a IDE mode hard drive. The only way to get an XP install to recognize SATA drivers for the SATA controller (and run your HDD and DVD-RW drive properly) is during XP setup. You need 1) intel's chipset drivers slipstreamed (or added, with a program called nLite) into the XP install disc or 2) a usb *FLOPPY* with a floppy disk containing the drivers, during XP install.
This should really be a sticky on these forums and/or the windows forums. "XP and SATA drives - how to get XP to recognize your SATA controller properly." There isn't one that I've found (right guys? >.>)
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After a lot of fumbling around and googling, I found this out (and yeah it's not listed in dxdiag or system device manager until after the proper drivers are loaded, yay?). The M860TU runs a Mobile Intel PM45 chipset (motherboard), and the onboard SATA controller (tells hard drive/dvd-rom what to do) is an "Intel ICH9M-E/M SATA AHCI Controller." Knowing this isn't a huge problem, as intel offers all its drivers in a bundled pack (unfortunately, in .exe form - you need to find the 'downloadable' or .zip format on intel's file (extract it, use nLite to add it to your windows XP install (as 'textmode drivers'), after you make an image of the install, burn it, set up XP with SATA drivers).
Andy's advice is also good; look at dump files / error logs - in case it's another software issue, or hardware (especially ram, ick), but usually I check to see if stuff is updated first, and hope it's a driver issue (as that's usually a simple thing to fix and faster).
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So yeah, sounds like the audio drivers are causing the blue screens, so do that first, but the following is highly recommended for other reasons (1) faster HDD performance - especially crucial for SATA2 HDDs, which are performing at under 50% transfer speed or more as IDE drives, 2) heat issues).
Apparently someone else managed to easily switch XP over to sata drivers just by going into device manager -> selecting IDE controller -> specify location of the driver (scroll down, I specified the location of the latest Intel drivers in a zipped format below), and rebooting and switching to AHCI mode. Try that first. It didn't work for me after multiple tries, and hasn't worked on other systems I've tried. Go figure (Microsoft's posted SATA + XP method is specified as pressing F6 during setup or a repair XP setup).
But yeah: set up a SATA slipstreamed XP SP3 disc and you won't have to worry about this on any future installs, so it's sort of a one time hassle.
This is how to set up an slipstreamed XP cd (which by the way you can set up to include all sorts of things, or remove parts of XP that you don't want);
(Here is Intel's help page on it by the way: http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-021701.htm - tells you what to do during XP install)
1) download nLite + install (it makes an ISO/image of XP, lets you add stuff or remove stuff from it, lets you save an image, then you can burn it as well, as a bootable CD). (obviously you need a valid XP disc, a burner, and a writeable CD)
2) Grab the latest Intel matrix storage manager drivers (= driver pack for all Intel chipsets) in a *zipped* file, meant for "Raid installation using the F6 method during XP install" : http://tinyurl.com/4cpunb (This is the hardest part, I think - Intel's drivers normally come packed as an .exe and all Intel pages lead to that one, which is useless for XP SATA controller setup). Download the "f6fply32_85.zip" file, extract it somewhere.
Now - TRY going to system -> device manager -> select IDE controller -> update drivers -> point it to the extract directory, select "ICH9M-E/M" from a list, reboot and hope it worked and allows you to 1) switch the BIOS to AHCI and 2) switches your controller drivers over to SATA. This did not work for me, and does not work for many people, but it's easiest! The following SHOULD be done anyway, so you have a future XP install disc that works on new systems/saves you hassle:
3) Extract your XP cd with nLite ("make an image" - first thing it'll ask you to do). Click "add driver," select the location of your extracted "f6fply32_85.zip" zipfile (location of the stuff extracted from it, not the zip file), and add them all as *TEXTMODE* drivers (should be 2 driver files) (important! nLite won't integrate the drivers right if you don't pick this).
4) Save an image of your edited/slipstreamed XP (adding stuff into an install process = slipstreaming it in) (you can add other drivers, or remove stuff if you want as well - I recommend adding in Service Pack 3 if you don't have an XP SP3 disc already). Other useful things to integrate into your XP install: audio & graphics drivers, any other drivers that came with M860TU's drivers disc.
5) Burn the image with nLite as a bootable CD.
6) Reboot, boot from the cd, press F6, select the location of the drivers (I think you have to do this still? maybe not, if it's slipstreamed and autorecognizes them - do it anyway to be safe). When it asks you for drivers, tell it the CD drive, and it should find controller drivers - select ICH9M-E/M, and do a repair install. Most of your windows settings should not change, but it might reset a few settings
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We are off-topic, yes, as noted in my previous post; the Realtek drivers (I posted a link to them on the first page as a general recommendation to update drivers) are the cause of the blue screens (and I think Go1kur gets that). Just helping him update all recommended drivers, and frankly multiple people ask about the XP/SATA thing, and a guide should be posted somewhere.
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Try updating/changing the driver for this Realtek device (red box). This seems to be the cause of the BSODs (Rtenicxp.sys).
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a quick update: I seemed to have misinterpreted some of the fallowing instructions given by Tarentum, instead of locating the downloaded zip file I just went along with what was on the list, and there was ICH9M-E/M as n option but it wasnt the downloaded driver. Now this is what I did and what happened
I went along with all the instructions but I had to chose have disk in order for me to find the correct inf file this time. So I did and chose iaAHCI.inf from the f6flpy32_85 folder. Warning comes up, system might become unstable and such. Clicked ok, reboot system. I get a quick bluescreen where system restarts, tried again, blue screen, went into BIOS, didnt see any of ACHI if that was intended, loaded system defaults hoping the bluescreen would go away, and it did, now in device manager the display looks like this instead. Im not sure if its good? or supose to look like that now?
Andy: is that my lan/network card? hm ok so Im gonna have to update that too?Attached Files:
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Yep, looks like updating the drivers from within device manager worked for you
System defaults loaded in BIOS = sets itself back to AHCI. I guess it was bluescreening because you updated to SATA drivers and it was set to IDE in BIOS? (I assume) Your hard drive should be running cooler (checked temps? CPUID HWmonitor is the software to use) and probably faster.
You have 3 yellow !s in device manager. You should do a right click -> update drivers -> put in your drivers cd that came with your notebook and update the drivers (I recommend this, as installing the drivers from within the CD loads extra software that always runs - I didnt really want the fingerprint software autorunning, for example).
You don't really have to do the XP slipstreamed cd now, by the way, since your notebook controller is running on SATA drivers, but it's a good idea to have it on hand Yep, audio and network drivers go into drivers (make sure the drivers are unzipped and NOT in an .exe download), and specify "textmode" in nLite. Yeah, video drivers aren't essential, as XP's default video drivers are fine for a base install in the future. If you like, you can copy the entire Clevo driver cd to your hard drive, and point nLite at the right directories and add all the drivers to a custom XP cd.
Yes, motherboard = chipset = Intel PM45 Express chipset = drivers come on Intel Matrix Storage manager (or the f6flpy.zip file I mentioned if you want extractable drivers - needed for nLite). Add the drivers from the link I gave you, NOT the Clevo driver cd for the 1) chipset and 2) realtek audio - the links I provided are more recent. Anything else should be ok to add from the clevo driver cd.
Eh, repayment isn't needed. I love my notebook and it's optimized & set up correctly, and I just want others' M860TUs working as well
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ok, one last thing, I wanna be sure that I get everything right before I reinstall my OS, might aswell do it to figure it out how it works and such.
This is what I did in nLite:
Took a clean version of XP 32 bit (real cd key and disc) downloaded sp 3 intergrated it with nLite, added drivers, chose single driver, located the .inf file for the realtek audio driver and network driver (Found the audio driver in a zip format first http://drivers.softpedia.com/progDo...inition-Audio-Codecs-R204-Download-67738.html) , aswell as the iaAHCI file for SATA/motherboard if Ive understood correctly
Also read that delete after install should only be applied to PNP , dont quite get what that means but I have two PNPs and one TXT, should it still be checked?
and if it for some reason it shouldnt work according to this link
http://www.msfn.org/board/Integration-Intel-Sata-t107504.html
Ill just have my usb ready with the proper SATA drivers and fallow the instructions given by intel, (better print that page out first).
and one more thing, I havent really gotten this but, the Intel Matrix Storage manager are the motherboard drivers correct?
which are essintially the same as the SATA files? so by configuring my HD to SATA in XP install I will have the motherboard drivers installed already? Have to get that clear so there will not be any misunderstandings later on that might screw things up later for me. So after Ive installed xp again with this new cd I will only have to update my videocard drivers correct?
The qustion marks in the device manager would be, Im gussing all the drivers that I left out from the cd such as cardready driver, hot key utility (if that has a driver ) and maybe some of the optional drivers that came along, I didnt find it necessary to install those since I dont have most of them. Is it really necessary to right click update them if they dont serve any real purpose?
Otherwise Im ready to go!
[edit] I know I saw somewhere on how you could turn your usb stick into a floppy? cant find it again hm?
yapp HD temps dropped from 53-54 to 48-50Attached Files:
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Oh, you have a USB floppy?* That's an easier method, and it will 100% work. Just put the f6flpy contents on it (or clevo's driver cd -> chipset contents, same thing, former is more recent) and use F6.
You can always install any other driver after you install XP, at any point. Even installing SP3 you can do at any time (but integrating it for future installs saves a LOT of time). The SATA drivers are the only thing that needs to be done via XP setup/install, since upgrading drivers via system tools -> device manager doesn't always work (didn't for me, did for others).
Yep, your 3 yellow !s are likely fingerprint, modem, and something else... it'll autodetect them, so just point it to the clevo driver cd Hotkey utility's just software, and doesn't have a hardware component; I uninstalled it as I dislike useless memory resident programs (for =3= buttons?! bah).
*Oh wait, you have a USB key, not a floppy. Misread that
Yeah, I didn't figure out how to turn a USB key into a floppy either - apparently it's dependent on the USB key brand or type or something (said a friend who's messed with this extensively) ONLY, and it's either recognized by your BIOS as a floppy or isn't. I had a USB floppy on hand so used that instead. -
Bluescreen M860TU
Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by G01kur_Kisel, Oct 2, 2008.
