Clevo / evoc / sager motherboard and gpu failure rate and user repairability!

Hello!
Newbie here! So i was thinking of purchasing a clevo laptop(p775tm or p870tm with single gtx 1080). So i live in india, and with some research i done the custom duty here is like 41%! So only way ti get these laptop is via a friend of mine in usa who's gonna visit india in a year!

So as far as i can see there is only hidevolution that provides global warranty! But that option is bursted due to customs! And thats the main problem. If in case my laptop goes skraaa(like MB failure or gpu failure) i am on my own to repair it.

So, here comes my question, in what cases can a healthy motherboard/gpu die? Like I've seen some videos on youtube that puffed capacitors and bad ICs/VRMs cause this. So are these repairable by user?(obv with some experience and a desolderer).

Also, what are the other case these can die?( except liquid damage and droping, lol)

Also, what is average life i could expect from these laptops!? Many people say if i clean and repaste my laptop every 4 months, it'll stay for 5-6 years, is that true? Also if anyone could suggest me what areas of the MB and gpu are to be cleaned? And with what also(im soo noob!) Like with isopropyl alcohol or anythong else?

Tagging in the persons whose post I've seen and read and look 100% relevant.
@Phoenix
@Mr. Fox
@Papusan
@woodzstack
@tanzmeister
@Falkentyne
@Donald@HIDevolution
@XMG
@Vasudev
@Galm
@Meaker@Sager
@John@OBSIDIAN-PC
@Eurocom Support


Ps, if you know who can answer my problems, please just tag them in!

 

Also am willin to buy from hidevolution since they have some of the best services, delidding and QC!

 

What you are proposing (intentionally working around customs) is illegal and so yes will create a red tape barrier should you want to do anything official with it.

I suggest following the law and do things properly to avoid such issues.

 

So, youre saying me to pay 41% customs! Lol, i cant, and i dont want to do anything official with it! Just want to know in what case my laptop could die, and in which case i could repair it myself! If you dont know mostly all of the indians who have their brains working right, buy their laptop from usa or dubai like this! EVERYONE! Ive seen some posts from @Vasudev that he bought his AW usa like this! There was also a user called thebeastdragon (whom i cant find anymore) who bought his p775tmq like this

 

Hmm, well meaker, dispite of me too being an indian, i also dont want to pay 41%customs!

Let me break this up for everyone. The 41% tax has 10% tax and 31% CVD. Cvd is the tax to increase the laptop's price only for the sake that the companies in india like dell india, aw india, msi india's products which they sell at highly overpriced prices, dont become less-feasible to buy!

So at the end, to pay tax so that the overpriced companies in india dont get losses(due to their own fault of OVERPRICING THEIR OWN PRODUCTS) is not for me or any other indian to pay!

 

You can justify it all you like but until you get the law changed that's what it is set to and to get round it is tax fraud.

There will always be some import tax on goods, in the UK it's 20%.

What you do is up to yourself but I don't think it's appropriate to discuss this on the forum.

Yes, I pay all taxes whether I like them or not (I paid the import tax on my own system), it's not for people to pick and choose the ones they want to pay.

If it's unfair in your opinion get the law changed.

 

I actually planned to buy from Dell USA but I needed the lappie right away so I actually paid double the price.
I actually got it from India at $2500 instead of $1600. Add AGA and couple other things from Dubai when my cousin was visiting us which would approx add up to $3000

 

Read the Forum Rules. Especially the first point highlighted in General Rules.

 

@Papusan is correct, lets answer the question @SteveZodiacKiller is asking, and stop discussing about customs?

Anyways papusan, did you run into any problems with soo many clevos you've purchased? Like dude's saying like MB/gpu failure?

 

Ok got it.
@SteveZodiacKiller Best option you can get it from Azom systems.
If you are good at disassembling then the failure rate can be reduced to 1 in 10 and if you're not there's a chance of 50-60% if you don't monitor temps using hwinfo, TS or CPUID.
EDIT: Removed Customs thingy.

 

Omg , friends! Please stop discussing about customs! I am not asking anything about customs!

All i want to know is this
" In what cases can a healthy motherboard/gpu die? Like I've seen some videos on youtube that puffed capacitors and bad ICs/VRMs cause this. So are these repairable by user?(obv with some experience and a desolderer).

Also, what are the other case these can die?( except liquid damage and droping, lol)

Also, what is average life i could expectfrom these laptops!? Many people say if i clean and repaste my laptop every 4 months, it'll stay for 5-6 years, is that true? Also if anyone could suggest me whatareas of the MB and gpu are to be cleaned? And with what also(im soo noob!) Like with isopropyl alcohol or anythong else?"


Ps: @Vasudev azom is also just too costly for me! Also they dont provide p775tm with a gtx 1070(which i want) so azom was already out of list!

 

I have still my older Clevo from 2010. Work as day one. Same also for my newer Clevo P870. But all brands laptop model can can fail/break. None can give you 100% warranty you won't run into problems. A computer is not the same as a single piece of stainless metal.

 

If its LGA then I'd say an ideal life of 3-4 yrs and if its BGA you can max out at 2 yr w/o repaste/repad or clean the fans every year or two.
You need to repaste and repad correctly once and it will last very long say 2-3 yrs at stock clocks. If you're OC'ing say 4GHz+ then you might need to repaste every 6 months to obtain good temps provided the ambients are controlled below 35C.

 

1) Stop tagging me! You don't need to tag the entire forum, it's not like we don't see what's posted without being annoyed by your tag and 100s of other useless tags! stop abusing the darn tag feature people! I am sick of this! Anyone who tags me for no valid reason is going straight to my ignore list. PERIOD!

2) Regarding your question, no one can predict the future. Go buy a crystal ball if you wanna know how long it will last, when it will fail, what could cause it to fail, bla bla bla

 

Okay, sir, wont tag you from now!
Thought you're like one of the most relevant-poster on here! Sorry!

And i think you didnt read what i was trying to say! I want to know in WHAT WAYS can my laptop's MB/GPU die, and in what ways can i repair it myself! Didnt want to see the future tho!

 

Thats assuring!

Okay, phoenix is a tweaker, he tweaks OS, drivers, buys lapops for benchmarking(not for gaming tho), suggests people on their choice of laptops!

He isnt a circuit guy, an i dont think your questions are for him to answer! You should ask the reseller you wanna buy from!

Hope I'm not in the ignore list of a legend like Phoenix! I'm smart(not that smart, kinda mix of dumbass and smart) and wanna be smarter, like Phoenix!

 

@SteveZodiacKiller

I'm still going to address the tax/duty part ( ;-) ) because it is relavent in the way that you can get international warranty support. You're saying that a company offers global warranty (though this is an additional charge over a normal warranty, so you could also decide to cover any shipping costs yourself and opt for a normal warranty - and that this global warranty wouldn't work because of Indian Duty rates. The point is, that you only pay duty and tax one time (if the return is managed correctly, which any company should be able to deal with no problem) which is at the point that the sold item enters the delivery country. You don't pay duty for shipments which are being repaired under warranty - but you need to check witht he company that you might purchase the laptop from to make sure that they can deal with the paperwork correctly.

More info:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p775tm1-g-sager-np9175-average-life.812021/#post-10652118

and my comments on tax and duty:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p775tm1-g-sager-np9175-average-life.812021/#post-10652143

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p775tm1-g-sager-np9175-average-life.812021/#post-10652118

 

I dont think that post has the answer to his questions, like in whats cases he can repair his motherboard by himself(or a technician).
And i believe you can answer them! Since you too would be doing repairs on your laptop @XMG

 

Thanks bro. If you knew how many tags I receive daily, you'd understand why I snapped. Sorry

Ok, back to your question, well, on my previous P870DM, I used it for a year then sold it, it never failed and I was overclocking it from the standard 4.2 GHz to 4.6 GHz on all cores 24/7

Then I got a P870DM3 which I also overclocked the living heck out of. These things are very stable provided you don't do physical damage like static electricity or spilling liquid metal on it accidentally.

Now off-course, electronics can fail at any point and no one can predict that, that's what I meant by the crystal ball, but generally speaking, if you take care of it, you shouldn't worry about failure. Browse the forums for example and see how many threads can you see about failed motherboards?

Don't forget to tag me (tagging in this case is perfectly normal) when you get your machine if you did end up joining the EVOC Gaming Team so I can tweak your Windows 10.

These are the magical Phoenix Tweaks:

1- Uninstallation of all the Windows Store Garbage Apps like 3D Paint, Print 3D, Alarms & Clock, Feedback Hub, Maps, Groove Music, News, Weather, etc.
2- Removing all Windows 10 Privacy Invasion stuff like Telemetry, sending your keystrokes to Microsoft, automatically installing suggested apps in the background, allowing Microsoft to conduct experiments on your laptop, disabling automatic driver updates through Windows updates, disabling Windows 10 ads, disabling Cortana, Cloud Search etc.
3- Removal of nVIDIA and Intel Telemetry
4- Adjusting a lot of options in PC Settings like disabling Windows Tablet Mode (you have a laptop not a tablet), disabling suggestions appearing in the start menu, disabling automatically connecting to Paid WiFi Hotspots, disabling Game DVR which reduced performance in games, and a lot more.
5- Replacing Cortana with a much better search tool that finds results instantly called Everything which finds any file you want as soon as you start typing even a few letters of its name and it doesn't even rely on the Windows Indexing Service to do this!
6- Restoring the classic Windows Photo Viewer
7- Restoring the Classic Windows 7 Start Menu
8- Removal of the new and useless 3D Objects Folder that appears when you open "Computer"
9- Completely disabling Windows Defender from its roots (including all scheduled tasks and startup files) for those who want to install their own AV. ESET NOD32 Antivirus is highly recommended if you want the utmost security with the least system performance impact.
10- Updating all drivers to the latest versions in case they weren't up to date.
11- Disabling the performance hit that is caused by the Meltdown and Spectre patches recently released by Microsoft (optional, only if you don't mind having this security vulnerability and would rather have your CPU's full performance back)
12- Overprovisioning your SSD anywhere between 10-20% depending on how much space you can spare to ensure optimal and consistent performance at all times.
13- Blocking the Google Chrome Software Reporter Tool (which causes a high system load when it is scanning files)

 

Yup understood, I just edited my above post after reading the discussion at the top of this page. My point is that the Duty issue is 100% relavent, because Steve doesn't need to worry about any of his questions because they should and could be supported under any regional or global warranty. But I get the point and have expanded below

I wouldn't say with "some experience" but rather with "substantial experience". Not taking your words literally, but this assumes that you can see the faulty components and just need to replace them - this isn't the case.

Basically head damage, faults in the manufacturing process which leads to slightly weaker components, micro-fractures on the pcb - and simply just age due to any or all of the above factors.

Yes - as mentioned here people have 5 and 10 year old laptops which still function correctly. You're probably more likely to physically damage a laptop to the point where you want to replace it - or that the components are simply out of date, before one literally dies on you and you can't repair it. You don't need to repaste every 4 months at all, it depends which paste you or the manufacturer uses and more importantly how well you look after the laptop. Replacing the thermal paste helps to lower the temperature, which technically can extend the life of electrical components - but this is generally compared to a hot running or overheating system which would die much sooner. You should keep the laptop clean, keep an eye on the temperatures (including if the fans seem to run faster than they did when the laptop was new for example) make sure that the air vents are clear and dust free, that there's no dust buildup inside the laptop (pretty simple to remove the bottom panel and check as you then have access to all the heatsinks and fans.

For cleaning and repasting, there's likely guides on the forum which I don't have links to at the moment. People will give different opinions on this topic, but to be honest you don't need to go mad in maintaining a laptop like this, you just need to look after it

 

That's exactly the problem! 41% cusroms! Paying them once wil break my wallet! A 2000$ laptop with 820$ as customs! Nah, not that one!

So as @BeastsForever.TheDragon said, you're an overclocker and tweaker! And thats nice to hear that your laptops did survive that massive clocks! Are you sure that with that oc your laptop you sold never broke? I mean, I'm not judging you, but 4.6 ghz at 24 7 is like ......IMPOSSIBLE!

I Think I'm overthinking towards this...

 

you are over thinking bro. The chances of damaging a CPU or motherboard due to overclocking are very slim. You'd just get a BSOD or system freeze then you know you need to dial the notch a little bit UNLESS you do something really stupid with voltages or advanced motheboard settings (no pun intended)

Now, how did I survive an overclock of 4.6 GHz 24/7 from the base 4,2 GHz? well, I had a Silicon Lottery Delidded CPU from HIDevolution as the first CPU I got because I didn't go for the Silicon Lottery one at first was not even able to run stable @ 4.2 GHz! let alone any overclocking. So I got sick of it and purchased a Silicon Lottery CPU from HIDevolution that survived being used in 2 of my laptops then I sold it to someone, it's THAT good.

@bloodhawk actually bought my P870DM3

PS: I cannot call myself an overclocker. I know the basics, but I am a professional tweaker

 

Several run their clocks above 4.6GHz. And they still run as day one. But you will need Liquid metal/quality thermal paste.

 

Hmm, so asking a noobda question myself !

What is binning actually?
All i know about them is they overclock much better at releatively lower volts!

And, why, does they cost like super high? Like I've really seen 2-3 persons on this forums who can afford to buy them!


And i dont think in his 2000$ budget, he could fit a expensive cpu like that!

 

there is nothing illegal to bring a laptop through the boarder in case it does not apply to a term "goods", ex: no outlet packing, no protective film, having registered user in OS and signs of wear and tear.

as to the question: in my personal experience latest Clevo hardware has very low failure rate.

 

@SteveZodiacKiller Look at Pap's Signature, you will see the true potential of the chip.
CPU binning

 

Anyways, @Phoenix dont forget to let me know if you're selling any of your hell-beast laptops! Wanna consider them! (Have my whole maternal uncle's family ther!)

 

I provide warranty globally as well. 1-2-3 years or as needed depending.

 

Yes there is, bringing goods into the country without declaring them is just the same.

 

May i ask from where did you get these figures?
I'm just asking for me.

 

Hmm, anyways, phoenix dont forget to tag me too, if you have anylaptops to sell!

 

Ahemdabad international airport, gujarat!

 

What are head damages tho? Please elaborate, sir!

And, dosent the micro fractures are diagonised within the first time of laptop's use? Or microfacture could happen even if a laptop is handeled correctly without any shocks?

 

Sorry, typo - I mean "heat damage".

Micro-fractures can exist at the manufacturing point - a pcb can pass all testing with micro-fractures present and then months or years down the line (depending on the severity and how the pcb has been handles i.e. how well you look after your laptop) it could fail. There's no way to know and realistically it's not a topic which should in any way keep you awake at night. Bottom line is, no matter how well things are made or (especially) how much things cost, stuff breaks - that's life. Paying $5,000 for a laptop doesn't mean that it will be less likely to develop a problem than if you pay $500 for a laptop - they are completely different machines, made for different purposes and used in different ways.

 

You could even have a single transistor in one of the chips that has a slight defect that electron migration kills early but will otherwise test fine until then.

 

That's what happens when we spend too much time in front of our Computers.

 

I have destroyed my eyes, so first thing I'm gonna get will be Cybernetics Eyes like in Star Wars and some mods to cool off the brain and performance improvements and Prema VBIOS and BIOS as well.

 

Why dosent heat damaga happens to books (just kidding, but i hate chemistry)

You cant be serious.....

 

Get some HCl or H2SO4 and dip the book in or use CHCl3.
I simply love computers.

 

Chcl3 has a cooling and unconciousness causing effect, it cant burn anything(hcl and h2so4 can tho!)

 

Then you aren't thinking about other possibilities with CHCl3. Think like Trevor.

 

Actually am forming a habit not to think any destructive thoughts(mind me, my mind is really destruction oriented in nature, and constructuve in laptops and pcs)

 

You can simply use a solution of minimal concentration then nothing will happen.
We have to destroy the root cause with a single Swift move,
Just use Aqua Regia.

 

my favorite is when i hear people telling me, "its brand new so there should be no issue". or "purposely stops working after 1 day warranty ended"

 

Happened to me quite a few times. I brag about good quality hardware about phone or PC or any tech gadgets and next day after warranty expiration, it went poof.
I stopped telling anybody how good the hardware is, these days because of BGA.

 

Confirmation bias going on there I think

 

Oh yeah, its been working super dandy! And i have pushed the SYSTEM HARD. Like literally to the LIMITS.

Apologies for the late reply though, been a while since i visited the forums.