Clevo 2019

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo...models-with-Nvidia-RTX-graphics.390371.0.html

Finally some thin bezel and 16,1"

 

Gonna be curious to see what these new P750/P775 heatsinks look like, and whether they’re backward compatible.

Also looks like PB50Ex is the long awaited P650 successor.

 

Super excited to see some thermal data on the P750 and have been waiting 6 months for this announcement, but now I'm curious about the other 15.6/16.1 options too. Some potential for great options and/or great balls of fire going on there.

 

Yup. But no TB3 on the P96 line?

No mention of VirtualLink as well, I noticed.

Curious to see how well the "improved thermal design" copes.

 

Let's see if the P775TM1 with "improved thermal design" can even come close to P870TM1 with vapor chamber heatsink.

 

Clevo-Computer in Germany seems to have let slip some details on the PB50EF-G:
https://clevo-computer.com/992/clevo-pb50ef-g-intel-coffee-lake-nvidia-vr

Of note:

• Entirely new chassis. Similar to the N850 range but a bit smaller width but similar thickness.
• i9-8950H option
• MUX switch present! G-Sync via dGPU mode.
• 15.6" panel instead of new 16.1".
• Display ports are 1x HDMI, 1x mini-DP and 1x DisplayPort over Type-C (Thunderbolt3)
• More storage options than the P950/P960 series with an extra M.2: 1x NVME and 1x NVME/SATA combo for SSDs and 1x 2.5" 7mm.
• Microsoft Touchpad? Fingerprint sensor
• USB port list is somewhat confusing as it lists BOTH a "USB 3.1 Type-C or Thunderbolt 3" AND a separate listing for "1x DisplayPort 1.3 over USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C". This may imply that one of the mini-DP ports has actually been replaced by a Virtual-Link port.
• 62Whr Removable Battery. Larger than the P950 at least, but still nowhere near the GS65 or Aero 15 capacities. Removable suggests it's more like the traditional chassis
• It's FAT. 29.9mm height. This could be a typo and the Notebookcheck photo of it offers no insight into how thick the laptop actually is. If true, that puts it about as thick as the N850EP.

 

oh this is super yummy, subbed!

 

Clevo 2019 HWIDs

Code:

NVIDIA_DEV.1E90.7509.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080"
NVIDIA_DEV.1E90.7709.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080"
NVIDIA_DEV.1ED0.7510.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080"
NVIDIA_DEV.1ED0.7710.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F10.7509.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F10.7709.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.7509.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.7709.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.951D.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.95E1.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.971D.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F11.97E1.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F50.7510.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F50.7710.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F51.7510.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"
NVIDIA_DEV.1F51.7710.1558 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"

 

The Nvidia published power limits for the laptop GPU's are a lot lower than the desktop GPU's:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-138#post-10843156 @Papusan

Given the 2080 FE is supposed to be 225w and base model 215w, the mobile range of 80w-150w+ seems a bit too low - a very long way from 150w to 225w (stock 2080 FE) to attain full 1080ti performance in the laptop.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Founders Edition Review: Faster, More Expensive Than GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
Power Consumption
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition,5809-10.html

 

You forgot the +


And there is no place it's written Max-Q or if it's the "N"mobile... Take this as rumors... https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/vidia-geforce-rtx-20802070-and-2060-with-and-without-max-q.html

The notebook manufacturers have a lot of leesh for the RTX 2080 and RTX 2070, but at the base clock it'll be fixed at 960 MHz for the RTX 2060 series.

 

I didn't add the + because I thought it was a long way from 150w to 225w.

Fixed:

Given the 2080 FE is supposed to be 225w and base model 215w, the mobile range of 80w-150w+ seems a bit too low - a very long way from 150w to 225w (stock 2080 FE) to attain full 1080ti performance in the laptop.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

 

Any spy photos yet of the new P775TM cooling?

 

Well NVidia marked the GTX 1080 laptop with TDP 150W and yet, many manufacturers released it with 200W

 

And there is short way from 200w up to base model 215w and +1080ti performance. A binned chips for mobile with 200W cap should also come a long way to attain 1080ti performance.

 

Official / unofficially, those 1080 MXM 150w / 180w / 200w models existed, and were published as specs for released MXM GPU's / laptops.

So, what are the published specs for the RTX GPU's in Clevo laptops, and do they match the desktop or laptop power ratings?

 

Welcome to 2019 !

Sorry to confirm that the table above is spot on.
(Lower numbers are for Max-Q while higher numbers are for the standard editions).

e.g. > MXM Clevo RTX 2080 (non Max-Q) has a base clock of 1380Mhz, a Turbo of 1590Mhz and a TGP of 150W.

Spoiler

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That is a huge range of operation on those chips.

 

Just a lot of downclocking. That's all. Here at noteb.com we will divide each into
RTX 2080
RTX 2080 Max-Q
RTX 2080 Max-Q LP

There is no way around it. I am fairly certain the RTX 2080 Max-Q LP will be less powerful than the RTX 2070 non-Max-Q, but it will cost a lot more.

 

So what is the point to upgrade from the MXM 1080, is it still a valid move?! please insight more....

 

Wouldn’t the 2080 be easier to cool than the 1080, since it has lower TDP and thermal density (bigger die)?

 

Hi Prema! what's the TDP of these new clevo cards?

 

Full silicon always costs more, but it will use less power than the non max-q lower chip making that performance achievable in a smaller machine.

 

TDP is unknown, but presumably somewhere on or below TGP (given that Nvidia defines TGP as maximum power draw).

TGP is actually a far more useful measurement from a design standpoint. As you can make the above assumption as well as build power delivery to spec.
However, the use of TGP also highly suggests that meaningful Overclocking will be a non-starter on these mobile chips without vBIOS modifications (no different to most Pascal mobile chips to be fair).
Undervolting in order to free up power budget will likely be the best we can do with these new rigs.

 

Any Clevo competitor to models like the MSI GS65, Acer Predator Triton 500, Razer Blade, etc?

 

The P950 and new P960 fill that role. It's their thinnest/lightest 15" chassis with 8750H and XX60/XX70 GPU.

They're fairly well equipped but have a notable lack of Thunderbolt3, no mux (like the P650 predecessor) and trade a decent chunk of battery capacity for a 2.5" HDD slot.
They are usually vastly cheaper though, to balance that equation.

 

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That's the TGP of a Clevo RTX2080. I was asking for TDPs of all the new Clevo Cards. I' also curious about TGP values. What's not clear?

 

MXM 1080 was 190W TDP? Will be interesting to see how much faster the 2080 will be then.

 

I think Prema is confirming that the table is accurate for Clevo as well.

 

Or hardware mods, they are the quickest to come out and do.

 

Here is our estimate: https://noteb.com/?content/article.php?/2019/01/08/new-mobile-rtx-cards-vs-gtx/

 

Why can't I find any news regarding these machines? The original article says they will be showcased at CES, but I can't find any coverage. Tons of news regarding ASUS, Razer, AW, MSI, but no Clevo.

I really just want to know if the P96 and PB50 have all exhaust in the rear. That's been my main criticism of almost all gaming laptops these days is that it's becoming impossible to find one that doesn't exhaust from the sides.

 

Perhaps it's due to Clevo being less of a direct-to-consumer brand. Might see more press when resellers like Sager offer their rebranded versions to consumers.

Also, it doesn't look like they're doing anything particularly gimmicky this year that might help gain more attention, like Acer's display hinges or their liquid cooling dock from some time ago ago.

 

I think this may be the P96:

https://www.cnet.com/videos/origin-pc-brings-a-16-inch-gaming-laptop-to-ces-2019/

 

That optical fingerprint reader in the trackpad looks great, hopefully it doesn't slow down login vs conventional readers trying to look for the spot lol. Wish you could trade the HDD slot for a bigger battery though

 

https://www.originpc.com/landing/2019/nvidia-20-series-laptops/

No specs though.

 

The opening shot of the ports is quite interesting. Notably, it has only 1x mini-DP but adds in a 1x USB 3.1 Type-C+Displayport.
I think, what they actually got video of is the P97 chassis (aka Origin EVO 17-S) which is a deceptively small 17" machine.

It sent me on a pretty wild chase.

Based on this particular quote from Notebookcheck's Clevo CES2019 Article:

I originally took this to mean that Clevo would simply refresh the PA70 chassis and call it P97. But it looks like they've actually dropped the PA70 and built a new 17" chassis based on the P95 design and widened a little.

Here's OriginPC has listed the EVO16-S and NT-16:
https://www.originpc.com/gaming/laptops/evo16-s/
https://www.originpc.com/configurator/prol/l1.aspx?SYSTEMID=111

Both of these appear to be the P95 chassis we're all used to, but with a 16.1" screen (tiny bezels). Both of these use the traditional 2x Mini-DP + 2x Type-C ports.
Dimensions are:
Height: .78”
Width: 14.9”
Depth: 9.9”
Weight: 4.6 lbs

Here's where things get interesting :
This is the new page for the EVO 17-S:
https://www.originpc.com/gaming/laptops/evo17-s/
Dimensions:
Height: .78”
Width: 15.6”
Depth: 10.5”
Weight: 5.5 lbs

The EVO 17-S has the matching ports to the CNET video as can be seen in the side-on shot under the "Power" section. It's also quite obviously not the old PA70 chassis as it also has tiny bezels, no grills above the keyboard and significantly smaller edges on the sides of the keyboard.
It's actually surprisingly close to a P950/P960 chassis in dimensions and looks.

So given that it's not much bigger than the original P950 and actually SMALLER than my own P650RP6 that it would be replacing..... I guess I may be getting a 17" laptop this next gen

 

Obsidian has some of the fatties available for preorder:

https://shop.obsidian-pc.com/en/workstation.html

 

And here are some available configs and pricing:

https://www.hidevolution.com/nvidia-rtx-new-release?limit=all

 

But you got to admire that alienware made an area 51 laptop with at least an upgradable cpu and GPU. Watch how they will throttle both components aggressively. A i9 9900k in that, there is no way that will keep cool lol.
And even if they don't have overheating problems they are probably going to run into current limit throttling considering that cpu uses a load of watts to perform.

 

Haven;t you read?! They will use the battery to power the laptop under load?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497369256195915776/532457072986554368/unknown.png

 

I guess it's soon to know if we will be able to upgrade current 1070's on our Clevos.

 

What a retarded system to have in place. Defeats the purpose of a laptop. Finish gaming and find your battery at 20% even with the dual 330w psus provided. (It is a desktop replacement though, your not going to be moving it around).

On the plus side at least it won't throttle till the battery is low.

 

It is highly likely that clevo will maintain the standard for their cards which is why I'm looking at buying a P870tmg.

Otherwise @Mr. Fox gtx 1080 in a p870dmg mod will come in handy IF rtx cards are the same form factor. Which is highly likely.

 

If this can be done, maybe some resellers will offer this upgrade.
@ John@OBSIDIAN-PC I'm interested in that case XD.

 

I've been waiting since Pascal times for getting a new laptop; I endured through these past 2 years with the company-provided Mac but no chance whatsoever to play a real game. The reason, I decided not to buy one with 1070 was simply that the Clevo sellers in Europe could not guarantee to get me one with QHD screen and there were lots of problems with the banding in Auo ones and what not. Yes, you could order it seperately but simply I don't have the time for that.

Now with these new Rtx gpus out soon for laptops, I'm wondering if any Clevo reseller in Europe will be providing one with a decent 120Hz Qhd screen without any banding issues or whatsoever, I asked @ John@OBSIDIAN-PC about that, got no reply, dude is probably very busy.. I will do some Dev., ML and Gaming on the new beast.

 

Not to dig up old discussions on this about supply and support, but I'd really hope to see Clevo consider Zen 2 for chassis refreshes later this year. The GPU refreshes may not be as useful, but that performance/watt AMD demoed would be really promising for a laptop frame.

That they didn't include any hint of an openness to this so far at CES just makes me sad. Just intel and nvidia references.

 

Say can you set the fan speed to a manual curve with 0% as the minimum on Clevos? The 16.1 inch laptop seems more interesting than what MSI and co have announced so far but at least the MSI has that option

 

16.1" panels? Interesting! Does that imply a 16:10 aspect ratio? :O

 

Still 16:9 ratios as they're 1080p panels. They're just using up more of the lid and cutting out the bezels so that they fit in the traditional 15.6" chassis.