Clevo 901C from PCmicroworks - Carbon Fiber?

I was looking at the PCmicroworks website and I noticed that the claim their version of the Clevo 901C is made carbon fiber, does anyone know if this is true?

 

It has a carbon fiber lid. The entire unit is not carbon fiber.

 

Carbon fiber isn't standard on 901Cs, right.

 

Ouch,that is a horrible experience. I tought PCMW seemed better from what people are saying. Can anyone back this up ?

 

That is correct. The Clevo D901C is not made of carbon fiber, including the LCD lid.

If PCMW is advertising it that way they would have to replace what comes from Clevo.

 

Hmm.. Are you 100% sure about this? I asked them about the carbon fiber and they described it to me. Telling me pictures of it were coming mid december. A friend got a long mail were they were talking about how good it looked.

But there are still no pictures on the website?

 

I have edited my post to take that part out. Let's just wait to see what they ship, and if it matches their claim.

 

Long Posts hurt my eyes...

ANyways, I also ordered from them, maybe someone like Wu JEn can tell us his expereinces w/ them?

 

I hate bleeding!

 

I apologize about the length of this post.

I re-read my post and find no where I personally attacked him. My entire post was about how I did not understand anything he was saying. The fact he viewed it as a personal attack tells me something about his personallity. Since he says he will not read this I will not direct it to him. Instead, to everyone else who cares to read it.

I'm going to referance my original post and in an effort to make this shorter I will not be copy and pasting it for the most part.

1st set of comments in RED. I stated I understand he recieved the wrong networking. I then asked what the Operating system had to do with you recieving the wrong netwroking. I do not see the connection to this. He then said, they normally put the papers in the OS box. I simply asked "what Papers?". I do not see any personal attacking in this section towards falcon.

2nd set of comments in RED.Falcon said his blackhawk blackscreened when in sli. I pointed out he posted comments in a thread directly related to the problem he had. Now that i'm thinking about this whole thing, he simply said PCMWs sent me the beta drivers. He did not offer any help of any kind to the thread. No installation tips on the drivers were offered. He didn't offer the drivers he had to anyone. But, I'm sure since he is a consultant he would have known those drivers would work for other D90xc notebooks with sli 8700s and might even help ease some frustration other folks were having. Hind sight tells me he probably couldn't figure out a way to charge for the service so he offered none. I did not personally attack him in my red comments but I did in this reply. Notice how different it is.

3rd set of comments in RED. I was making fun of Nvidia on this one. I did not even mention anything related to or directed to Mr. Falcon.

4th set of comments in RED. I asked him a driect question about if he thought (based on his technical know how)if it would have been fully operational if he had ordered it with an OS. Then, I simply stated alot of folks have been having issues with the driver for SLI and making it all work. I do not see any personal attacks here.

5th set of comments in RED.He mentioned RAM. I assumed (yeah i know) this was unrelated to his video card problems since I do not see a tie to it, but it was instead about his system not recognizing all 4 GB. As I stated this is a well known issue with some operating systems. I must again point out, since there is confusion, that there are no personal attacks toward falcon here.

6th set of comments in RED.He blamed PCMWs for not giving him a functional driver, and when they did it was still buggy. I would think since he is a consultant charging lots of money for his time, He would know PCMWs does not publish the drivers. Nvidia is the publisher and it is not PCMWs fault that the drivers are buggy. I did not personally attack him in my red comments. Did anyone catch my personal attack toward him in this reply? =P

Here is where it gets hard to follow since I got lazy and stopped bolding.

Known fact. Hard drives fail. PCMWs overnighted new ones. I wouldn't have expected less. I do not see his issue with them on this.

He answered my question on how he thinks he has spent more time and money. I do have to point out that since he bought from an online retailer there is always going to be more time invested if anything goes wrong. This is something EVERYONE that buys online has to understand. Unless he physically lost money as a result I do not think he has spent more money than he paid. I already addressed his time complaint.

He tells us he turned down the 8800 gtx option in his 2nd post. He gave me more information! I now know and stand corrected. If he said it in the first one I missed it.

He said their customer service was taunting him. I offered my dealings with them as a counter to his. Since he thought I personally attacked him, It does make me wonder how exactly they "taunted" him. Or maybe if it was just him. I mean come on, Let's Review. They gave him a full refund and even covered shipping. This is against their written return policy of a 15% restocking fee and NO shipping would be covered. As I stated, This by FAR more than exceeds anything I would have expected. Would I have wanted this as an upset customer? Well, DUh. But since I chose to buy with them and fully read their policies I would not expect it.

I like how he states he has documentation and everything to prove the refund scenario, like he is defending it. Eventhough, All I asked is " When was it initiated?" Atleast he gave us more info on it. Now I will pick this apart with much pleasure. He sent it out ont he 17th, They recieve it on the 19th. Depending on the time they recieved it it might not have been until the 20th before they can do the full inspection and verification. refund authorization would occur on the 21st which is a Friday. Nothing would get proccessed with the banks until Monday. Whoops, Monday is Christmas EVE. Some Comapnies are not open. Tuesday, the 25th is Christmas. Again they would not be open. This leaves the 26th, 27th, and 28th for open business days. If falcon is reading this that equals 3 of the stated 5 days. Monday is newyears eve, we will count this as 1 business day. Tuesday is Newyears day. Most companies are closed. The 3rd, which he says is when it came through, fell on a Thursday. This provides 2 additional days. Bringing a total of 6 Business days. The holidays slow EVERYTHING down. It sucks. But missing the date by 1 business day is hardly grounds of being upset to the point of where he is. Check the math and dates with a calender. I invite anyone to.

The last point is my opinion as stated. People can view your post and actions anyway they want. If you do not want them to, It is simple. Do not post.

In closing it would appear Falcon would fall under the Un-reasonable people catagory. I did not personally attack him in my first post. I picked it a part becuase I was trying to understand what he was saying. This post on the other hand, well you can tell..

Only time will tell how reaonable peoples experiences will unfold. To any future buyer I hope you will wait until this information comes out before you make any decisions. That's all.

 

Hmmmm, from Carzy Habib's ORIGINAL post prior to his edits...

Maybe its just me...but that sounds like a personal attack, and is frankly rather offensive when accusations like that are made without any foundation or proof at all...just wild guesswork.

Falcon_CMH has a history of posts on this forum over a considerable period of time just as Crazy Habib points out. It really stretches my imagination to reach a conclusion that this is somehow a "...fake BASH post by another reseller..."

I also find it interesting that someone with only pre-sales experience is attacking someone who is relating actual after the sale experience. Is it just me, or have others experienced that when trying to make the sale representative tend to be very nice and friendly...but what I want to hear about is how a person is treated when there is a problem.

I also agree with Falcon_CMH that "Crazy Habib attacking a new member and trying to make them feel stupid would not be the way to encourage site growth and if I were the moderator you would be warned and then terminated if you continue your inappropriate behavior. Hiding behind the web is no excuse to be disrespectful."

 

Grow up people. Even the best companies have bad stories to be told. Clevo resellers are not perfect and that will always be proven over time. Even though some here praise some resellers (not in the bad way) it doesn't mean perfection.
Who are we to judge other person's experiences? I have always had problems with different vendors and mostly because of their ignorance to admit some things. But some people may tend to exaggerate though.

 

Would it not be inappropriate to bash a reseller if there is no substantiated reason? Being that this is a website and there is no way anyone can substantiate anyones experiences why am I at fault for trying to defend a company that has no voice here? I stated my opinion based on, or lack of the comments he posted. His first post does not add up. I stated what I thought.

It would be like me registering a new user to this forum and posting a thread about how horrible my experience with www.powernotebooks.com was when I have never had any dealings with your company. No one could disproove my experience but I promise more people would try to defend your company. Hell it might even get uglier than this. I wanted more information from him and this what happened.

The little counter says 5 total. #1 and 2 of which were a double post. #4 the bash PCMW #5 to bash me.

Edited to add, If a mod feels the need to warn or terminate me that is their perogative. I do not think people with 5 posts should be suggesting what mods should and shouldn't do.

 

People get very defensive when someone says something about a product they have spent a lot of money on. I remember when I was purchasing my home theatre equipment. Over in the AVS forums there would have been blood if those conversations took place in real life.

Falcon didn't immediately turn around and say "So now I'm buying from this reseller and they are so much better!". So I don't really see what reason he could have for posting a "fake bash", he doesn't appear to be promoting anyone. Unless the owner of PCMW slept with his wife or something. I personally value his inout as someone who has not yet made my purchase.

I understand the need to feel validated in your choice when making a big purchase beleive me, I do to. But he's given you no real reason to beleive he's lying. If you chose to beleive that, of course you can. But trying to convince everyone else he is, well that imo is a form of personal attack.

my 2¢

 

I will just ask a couple more questions. Was anyone else able to fully comprehend Falcons Initial post about PCMWS? Or was I the only person who did no understand what exactly his complaints about PCMWs were? If so I apologize.

If he wants people to follow his post why wouldn't he address the concearns raised about his initial post instead of directing his focus to me?

Is possible that people themselves can cause their pain and suffering and not anyone else?

I'm done with this thread people can come to their own conclusions.

 

ok... so i ordered my PCMW computer back in august.. after doing a month of research, WHICH EVERYONE SHOULD DO BEFORE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY!

i didnt read much of many of these first posts, cuz my eyes would bleed as well lol, but i noticed things like "not knowing the 7950 is not DX10", even if they did advertise the D901C as DX10. Of course a company is going to say wat they can to get ur business, welcome to the real world of business, ppl try to screw others over. ull find that everywhere.

POINT IS: i did my research and chose my laptop from PCMW,cuz they offered my everything in my sig, including the upgrade plan at a price CHEAPER than powernotebooks/xoticpc/sager/avadirect/eurocom/etc... the list goes on. NOT that these companies are any more expensive or have less of a reputation, cuz they are all wonderful companies to work with.

I did my research, and knew WAT QUESTIONS to ask BEFORE SPENDING 3grand!...

SO FAR, with PCMW, my keyboard broke, new one replaced within the week, and my LCD screen has been spazzing out (i have made a few posts about this), by spazzing i mean random pixelated lines of diff colors, like colored static sort of.

SO im working with them, and getting a new LCD inverter, and possibly a new LCD screen, before i have to send it in. PCMW has shown me no neglect or negligence on their part so far, in fact, only very good support and quick replies. TALK to them intelligently! TALK like you know more than their techs even do, WHICH YOU AGAIN SHOULD wen talking this money!

if YOUR the aggressive one, they will work WITH YOU, confidently enuf that you can handle the situation on ur own if they just send u the rite parts here and there, and my even give you a break on some things if they feel its their fault.... and im not sure about the carbon fiber thing, cuz it rele doesnt make a difference unless u rele want it.

BTW>.. my bro ordered a laptop from dell... got delayed a MONTH after he ordered online for some BS reason i forgot, then had to take another month to be built, wen they're a huge corporation. I ordered and received my PCMW laptop.. in 4 days, no extra building or shipping fees.... dell is a company I have a problem with lol

 

I'm fairly knowledgeable, (mostly) when it comes to computers. Some things still just baffle me. (Like why with Win 98 did I have to update my USB to get my AGP to work.....) But mostly I can troubleshoot myself and fix my own problems. I have not had to call PCMicroWorks for any problems. The only issue I have had with them was that they did not send me my Vista x32 disks with the Vista x64 disks. I called and they sent them to me. End of story.

I have been lucky so far and have not had any equipment malfunctions. I have noticed that my screen acts up when I tilt the lid which tells me that my LCD ribbon cable is being pinched. I'll have to open it up and check it. That's about it so far. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful to your problems.

 

Falcon

Thanks for adding more to the story. I can only hope my dealing ands others dealings with PCMW is more fortunate.

You were right about us earlier. =)

 

any person whose even a "slightly more than moderate" gamer knows 7950 isnt DX10... 7950 is DX9 and you somehow missed that in ur research, thats a fact.

also, just noticed your posts about it not being upgradeable becuz you have to replace motherboard. I knew buying my laptop in august i definitely would have to change the mobo to get my 8800s and quadcore, which is why i only got one 7950, cuz i too want DX10. not upgradeable means no replacing of the motherboard or cpus or gpus.... another fact. research man, i dont talk about wat i dont know.

 

I don't really see why anyone is ripping falcon's original post apart. He's simply telling everyone his unfortunate experience. If his post was in praise I don't think anyone would question it.

Sure I read it and it did give me the chills a bit but perhaps I won't be one of the "unlucky" ones EVERY company has. I have my horror stories about alienware too (which in my opinion was far worse) but that doesn't mean there haven't been a lot of people that are happy with their experience.

My point is now we have a contrasting point of view to look at and I welcome it because there really isn't much out there on PCMWs except for a few positive reviews. I liked what I read as far as what they were willing to offer to compensate but I understand that time = money and the whole situation just sucked for Falcon. I've been there before and I wouldn't want to be in that position again. Sure his post may have a negative bias but that doesn't mean it doesn't have some good information to consider.

Either way, I don't question my purchase as of yet but I don't have the laptop yet either. I am going to simply wait for its arrive and game my little heart out on it when it gets here. After a few days or a week of messing with it, perhaps then I can say something more about it.

Anyways, thanks Falcon for voicing your concern and its a bit late but welcome to the boards

 

Hey Falcon,

Thanks for all your posts, and "updated information". Much easier to follow now.

I am hoping I don't bleed too much myself on the bleeding edge.

However, I'll let you all know when it arrives.
Hopefully everyone else will do the same

-Coors916

 

Falcon CMH-- There are a couple of people who have gotten theirs.. If you check out the thread --BlackHawk XR5 photos!-- You can see pictures of the carbon fiber lid.

Are you saying that Raid 0 with 3 Hdd will give worse performance than with 2 hdd. I've orded with all three in raid 0. I guess I can brake it when I get it if this is true..

 

RAID 0 or 5 can use 3 hard drives.

RAID 0 or 1 can use 2 hard drives.

 

Thank you, but still confusing.. The statement "Raid 0 CAN use 3 hdd." really doesn't contradict what Falcon CMH say - "Software Raid 0 will work better with 2 than with 3 hdd"

Some clarification from someone please.. (I know this is a little bit of topic. Sorry.)

 

I don't really see how this is a gimmick. They are trying to rebrand their laptops so when they sell you one they are selling you a PCMicroworks BlackHawk XR5 instead of an NP9262 or Alienware is trying to sell you an Alienware mx17 not an "arima" laptop. Doing these kind of practices is far from new in the industry. I wouldn't really consider it a gimmick.

 

This information exists already in other threads in this forum.

There have been severla posts about the 8800GTX, none about SLI, and I have even posted about SLI in another earlier post from the Nvidia site.

JUst check through the threads, and you will find the information you want.

-Coors916

 

How are they not applying those characteristics to their box? I'm lost. The lid has carbon fiber on it right? Ok, I just checked, Yup it has carbon fiber on it. can you expand on this further?

I'm a Carbon fiber Fiend. I love it. That is your opinion of it but guess what? This might be shocking but, other people have their opinions too. Why are you always discounting other folks opinions if they differ from yours?

 

Falcon CMH - Please answer the question: How are they not applying those characteristics to their box?

A carbon fiber lid is a marketing strategi, A brushed aluminium lid is a marketing strategi. If they offer you to do a custom paint job on your laptop; thats a marketing strategi. According to my price tag the Carbon lid was on the cheapest laptop available. Both at the time of purchase and even now.

If I paid for something that only will attracts other buyers I choosed the right lid then. Apparantly the aluminium one is the more expensive one since all of the other specs are the same

 

When I bought it it was the cheapest and what i paid is still ceaper than i can find anywere right now. That was what i meant with "even now"

I was talking out my what you say

 

I think that it's time for the mods to review Falcon's incessant posting. You're not saying anything new. In thread after thread, it's the same thing. You hate PCMW. Can we all move on now?

 

No, Sager is not cheaper now than I paid then.

How did I complained about you?

I'm going to pick up my computer in mars. My choice. Saved my alot of money

I'm not sure of what you thought

 

Whoops! I would be really carefull with that kind of comments. You will suffer the anger of Falcon CMH. Not so wise in my opinion

 

Deodot 4 falcon 0

 

I stand by my opinion. It is not polite or wise to make such comments about you.. Or anyone else I might add.

 

hahahaha!

You go!!

 

I respect people who post their opinions even if they are not my own. I do not respect people who post their opinions and try to force them on people. That is what you are doing falcon. If you were not you would have started your own thread with your experiences and opinions and then LET people makes their own from that. Instead you Hi-Jack completley unrelated threads and spam them with your ignorance.

Carbon fiber seems to be his angery word. He has done this to 2 threads associated with it. I would suggest the mods ban the term Carbon fiber so that he can remain civil in future threads

 

Some mighty good defending too

One more question. All the time asking questions. Not attacking... I post comments in a open internet forum. In different threads where you participate. In both threads i directly ask you questions. How do you make this "behind peoples backs"?

 

I've never accused you of not being polite to me. I think you've done a good job so far. I told that other guy that he wasn't polite to y o u.

I work on it everday myself

 

Well, good for you I really hope it turns out better for you this time.

Perhaps you should try PCMW again! You know what they are saying about lightning, that it wont strike twice..

Just kidding.. I hope you don't take that last comment the wrong way

 

Finally They sending out XR5 Sent Today Ill try and review it when i get it at

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http://collegeconnectonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=13

 

Yay!! Me too

-Coors916

 

Got it http://collegeconnectonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=13

 

Not yet for me

Looks like I am gonna be last ... left behind

 

Yipeee.. Just got shipping notification.. Hope the wait is worth it

 

YES!!! Just opened it up. This thing is awsome!!! I have a question. What laptop bags do you guys recommend. I really don't care for the case they gave.
thanks

 

YIPEEE!! Got mine tooo... She is big and beautiful..
Ran fine, just having issues with the Audio not recognized in Vista 64.. So no audio there tried to install the drivers provided, but no help, Audio fine on XP. Anyone with any solutions for this?

 

that's odd. mine worked right out of the box. did you install Vista on your own?

 

D'oh!!!

Have you tried doing an update to the internet via the device manager, or going to the manufacturers site of the sound card?

Let me know how you go, as i'll beistalling the OS myself, and now I am a little worried.

-Coors916