Clevo N350TW heating

Hello.

i am desperately looking for a good laptop as basis for my new system.
my wish is to replace my desktop pc since i have to be mobile alot recently (not working mobile, but moving places alot).

i was checking laptops for weeks now and came to the conclusion that i want a Clevo.

My dream Laptop would have a desktop CPU but no dedicated GPU and it must have thunderbolt 3 since i wish to use a RTX2080 ti for stationary use.

the only clevo (actually, the only laptop in the world) that meets this criteria is the N350TW and im quite fond of it due to its large amount of ports and the docking station, its seems like the perfect serious tower replacement when coupled with an eGPU.

But i saw a pic of its cooling solution and im a bit worried about this, it seems totally underpowered for the biggest possible cpu, the i7-8700, especially when playing cpu intensive strategy games.




Now i wonder if the heatsinks could be replaced for better ones? Maybe its compatible with the 3-pipe coolers that are used in the bigger notebooks?

Thanks!

 

So really it's down to if it can do 65W, it's going to get warm under full load that's for sure.

Maybe speak to the reseller about temps and see if they have got any numbers.

 

thanks, i wrote some resellers in my area but have yet to get any answer.
i came to the conclusion that if i buy this, i will heavily modify the cooling solution anyway.

now i know clevo says 65W cpu is max but i wonder if i would put in a 95W one like the 8700k or even the 9900k, would it "work" in terms of the notebook will start or is it blocked by bios or something like that?

 

Looks like 3 phase power delivery so you want it to deliver over 30w per phase...

 

oke some reseller just told me the max tdp is 45w and not 65, so my whole idea was just pointless anyway.

could then someone recommend me a clevo barebone that has thunderbolt 3, can hold 8th/9th gen of mobile or desktop processors and does not come with a "too powerful" internal gpu and can be undervolted/overclocked?

thanks!

 

The np3145 is the slimmest offering followed by the np3155.

Otherwise the above with a T series CPU should do well.

 

The N350TW is limited to "T" series CPU's with 35W.

But "limited" is the wrong word. Those "T" series are actually just running more efficent than their 65W counter-parts without a huge performance impact.

Look at this:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700T-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700/m480804vs3940

The 65W version is on average only 17% faster than the 35W "T" SKU.

Will it be enough to run a RTX 2080 Ti in an eGPU? That depends in the end on the game.

Also keep in mind the bottleneck you will have from running that RTX on Thunderbolt, which translates to a PCIe x4 reduction. This already might shave off 10~15% performance of your RTX 2080 Ti in certain situations.

In theory, we have all the parts (N350TW, eGPU enclosure, RTX 2080 Ti) in stock and could run some benchmarks for you, but we're stock in launching CFL-H Refresh products right now. How much time do you have and where are you located?

Cheers,
XMG|Tom

 

While x4 could be limiting to the gpu it's mostly the extra latency the thunderbolt to PCI-e translation has, running direct from say an m.2 slot shows an improvement as does running those same 4x lanes direct off the CPU.

 

Hi,
i checked your link and the results are quite nice indeed. however, i currently have an overclocked 4790k which ist still very hard to beat for a 8th gen cpu (apart from multicore workloads of course)
you are right that modern GPUs get bottlenecked by thunderbolt 3 eGPU, but i would expect that a desktop eGPU rtx2080 ti would still be significanty faster than a laptop rtx2080, which is the fastest notebook gpu.

your offer for running such a benchmark for me is very generous and much appreciated, i do gladly accept it.
time is not the deciding factor for me.

alternatively, i saw on your website too that you are bringing out clevo models with 9th gen notebook cpus, but it appears the 9750h will be the highest you offer. would custom orders with a 9980hk be possible in the models you are about to release?
And im located in germany as well.

Thanks!

Yes i did read about that and saw some videos, it appears to be mostly caused by the thunderbolt 3 protocol overhead. direct m.2 connections seem to cut the performance loss by about 50%.
If i would buy a N350TW, i would dismount the cooler and HDD/CD drives anyway and replace them with custom build full copper coolers, thats why i wanted to know about the bios and overclocking potential initially.
IF i do that, i would probably try to get an eGPU directly to one of the M.2 slots as well.
I dont mind sinking alot of time and some money into it, to create my "perfect baby"

 

Wrong system to get to do that to really, the performance series makes more sense, you are adding the weight anyway.

 

Yes, we have just made the decision yesterday to order the following variations:

PB51RF with UHD/OLED, per-key and i9-9980HK for XMG PRO 15
PB71RF-G mit FHD 144Hz, per-key and i9-9980HK for SCHENKER COMPACT 17

Best case scenario: stock in 6-7 weeks, sales prices and shop in maybe 2-3 weeks. Stick with us!

About these N350TW/eGPU benchmarks: send me a PM with exactly what kind of Software/Scenarios you need and I'll see what I can do.

Cheers
XMG|Tom

 

sold

 

It becomes an extremely compact for the performance system especially CPU wise.

 

It's in stock now. SCHENKER COMPACT 15 and XMG PRO 17 with Intel Core i9-9980HK.

At stock voltage, the Cinebench Multi-Core loop benefit of i9-9980HK is roughly 25% over i7-9750H. Who dares to pull out more?

Cheers,
XMG|Tom

 

Came right on time then

 

Was the first message a typo? I'm not seeing the i9-9980HK available for the XMG Pro 15, but I am seeing it for the Schenker Compact 15.

 

@XMG

what were the results?

 

Could be out of stock again.

 

If it were just out of stock, it would seem that it would still show up in the configurator, just show as out-of-stock.

It looks like the @XMG Pro 15 & Schenker Compact 15 are both PB50, just with different options available. It's a bit weird, IMO, for 1 company to sell nearly identical machines with such different branding. (And for what it's worth, I much prefer the XMG aesthetics over the Schenker, but would need the high-end options the Schenker offers.)

At PC Specialist, for example, the PB50 is sold as the Vortex IX, with another version with different specs listed as the Vortex IX 240 Hz. It's much less confusing.

I wish all sellers were more straightforward about which Clevo/Tongfang models their offerings are based on. Thumbs up to @John@OBSIDIAN-PC for simply selling theirs as a PB50. (Can't buy from there though, as I need 64 GB RAM, which isn't offered.)

 

@XMG
Did you happen to get around testing the EGPU performance by any chance?
I'd be interested on both the i3 8100 and the i9 9900t version to see if the desktop CPU hampers the eGPU performance
On the other hand, i9 temps are a concern to me since this only has a single heatpipe. If the i9 9900t gets too hot on this system, I'd rather go with the 8700t

It'd be nice to have this info public because this laptop has absolutely no coverage lol