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    Clevo P370SM/Sager NP9380 Cooling Overhaul

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by n=1, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    Those cut outs made a nice temp drop.
     
  2. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Yeah just goes to show much the cooler itself is obstructing airflow.

    I'll post a pic or two later tonight to show why cutting away the metal where I did made such a big difference to the CPU. But essentially the central fan passes right over the CPU fan vent, and without the metal in the way, it is feeding a lot of air into the CPU fan (forced induction sort of).
     
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    Boosted is the word you are looking for. :cool:
     
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  4. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I think I've found a better paste than Gelid GC Extreme -- ShinEtsu X23-7921-5. I've detailed my findings in this thread.

    I will eventually, at some point, edit this into the 3rd post in this thread, but for now enjoy that thread.
     
  5. Darkomax

    Darkomax Notebook Enthusiast

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    Nice mod. Great minds think alike, I intend to make a similar project for my Medion (MSI GT based laptop). I also might cut larger holes in my Notepal U2 to improve airflow like you, as well as on my laptop back door. I will also add a few heatsinks to make this mod even better.
    I might create a thread about this mod in the MSI dedicated forum it is worth it. I still await some components from China so I did'nt start yet (12v power supply still on the way for 3 weeks).
    I created a thread on a french forum about this mod if someone is interested
    Google Translate
    (crappy google translate but understandable I guess)
    Sorry for my inacurrate english.

    ps : I just noticed you created this thread the same day as me, which is pretty funny because I discovered this thread 3 hours ago. I took ideas from here and there and was quite surprised when I discovered your Notepal mod, because I had exactly the same idea as you, almost the same day (actually, this mod idea emerged about a month ago, but I started to order the items later, then I decided to share it)
     
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  6. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    To make it even funnier, I actually conceived of the idea of cutting the U3 about a month ago as well, but just didn't have the motivation to do it. What finally pushed me over the edge was 80+C temps when playing Far Cry 3, and seeing this masterpiece of a cooler that made me realize I could probably majorly benefit from cutting out some metal.

    And majorly benefit I did. Watch Dogs doesn't tell the whole story, but when playing Far Cry 3, peak temps dropped 7C. Master 780M went from 77C to 70C peak, and slave 780M went from 82C to 74C peak. Talk about a day and night difference. All this in a 26C (79F) room no less.

    Adding those heatsinks is an excellent idea if you can get some good airflow. That should really help to bring the temps down. Btw your English is perfect so no worries. :thumbsup:
     
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  7. irfan wikaputra

    irfan wikaputra Notebook Consultant

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    +1 REP :D
    this is some serious dedication!
     
  8. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Oh I like the tech inferno one lol ^-^ Yours is a little more ghetto but it works :p
     
  9. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    pffft gotta go with the theme: Alienware is like a Mercedes for the rich to show off, so of course you'll need an equally showy cooler to match

    Clevo is for those who like all go and no show sleepers, so need a matching "ghetto looking" cooler :p
     
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    You guys crack me up! :)
     
  11. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Managed to snag a complete set of M18x R2 heatsinks (triple pipe GPU master + slave, single pipe CPU) for only $26 on eBay. Don't really have any plans with them but would be fun to do a comparison with Clevo heatsinks to see how much bigger the AW radiators are.
     
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    Excellent - that lapped heat sink looks GOOOOD!
     
  13. Darkomax

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    Finally did the Notepal mod. Works very well, especially when you raise even more the Notepal (to improve air intake), in my case, with big books (like 1000 pages novels). I used black tape to hide wires and the bad cutting :D (anyway it's not like i am watching the cooler). I gained 2°c thanks to the cutting, and another 2°c by raising the Notepal.
    [​IMG]

    Still have to modify the bottom of my laptop and to add heatsinks.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I used a black marker to cover my bad cutting LOL (and it actually sorta works)
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    What are your final temps during load?
     
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    Darkomax Notebook Enthusiast

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    For the moment, i have 64°c on my MSI GT60 clone, at maximum fan speed, or 70-71°c on my regular custom fan control profile. GTX 670MX overclocked, ambiant temperature = 21°c.
    http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/34/1408665907-preli.jpg
    I may gain some more degrees once I modify the botttom pannel (to make more air hitting the gpu heatsink). GPU used to reach 80°c before those mods (I already repasted, and cutted a hole under the laptop fan)

    Tested on Star Citizen, a pretty heavy upcoming game (Cry Engine 3)
     
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    Do you mean the barebone version? Those machines don't tend to get much improvements for cutting holes and extra airflow into the case.
     
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    It's a Medion x6823, the chassis is the same as the MSI GT60, and lots of people from a french forum already cutted a hole under the fan, and it lowers temps by ~5°c.
    I don't know if cutting extra holes under the gpu (I want to open the third column of fake air intakes which covers the gpu heatpipes, in which I'll add ram heatsinks) will help, but with a 12v fan blowing directly on it, I think it should works.
     
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    Under than fan helps yes, elsewhere not so much.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    If you're really hardcore you can try using the laptop without the bottom cover. I did that with my Clevo and used these as mechanical support.
     
  21. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Lol yes but it does kind of start debating the point of a notebook. My mods are fully mobile.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Well since it's a desktop replacement laptop, might as well literally use it as a desktop replacement. :D

    You're right, since I don't need the mobility (as I have discovered after 9 months of ownership), might as well hop over to a desktop. But this 17" beast sure will be handy for when I have to be away from home for extended periods of time.
     
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    I'm kind of interested in the filing of the backplate to widen the vents ever so slightly. I'll need to clean the thing more, but if a little better airflow + my raised back toilet paper mod + CLU & GC Extreme pasting and possibly in the future lapped heatsinks with a 880M heatsink on the primary card = something like a total 10+ degree drop... then =D =D =D.

    I wouldn't be cutting or lapping until I have separate ones to use that for though. I'm not gonna attempt lapping and cutting on my only equipment as getting a replacement here would be much more difficult. But THIS THING WILL BE MODDED AND UPGRADED.

    You ain't going to be happy unless you acquire an i7-5960X with four Titan Blacks and 32GB quad channel DDR3 3000MHz RAM with the CPU OC'd to 5GHz and not crossing 60 deg celcius and the GPUs having a 70c max while running at 1400 core 10,000 memory. DON'T LIE AND SAY IT'S NOT TRUE XD
     
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    My laptop has a giant heatsink that covers the entire graphics card, that's why I think drilling some additionnal holes can help. And yeah, I tested without backplate once, sure it helps but you don't really have a laptop anymore, like Meaker said :thumbsup:
    [​IMG]
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    rofl actually I predict the 5960X will be an epic fail. Judging by the stock speeds, I suspect it's a converted Xeon, explaining why the stock turbo is an absurdly low 3.3GHz. By the time it reaches 4GHz it'll probably get pretty toasty already. I'm still debating whether to go X79 or X99, but I have my doubts about Haswell-E, plus DDR4 only means I'll be paying a lot for 1st gen DDR4 which won't perform much better than DDR3 at the same price point. Probably the best thing is to wait until a month or two after X99 release, and hope X79 prices drop a bit. Right now just isn't the time to go X99, since DDR4 isn't mainstream yet (and probably won't be until at least 2016).

    Forget Titan Black, I'll be paying for compute performance that I won't ever need. Honestly my ideal setup right now looks to be something like:

    4930K @ 4.6GHz 24/7 OC
    32GB 2400MHz DDR3
    2x GTX 880

    I'm not going for insane overkill but rather bang-for-buck this time around. If I play my cards right I should be able to build a complete rig for under $2500.
     
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    Oh yeah, that's definitely true. If all goes well I ought not to need a new computer until 2018 or thereabouts. If my D900F lasted almost 3 years before problems showed up and managed to stay for a full 4 years until I got this and I DIDN'T know how to care for that thing for almost 2 years of my owning it, I think I can do this for longer. Especially since my board is essentially brand new now, and not a year-old board.

    Also, inb4 I get back a i7-4810MQ and a P370SM-A with two 880Ms and no 3D emitter >_<. I'm calling it from now. I swear I am.
     
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    Laptop bottom modded, I don't want to pollu your thread so I relink mine on another forum.
    And it works, now I'll add the heatsinks (I measure the temps for each mod separately)
    I'll do a proper thread in this forum, dunno if I'll do it on the modification or the MSI section
     
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    I've tweaked multiple generations of that product you put a picture of and designed pre overclocked versions. All mobile mods (even extra holes) were explored ;)
     
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    You were right, it doesn't help much, but opening under the GPU helps a bit. Like 2°c. Heatsinks seems totally useless though, blowing directly on heatpipes gave the sames results.
    http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/34/1408836187-temps.png
    My results.
    Blue curve : laptop sitting on desktop
    Orange : laptop raised by the Notepal, fan off
    Yellow : laptop on Notepal, fan on (12v)
    Green : laptop on modded Notepal, fan on
    Brown : Notepal and laptop modded without heatsinks
    Light blue : Same with heatsinks
    At the end i push the laptop fan at 100% to see how much i can cool this gpu (950/1250MHz GTX 670MX, way higher than stock speed and even GTX 770M), and to notice the temperature drops at stable fan speed (otherwise the fan speed changes and you can't tell precisely how much you gained, see the wavy curves).
    Before http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/34/1408812266-avantmod.jpg After http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/34/1408816342-resultat.jpg
    Green : Notepal modded, fan on
     

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    Nice charts and that looks about right to what we tested.
     
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    Yeah, the fan does the job, so powerful that i feel air flowing on each sides of my laptop (you don't say, 1300rpm 12cm desktop pc fan, not the weak 5v slim 8cm stock fans that cannot even pass through the Notepal mesh), i am sure that the whole underside of my laptop is cooled, and my gpu in front of that fan is very happy :D
    Tried a super overclock (1160/1400 at 1.1v), the gpu won't exceed 80°c while before, it simple reached throttle temperature under 1 min of stress.
     
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