Clevo P650 and Sager NP8658 screen replacement

Hi everybody,

New to the thread but just decided to plump for my very own P651SG from Scan over here in the UK and was wondering something. I'm buying my P651SG with a 1080p screen fitted to it as I didn't really want to go for the 4k alternative that Scan had but was wanting to upgrade it to the 3K screen that PC Specialist have.

Has anyone figure out what the screen model would be for the 3K version, as I didn't see it when scroll through the earlier posts.

 

Unfortunately, if you order the system with a 1080 screen, you won't have the right cable to be able to upgrade to a 3K screen.

 

Ah, hmm, might be a case of waiting and seeing what the cable looks like and maybe how to get a hold of one.

 

Whats the difference between

LTN156HL01-101
LTN156HL01-102

 

So if I buy a P650 with a Samsung 4k PLS panel, it will be possible to switch it for the Sharp 4k IGZO panel? (I can't find a dealer in the Netherlands that has the Sharp 4k panel.)

Where can I buy the right panel? Does anyone know the exact type, that fits in the P650?

Thx

 

LTN156HL01-101 - glossy
LTN156HL01-102 - matte

 

Ahh okay. I got confused from this.

LTN156HL01-101 Replacement Laptop LCD Screen From $59.99 Brand-new screens.

it mentions a glossy version and matte version both at 101. BTW is this site a good place to get screens? Thanks.

 

Be careful with the "compatible" notation. You don't want a "compatible IPS" display, and I very much doubt you will be able to get a genuine LTN156HL01 for $60.

I've purchased from them before, and you need to email / confirm the display before you buy. In the past, I've made an error and purchased what I thought was a high gamut display for a P150se from them, but it ended up just being "compatible" with laptops that originally shipped with the high gamut display. That's why all the part numbers are the same on that page despite glossy / IPS / High gamut IPS, etc. They're all compatible with the LTN156HL01-101.

 

Ahh okay, I saw some say compatible but not all of them. It is a bit cheaper.

 

Any 95% gamut compatible with the P650?

 

Just installed my Samsung LTN156HL01-102 matte screen. One word.. GLORIOUS!

One thing I really noticed was that Red's and Green's REALLY POP compared to the AUO screen that the laptop came with! Blacks and darker colors are also more dark. In fact it was a little more saturated than I liked, so I went and set the gamma to 1.1 and the brightness to 2 in the intel graphics control panel, then did a quick calibration on the display. Overall this screen kicks butt, and I'm astounded on how a matte screen can look so crisp!

This screen has amazing viewing angles as expected, I can look directly down onto it (90 degrees) with no visible negative de-coloration.

Add me to the list of people that can confirm that those of you who purchase this screen will most definitely not be disappointed!

 

Has anybody reviewed or have experience of the 3K screen?

PC Specialist offers IPS Screens for 1080, 3K and 4K, but I'm not quite sure which to go for.

I'm looking for a laptop to run vmware virtual machines, and also do some gaming on.

The 1080 IPS panel is probably the safe option.
I think the 3K resolution would be great for working in windows (small but usable at standard scaling).
While the 4K might be a fine when using windows scaling, and I also get the benefit of nice downscaling back to 1080 for games.

Also does increasing the resolution push up the temperatures significantly? (I saw a mention on another thread that it tends to all go via the intel graphics which increases the cpu temp ?)

 

The 1080p panel should be this one CHIMEI INNOLUX N156HGE-LA1 Overview - Panelook.com

Haven't found any review for this, as I think anything more than fullhd on a 15.6 is too much, and was looking if it was better than the 3k with which I've ordered the laptop. In the end, I prefer the Panasonic, and this chimei use the lvds so I can't even replace it with a edp panel, in the case it's not a good one.

About the Panasonic, it seems that everyone who has this panel think it's really good. You could try to search for some reviews of this model via Google, I don't remember if there's some outside the forums though.

As for the temperature, I think it surely increase with the resolution, but I don't think it'll be noticeable. Anything more I don't know, as for now. Still waiting on my unit to be build and shipped.

 

I received from pcspecialist a B156HTN03.6 TN (replaced with lg ips)

 

I swear PC Specialist didn't have IPS Listed against the 1080 earlier this week.

But they definetely have the 1080 listed as IPS now.

I've emailed them to clarify.

 

Hi - I have a replacement screen here with me but have never done this. I can't even find screws on the front panel to remove... can you kindly just give a few tips on what you did? Did you just pop off the frame in front, etc? don't want to damage anything

It's an amazing machine just need to change this ugly screen!

Thanks,

Pete

 

Here's a good video by HTWingNut explaining the process

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x-970m-htwingnut-s-review-22.html#post9845801

 

Thanks that was exactly what I needed!

 

I know how you feel, it was my first time doing it as well! I literally followed the review Tentenkun suggested by HTWingNut. You would be surprised how easy it is to peel off!, It's all one plastic place that covers the screen panel, so you can literally peel it back with your fingers if you want. I didn't have that tool that HTWingNut used in his video, so I used a credit card and my fingers and it worked great!

I started at the bottom with the card and wedged it between the plastic bezel and the panel, then I twisted the card until I heard it pop open, I did this with the other bottom side, and then around the perimeter of the screen, using my fingers for leverage. Reapplying it is also simple, start with the bottom and press the pieces together until they snap in place. Then go around the edges until it's fully secured.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x-970m-htwingnut-s-review-22.html#post9845801

As in the video be sure to peel from the BOTTOM first, the reason why is because that is the area with the most plastic and will be the hardest to detach, also you have less of a risk on ripping your frame that way. Also don't be alarmed by how loud the "popping sound" will be as you detatch it (you'll see what I mean when you start working on it). The panel has a series of little hooks and pits underneath that unloose when you pry it open, which will make those loud pop sounds. Your frame is very flexible and is NOT cracking while you do this, it's designed to be peeled apart. I couldn't help but think of it as being similar to a rubbermaid container lid while doing it, very easy!

 

Yep they modified that, because of users complaints certainly.

 

Is it possible to change out the cable so that we have a 3k screen option? I really don't want to bump up to 4k on mine, and would love to have a 3K sweetspot :/

 

You would need to get the cable yes (which is not obtainable at the moment to end users).

 

Anyone know the difference between LTN156HL01-102 and just LTN156HL01? Don't really get what the last 102 stands for? Thanks

 

one is glossy, the other matte. iirc the 102 was the matte version, not 100% sure though

 

Great, thanks. I've been sending multiple emails to different resellers, but can't seem to find anyone who sell it, only compatible once. Got one offer on ebay that's the right model, but then I have to pay taxes. Do you know any resellers in the EU that sell it?

 

unfortunately not, every user ive seen with this panel has bought it himself and installed it in his machine...

 

How come some people claim they have a lp156 WF4 SL-xx screen, it's an LVDS screen...how come ? LVDS screens are kinda cheaper ^^ and frankly unless you're going >1080p there's no point in choosing eDP over LVDS

 

Not entirely pointless.
Optimus GPUs will allow you to run 3 total displays, so long as one of those displays is native displayport. Having the internal display be eDP allows you to run two external HDMI / DVI displays without an active DP converter on one of them.

 

Yes and eDP gives you more upgrade routes in the future.

 

So, there's no way for upgrading the stock 1080p screen to a 4k screen yet?


Why?

 

Because the FHD and 4K screens use a different cable which currently isn't available separately.

 

I can confirm that my Sager N8652 (P650SG) has a LG LP156WF4-SLB5 and it is indeed connected with a 40-pin LVDS cable to the mainboard. Really was hoping the screen was eDP as I had a nice samsung eDP panel on standby. The LG is a very nice panel but was wanting to see how the samsung compared. Now the question I have is if it only is a cable change to switch from LVDS to eDP or vice versa. Really wish we could order the cables!

Hey Clevo/Sager/Resellers/Builders - give us an answer if you can swap LVDS to eDP with a proper cable and no other changes are necessary on the mainboard. Would think Mythlogic or other builders could answer this one or they could try it themselves. I really find it hard to believe they would need mainboard changes and can't find the datasheet on the RTD2136N display controller they list in the service manual block diagram. They do not have separate mainboard fru's depending on display types in the parts list.

Keeping this laptop for a long long time and will be nice down the road to be able to replace/refresh the screen with whatever I want once the warranty is gone.

 

Negative, the signals differ in their inherent design:

Spoiler: LVDS 40pin/6-bit/2 channel and eDP 40pin/8-bit/4 lane

That one is 6-bit, just like your cable, and to get 8-bit data would've required a minimum of 8+2+1 = 11 pins (data+clock+ground) per channel, eDP needs only 2+1+(3/2 or 3/4) = 4½ or 3¾ pins for the same amount of data. To drive an 8-bit 4k would need 44 pins just for the data. That's why the 2 ch 10-bit FHD DreamColor used a 50pin connector at the mb end (divided over 2 connectors at the lcd itself). Although 4 channel LVDS is possible and hence 1200p+ (monitors use that), it'd probably take too much out of a laptop's motherboard, who knows ...

Anyway, making 4k possible was the primary reason to develop (e)DP. It has nothing to do with image quality, maybe excepting the currently existing 40pin 4-lane eDP mb connector driving a 10-bit 4 lane panel. That's what I'm betting on with the W230SS; a 13.3" DC v2 (couldn't care less about 4k, unless that's at 30" or so). A similar system using LVDS would've actually made a better screen possible than is available with eDP now, but it would never have accommodated a 10-bit panel if/when these become available.

As to existing LVDS systems; there is a converter that does LVDS>eDP, but, again, at max 1200p.

 

hmm.. I know the signals differ but the P650SG has a mainboard with a panel connector that accommodates both LVDS and eDP and they have 40pin LVDS / 30pin eDP and 40pin eDP cables. Since there is not a different mainboard for each I would think it is possible to switch on this model. Thanks for the all the detailed information and will dig deeper.

 

Be aware the pinouts will be different for each cable.

 

of course.. fully aware. Not my first rodeo

Just wish there was a way to actually order any clevo parts we want.. would love to get my hands on the 30pin eDP cable 6-43-P6501-041-1C

 

Another glossy option for replacing the standard TN screen from the P650?

I tried that matte PLS Samsung screen but it was damaged. It was pretty cool though, but I prefer glossy screens as I do not use it outside.

 

Anyone?

I'm looking for some brighter screen. Of course it needs to fit my 30 pin stock connection.

Thanks.

 

Have you used panel look to search for options?