Clevo P650HS-G vs Clevo P950HR

Thanks so much! You're a champ! I'm amazed that it never went above the max. Just to confirm, that's 74 degrees, right?

I know the guys over at notebookcheck torture the poor thing (multiple benchmark tests simultaneously run). I must confess I am no expert, please continue testing it however you see fit. I'm thinking of getting one (or, rather, the gtx 1060 version) and I'm very keen to find out how it manages the heat. I should ask, do you think the 1060 version would be any hotter?

The only other thing I'd ask about is sound quality.

You're amazing, thanks for doing this

 

I think I had 78C as the max.... did my post say 74C ? Maybe it did go up. I just know it didn't hit 80C.

I plan to find out why though, tomorrow, right now I couldn't be bothered, recovering from thanksgiving party last night.

 

Righto I hope the party was fun!

 

That 2-day stress test info is great news; I hope my soon-to-be ordered P650 will fare as well running multi-day GPU calcs, Nice to hear your machine is capable of keeping the heat down.

 

So did the repaste and retest and the temps are much better.
The scores relatively I think the same, I didn't run it multiple times or anything just ran the appt and snipped.




CPU before repaste :


here is what the heatsink looks like, it's as if it's pasted twice , like repasted right ontop of old paste or something :



Here is what the system looks like inside :

 

So before repaste :


After repaste:


CONCLUSION : Repaste very successful and recommended.

I did notice the fans were not on when idle, thus is makes less noise. I do not even think they went full blast during the benchmark.

 

Thanks so much! Do you have any idea if the 1060 would be hotter (i.e. if the 905hp6 would have similar thermals)?

I find this all very odd though. Half the reviews I see on this device say "Wow, super cool and fast. Best thing ever!". The other half say: "Bad thermals, throttles on games.". Is it just the luck of the draw?

 

Luck, thermal paste, usage; it runs fairly well as long it's on a flat surface and has space to exhaust air. You never know what kind of abuse/misuse some reviews are speaking from, unfortunately.

 

nah it would be probably 5-10C less as my educated guess.

I think, stock, the way it's pasted from factory, it would be 50/50

From what I;ve seen, the pictures show a cheap method of applying thermal paste, it's not that it's bad, it's just how they do things in laptops.

The issue is, it's borderline, it is suited well for some users, and not for others.

If I had to guess, in a hot room, with the laptop being used extensively for 12 hours, and little ventilation, and on the lower end of paste jobs stock, it would be maybe 10C worse then my stock was. It would then throttle if I had to guess.

However - in such situation, many laptops would throttle. The cases where they do not, are ones designed for like 1080's and have larger heatsinks and larger fans and more room etc...

This laptop has a lower powered 1070, thus less power less heat, but still very very close to full performance.

What I would recommend is a SLIGHT undervolt on the GPU and CPU, the CPU more than the GPU, because the GPU can handle it and seems to be lower temps at full load then the CPU is, thus again, I am relatively sure anyone throttling is CPU throttling.

ALSO - as a precaution, I added a copper shim and some paste of course, naturally to the PCH controller as well, just incase, because it had no sink on it, probably doesn't need it, but in Alienware's that were thin, I always noticed performance and stability increase with doing this, and as such I also offered this in all models anyone purchased from me, be it Alienware or Clevo , MSI etc.

 

Woodzstack, Thanks so much for all your work here. I suppose I have one last question (directed at anyone really). I often keep laptops for a significant time, nurturing them like the small metal beasts that they are. As such, build quality matters to me. Is there really a significant difference between the p650 and p950 in this regard? I know people say that the lid on the p650 is a bit flimsy, but is it so bad that people actually worry about it when putting the machine in a bag? I suppose I should also ask (my other "last question"): Is the weight difference between these two machines substantial? To those who have lugged around both: Do you mind the difference?

Thanks!

 

To be honest, the build quality is about the same maybe actually better in the P650 where they use the same materials everywhere, overall. Meanwhile the P50 appeals to us consumers better and feels more solid but is much thinner, and lighter, and the fans are thinner. It sort of feels like the P950 has a stronger lid on the panel, yes, but keep in mind the whole laptop is thinner, and naturally feel's more flimsy because of that - however it is not actually flimsy per se, just feels like it should be, because it's so light and thin.

 

You've been a champ answering all this questions. Let me go ahead a d ask the most direct one. If you were choosing between the p650hp6 and the p950hp6 (both without g-sync) which would you choose and why? At this point of your testing I really trust your opinion.

Thanks! And thanks for all of your posts.

 

Hmm... what would I choose, personally, would depends on my current needs.

The P650 line I would take for more rugged activities, and travel, it's fans are just a tiny bit larger and such so it should keep cool better, which I think it does.

The P950 line I'd take if I wanted to be fancy, cause it's damn right gorgeous, but if I was unsure of my environment I'd not bring it.
ever have a laptop that you thought was too easy to steal or too risky to take out of the house ? I get that with this one. It's like a mac book in some ways. It will turn heads more then the 650 will.

Now, if I was sure of my environment, like I know Im going to an office space and nothing else, and its clean and clear and has no clutter and is spacious and comfortable, I'd prefer my P950. Like it's looks do contribute to a sense of polish and prestige, also being super damn thin and aluminium construction really makes it stand out. Like I'd wear a watch and my wedding ring and some nice clothes while using it.

Whereas on my lap on the couch in my PJ's with half my ass sticking out, I'd use the P650, who cares it it gets scratched or dirty or if I put it down on a cushion or cloth, it will be fine for a bit. I'd treat it like an old ipad that we lounge around with, bulky enough to take up space but not too much, and useful enough to want to bring anywhere but good enough construction I'm not too worried, but not so posh that I'd be afraid to get it dirty.

Some people are more pretentious then others. I go from one extreme to the other with very little middle ground all the time, so I'd actually use both, at different times. If I had to guess which is going to die first from equal amounts of increasing abuse, I would say the P950 would die first, but this is conjecture and speculation, and I have no evidence that it would actually, just guessing, an educated guess from past experiences, BUT - sometimes things change and you get these smaller systems that are rock solid and never die every so often, some of the signs of such things are when they undervolt or lower the clock on some videocards, 5-10% and are using lower powered components.

I've seen more cases where these laptops, when built decently - last forever and never burn out. I've also seen MANY more cases where cheap and less expensive and cost saving measures were put into a laptop, and 75% of them are DOA or dead within first 30 days, my worst experiences were with Lenovo's, where I thought to try saving a buck and buy my wife a laptop to use around the house for cheap, and had to go through 6 of them in a row, before giving up, and demanding money back and vowing to never again touch or speak of the incident in detail. Same time - I also had similar experience with an M17X-R4 which is famously rugged and powerful, but the issue was in DELL's QA control really, and not the method used to make thier laptops, as Alienware were rock solid hands down back then.

I once had this cheap Toshiba Satellite pro (actually still have it) it's like 10 years old or more, and it's still one of the best laptops I own, looks cheap, feels cheap, but holy ****, it's taken a beating, and never hiccupped one bit ever, and still works amazingly fast, and puts newer stuff to shame these days because of how amazing it was for its time and how well it's kept up, while being powered on now, for almost a decade with very few off's (use it for media center now in our Gym, and before that as mobile server, and for years I played games like NWN and Oblivion on medium settings... still never repasted it.)

 

Hi woodzstack, thanks for the informative posts! If you don't mind me asking again Ramsey66's question regarding the weight difference (power supply included)? I mostly use a laptop for teaching (occasionally for travelling) and during a school day I can carry my laptop around to 4-5 different location (plus I'm almost always going to work by foot). Thanks a lot!

 

between which laptops ? or you speaking about the weight difference of having the cooling pad included ? (the cooling pads weigh next to nothing in comparison to the system as a whole)

 

Between the p650 & p950 (what a quick reply!)

 

Well the 950 is a bit thinner and lighter, like maybe slightly noticeable, with PSU and what not.