Clevo P751dm-g Egpu or gtx1060/70 upgrade ?

Hello, first of all this forum rocks so why i'm here, about 2 years ago i got this fantastic notebook,but nowadays my nvidia gtx970m is been too slow for a good gaming.

So the problems is... atm i have a unused gtx1070 FE, so my question is can i buy for example a razer core X and use the gtx1070 on my notebook ?

Or can i buy a gtx 1060/70 mxm3.0b and put it on my notebook and sell my gtx1070FE ?

.... Wich is the best thing to do ?

This my bios and TB3 version :

 

You could but thunderbolt would limit the speed of the 1070 quite significantly due to chipset (it connects to this and not the CPU directly) and translation (from tb3 to pcie) latencies.

There are various threads with regards to upgrades on this model, have you also checked the owners lounge?

 

Thanks can you give to me a link ?

about the Egpu performance it's unplayable ? or just a fps drops ? it's good for fps gaming ?

Sorry for my english...

 

I'd have to search them out myself, check out linus tech tips on eGPU performance, they covered the performance difference quite well.

 

I know about performance drop, but what i really care is about lag or tearing, if i get 20% or 25% fps drop it's not a big problem since it will be A LOT faster than my gtx970 ...

 

They go over that with minimums etc, give the videos a watch.

 

i saw the LTT video about Egpu, and yes the performance drop it's about 30% but he didn't show if performance on real gaming are good about lag or tearing, and i have another question it will work on my notebook ? it's hard to setup ?

P.S:
i also forgot to say, i'm already using my notebook with external monitor 2560x1440

 

@Thedoktor84
If I remember correcly, there is guide on egpu.io for using an egpu with a p750. check this link https://egpu.io/build-guides/
A user installed a mxm gtx1060 here on NBR, check my signature for more infos

 

After some Digging:
gtx1060m MXM3.0B

Very expansive
Need custom cooler ?
Need a new powersupply ?
Need a custom bios ?
i will lose Gsync ?
performance close to my GTx970m (OC)


Egpu:
RazerCore X (Expansive like 300Euro) but if will not work i can turn it back (amazon)
GTX1070FE (i already have 0 euro)
External monitor (i already have it 27" 2560x1440 and 27" 1920x1080)
Need a custom bios ( hot swap PCIEXP ?)
Perfomance Boost over my gtx970m ( 2560x1440 egpu seems to drop less perfomance)
My notebook have a full thunderbolt 3 pciexp 4 lanes ?
It will be easy to install ? custom driver ? need to disable gtx970m ?
it's plug and play ? (i travel a lot) so when i go home i just want to plug the TB3 cable and play....

 

atm find a bios modder it's very hard, what happened ?

 

eGPU is probably the better way to go. While you will lose some performance, you still have the upgradability that MXM doesn't have. MXM has been going down the crappers lately and it became more and more difficult to upgrade.

You do not need custom BIOS etc. Those threads you're reading are all for the GDC Beast, which are completely different from the Razer Core via thunderbolt for instance.

Also no need for custom drivers, should be easy to install and yes, you need to disable the GTX 970M since it can cause issues.

 

Thank you... Yes upgrading MXM vga it's like a nightmare, super expansive, no support at all, bios issue, ecc... now with thunderbolt 3 and in future with the 4, MXM notebook are pretty DEAD.

i will buy the razer core and i will post here if it's all ok...

 

exacly MXM cards are getting different form factors, getting vBios which contain infoirmation about CPU etc. The last time cards where plug and playish where with maxwell cards.

And yeah, post some benchmarks, really interested to see the performance, I have a notebook 1070, so you could compare 1:1

 

Then again a 1060 mxm will out perform most tb3 solutions.

 

basically an egpu with gtx1070 performs like a mxm gtx1060 or so
and an egpu with gtx1080 performs like a mxm gtx1070 or so

 

for what i read about in 2560x1440p (is the resolution of my monitor) the gtx1060mxm it's completely out of the game, and the TB3 gtx1070 will outperform in any situation

because at high resolution the Cpu latency it's not a crucial factor because the bottleneck is the video card and not the cpu, (the cpu can feed enough the video card with good amount of DRAW CALL)
in 1920x1080 it's a different story expecially in older DX11 game...

maybe i'm wrong, maybe not

 

Then you read wrong unfortunately, this is also just looking at averages, your max 1% frame times also suffer.

 

Ok, but the problem is, this is the only solution, i cannot fit a gtx1060 \ 1070 on my notebook

Clevo did not support any vga other than 965\970\980m on my notebook.

 

there are multiple solutions for your laptop and you could found a gtx1060 or a gtx1070

these are mxm 3.0b gtx1070 cards
this is a zotac card


this is an asrock card

This is a Gecube card


this is an asrock gtx1060 from a deskmini.

This card is produced by Aetina


there is also a mxm 3.0b msi gtx1060

 

it's plug and play ?

Bios ?
power supply ?
heatskin ?
g-sync ?

as i know the answer is NO, all of these card are unsupported, i need to do many modification on my notebook wich i do not want to do, and after all there is always a chance that's something go wrong and these card wont works on my notebook ...

i'm wrong ?

 

a gtx1060 was successfully used in a p750dm-g, so what are you talking about?
there is a dedicated thread for that
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...levo-p750dm-g-drivers-incompatibility.812741/

you can also found more informations about mxm upgrades here
Successful MXM GPU Upgraded Laptops
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/successful-mxm-gpu-upgraded-laptops.805136/

 

No info about it...
what heatsink he used ?
custom bios ?
power supply ?

ecc.... so it's the same question ... it's possible to upgrade to a 1060\1070 mxm ? yes, it's easy or documented ? NO at all..

 

You need to make sure the heatsink fits the VRM/inductors but the cards should just plug in and work other than that.

 

This is the main problem, there is no documentation at all... another problem is the powersupply wich is not enough for a 1070mxm, also g-sync it's another problem (custom bios), and so on....

there are too many unknowns problems, i'm not going to pay over 500 euro for a VGA wich can not work at all...

 

Forget G-sync over having the MXM card, external G-sync still works fine if you have an external monitor. A 1060 would be covered by a 240W PSU no problem, a 1070 would be a stretch.

 

Ok g-sync no problem, my psu is 230W, gtx1060 will be fine, the problem is where can i buy a gtx1060mxm3.0b wich can fit on my current heatsink ?

 

My PA70HS-G (PowerSpec 1710) w/ GTX1070M came with a 230W PSU. Are you saying I should upgrade the PSU?

 

Desktop cpu/chipset are quite different power wise.

 

your notebook has a mobile cpu, mine have desktop cpu wich need at least the double of the power maybe even more.

 

You did your research correcly.
It won't perform at the same level as the MXM GTX 1070, but will outperform a 1060.

As you clearly are showcasing you really dislike the idea of having no gsync, have to mod drivers, modding heatsink and so on.Therefore I see no reason as to why you should force yourself to pay an imense amount of money to get a 1070 into your system. The forums are riddled with problems that 1070s are causing like blackscreen, Gecube cards dying, Performance problems etc.. Hell @sicily428 even linked some 1070 versions that flatout don't work in your notebook and would cause EC panic."asrock" is a dell card for instance, that will cause EC panic on all clevos.

Also if you're lucky and got one of the very few good 970Ms I would strongly recommend overclocking it. It is one of the best OC cards out there and can compete with a 1060 in terms of performance once overclocked. The good 970Ms can actually reach core clocks like 1.5 - 1.6ghz no problem.

You could also consider the route of selling your notebook and grab an Alienware instead. Now these eGPU solutions from Alienware are a very different story. They have next to no bottleneck in their eGPU solutions.

Stock notebook 1070:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13312895

Stock 1070 in Alienware eGPU solution:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/11803798

 

Yes that's why i'm completely avoiding the gtx1060mxm upgrade, because there are too many problems, i have already buyed a Sonnet 350w egpu enclosure at very good price (250euro) it will shipping on friday, i will post benchmark result here....

i know alienware and it's propietary egpu enclosure, maybe in the future i will buy one of these for sure.

the mxm standard in my opinion it's pretty dead, with thunderbolt 4 (pci exp 4.0) the egpu will be the standard..

P.S :
i will never buy clevo notebook anymore, the support it's completely INESISTENT !

 

Support in what way exactly? Was the machine advertised to you as upgradable?

While there have been many cases, there has always been some work on internal GPU upgrades, for a variety of reasons. You have been presented with the results and work required showing it is possible. That's about as good as it has ever been and is a lot better than any other brand out there.

So while I appreciate things could be easier on this front getting angry that the support is better than anyone else seems a little odd.

 

Don't even go that route. The support of clevo is absolutely terrible, to the point where we even get people like Prema who attempt to fix it, while many things will never get fixed.

@Thedoktor84 The MSI GTX 1060 is basicially plug and play, it's the 1070s that cause issues. That being said, overclocking your current 970M would result in close to the same performance as a GTX 1060, meaning it would be rather pointless opting for a minor upgrade.

 

Oh come on, you keep putting other brands on pedestals even when others point out their flaws, if your flavor of the month it can do no wrong in your what has become a crusade, so don't give me that.

A 970M can get towards a 980M, which can get towards a 980 which is around the 1060 if you want to put it that way, not massively close in modern titles.

 

P751dm-g still have driver dated 2016 !!! yes, asking for a updated driver it's just a miracle !!!

And yes my notebook is supposed to be upgradable, but in fact it isnt ....

 

atm i get around 7000 points on the firestrike with the 970m the gtx1060 is around 9000 wich is a 20% faster, a gtx1060 it's really very expansive so it's not worth it..

 

incorrect, the GTX 1060 stock is around 11.5k, a good GTX 970M can reach around 10k if not more. As I said, if you have a good 970M, you should overclock it, it's worth it.

if you want you could take of your heatsink and make a picture of your card. that way I can tell you if you got a good or bad 970M

Also your notebook is upgradable, it is only a pain in the ass to upgrade past a 1060.

 

That is the reseller responsibility, not Clevo.
And from what I gather, most resellers offer updated drivers.

 

My notebook it's original clevo.. and clevo did not provide any updated driver.

 

over 1.2-1.3ghz the gtx970m need a custom bios, as i know the power limit lock the overclock..
Yes it is, but u need always to do nasty trick...

Clevo must sell gtx1060\70 compatible with all previous clevo model..... who has clevo laptop can update it easly and safe, but clevo simply do not care..

 

it's not clevos fault, nobody could know nGreedia would stop making MXM cards after maxwell.

If you provide a picture of your card and I can see that its a good 970M, then I can make a custom vBios for you.

 

you mean a gpu-z screenshoot ? or a picture of my mxm3.0b card ?

 

Of the actual card. Some 970M have bad components, others have good.

 

You can get graphics drivers from Nvidia, other than that the rest really don't need to updated.

 

You're right, more like replacement. Soundriver, controlcenter, keyboardLED, touchpad drivers all need replacement not update.

 

ControlCenter it's the most buggy software....

 

Memory chip:


The whole card:


The whole card 2:


back card:

 

Well you got cheaped out on the card
It won't overclock far I'm afraid.

 

Samsung chip aren't good ? as always out of luck

 

Nah samsung is absolutely fine, you only have 2 mosfets, which are simply not enough, there are other 970M versions which have 4.