Clevo P751dm-g Egpu or gtx1060/70 upgrade ?

It was manufactured by Clevo, but it wasn't sold to you by Clevo.
The company that sold you the laptop is the one that has to provide updated drivers.

 

I buyed my notebook on a local computer seller wich directly import from clevo, so again, clevo must release updated driver....

i higly doubt my local computer reseller have a source code of control center and can fix bug and recompile the software....

clevo control center it's open source ?

 

Exacly, thats why we have this massive mess of a control center.

Luckily Obsidian PC made their own control center with keyboard LED and a fan control software. Worth the purchase.

 

No. Your local store must give you proper support.

No he doesn't, but he has newer versions of the Control Center he can test and check if it fixes certain bugs.

No. It's buggy and it's the only thing you can really pin to Clevo. Drivers... the seller must provide them to you.

This.

Again, drivers and CC are different things.
CC you can blame Clevo for their poor support and development of the tool.
Drivers are the sellers responsibility to update.

 

Nope, what about the garbage sound drivers?
No software to control fan etc.?
All my drivers for my clevo are from external sources such as intel and microsoft. I don't have a single driver from any reseller or clevo.

When it comes to software, clevo is the absolute bottom.

 

When i buyed a clevo, "my mind repeatly saying, buy it, u can upgrade it, also use standard components so driver must be easy to find"

Well, after 2 years, the notebook at hardware level it's pretty strong, but software side it's a disaster, Intel ME not updated, BIOS completely outdated,Driver and control center it's like a joke

next purchase ? alienware or asus rog.... but the egpu alienware it's very very good so...

 

Alienware is the most futureproof notebook right now due to its AMP, but has some issues when it comes to cooling, unless you use AMP, then the cooling is absolutely amazing.
If you decide to go for asus, then accept nothing less than the Chimera, it is not upgradable, but you will really enjoy it. It's a really pleasant experience.
I would also recommend MSI GT series, the CPU is not upgradable, but the GPU is to some extend, it's MXM but as you can see, MXM is kinda a wash at the moment.

 

my local store it's a lonely guy wich do not have absolutely a "newer version of control center" even a bios upgrade it's a miracle "clevo must release this"

here the list wich only clevo can release :

BIOS update
Vbios Update
Clevo Control Center
Intel ME firmware update
Intel TB3 firmware update

i never see a local computer store to mess with bios or firmware, a wrong move and your notebook is done...

 

In this particular moment of my life i need, portability and power, when i'm outside i need cpu power gpu it's not crucial (VC++ 8.0, NASM x86, VB) compilers and a lot of VMWARE , when i'm home i need cpu+gpu power so the alienware solution it's perfect, because when i'm home i will always use the notebook with AMP.

the razer are also good, very portable notebook, maybe when TB4 will be released i will think on razer...

 

Then it's his fault. Drivers must be provided by him.

BIOS updates can be made by resellers. Many of the big resellers have their own customized BIOS.
vBIOS don't need update, unless you have a massive problem.
Control Center, yes. But you have a good, albeit paid, alternative called Obsidian Tools.
TB and ME updates. Intel provides those, they must be packaged to be properly installed on the laptops. Again, seller responsibility. I think Prema managed to provide some of these.

I think alot of people think Clevo is a brand like HP, Razer, Dell or MSI. It's not, it's just the manufacturer. The store/reseller that sells you the laptop is the one responsible to update and support your laptop.

 

Razer break fast, unless they change their motherboard design razer would be a poor decision.

yeah in your case an Alienware with 8950HK + GTX 1070 would be absolutely perfect. once hooked on the AMP you can then run once newer cards later on.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17185315 MSI notebook with TB3 on an RTX 2080 ti, around stock GTX 1080 non TI performance.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17152258 Alienware 15 R2 from 2015 running RTX at full performance.

 

This is enough for run fast as i can away from clevo, i didnt know when i buyed, i will never make mistake again, clevo it's dead for me

 

That's the reason you should carefully choose a Clevo reseller.

But just a heads up. Don't expect miracles with other manufacturers, some things are better (namely a proper Control Center), but others (drivers and bios updates) are just the same or worse.

 

the difference between TB3 and external pciexp alienware (i think they just external a m.2 socket)
it's massive

tomorrow i must get my egpu enclosure, the first test i want to make it's 3dmark drawcall, to see tb3 latencies..

 

Only obsidian offers a proper control center.

It's such a waste tho, clevo has potential but no manufacturer fully utilizes it. Clevo notebooks are basicially modding boxes.

@ Thedoktor84
Well it depends on resolution, graphicscard etc. but yeah, alienware AMP are clearly faster than TB3. For a 1070 you will lose som performance, but not to 1060 levels. The higher you go the more performance you lose, when it comes to alienware AMP tho, it seems performance is nearly 100%.

 

Already noted in another comment

 

i'm in italy, all clevo reseller just sucks.

i never buy a notebook on a reseller outside my country, because when i have a problem i just take car 5 minutes and bring my notebook to a reseller for the warranty, i need fast fixing...

 

It's here:

 

Keep us updated with benchmarks, would be interested to see how much its bottlenecked.

 

Here the first resoult....
as i expected this is the real bottleneck

egpu gtx1070:


970m:


as we can see, the vulkan\dx12 drawcall are pretty low that's why some games suffer more than others...

the bottleneck it's all here...

 

Firestrike standard

egpu 1070:


970m:


Performance boost it's HUUUGE

 

FireStrike Extreme egpu 1070:


FireStrike Ultra egpu 1070:



as we can see, more the videocard have to work, less is the performance drop,firestrike ultra behave like a standard gtx1070 with 0% performance drop..

this is because the videocard have to work more,so less drawcalls are needed...

 

Meanwhile stock notebook GTX 1060
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13913018

Clearly 1060M levels

11.5k= 15.3k, so obvious. I guess he wasted lots of money because clearly he should have went for the MXM route.

 

Pretty happy to not waste money on gtx1060m crap... the gtx1070mxm it's very good but the 1060m it's crap

anyways....

timespy egpu 1070:


timespy 970m:

 

Have you tried games yet?

you can also try unigine heaven and superposition.

 

Unigine heaven preset EXTREME:

 

SuperPosition Medium:


SuperPosition Extreme:

 

Try a game like Deus Ex mankind divided.

 

Fallout 76 is perfect, very smooth (this is the game i wan't to play)
i'm installing right now deus ex.

P.S :
i'm searcing a steam key.

 

Games like:
Witcher 3, Crysis 3, Metro, Deus Ex Mankind Devided, Rise of the tomb raider, Shadows of mordor

are great for testing your GPU performance.

 

Perhaps this thread will help explain it better - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-n950tp6-n957tp6.812481/page-29#post-10808621 . I'm not saying you have to like it, but only trying to explain how it works. The key is finding a reseller that supports the laptop they sold you.

 

here in my country all clevo reseller just sucks, dell and hp different story...

 

I'm not up to speed on the Italian marketplace, but from a "Prema Mod" point of view, it looks like there's ClevoCenter in Portugal and DreamMachines in Poland would do. And I now @Ultra Male (who is in the Middle East) always recommends the Global Warranty and works with HIDevolution in the United States. Another US Prema Partner is LPC-Digital, but I do not know how well they do with shipping overseas.

And I'm sure there are other European (and others may opine), but Obsidian-PC in Portugal and XMG in German come to mind in Europe. Also there's this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-resellers-in-the-european-union-v1.652403/ that may help you find someone that can help with future support issues with your laptop.

 

Buy a notebook outside your country, it's not always a good idea, for different reason, the first one is time fixing, wich in many case u can wait even weeks, different story if you buy on your local reseller wich can even give to you another notebook in the meanwhile

 

Here it is:

 

Cheers for that, you can see the fuller picture of the eGPU now, you get performance, it's not a total waste there just a penalty particularly in certain games.

I hope you enjoy the setup.

 

there is a performance drop, especially on FHD when i play on WHQD it's even better, more the resolution\detail is high less is the performance drop, anyways it's always better than gtx1060mxm for different reason

1) usually the egpu 1070 perform better then any gtx1060mxm in some case even 100% better
2) it's plug and play, very easy
3) it's upgradable even with a future RTX3080TI 24gb vram (0 problem)
4) my notebook temperature it's DRAMATICALLY lower by a lot

 

My post above contains a link to European Clevo resellers. Maybe there's one closer if you're having problems with your current reseller.

In regards to outside your country, my guess is that opinions may vary on this (hint for @Ultra Male to talk about his experience). However, going with a local reseller which gives you Zero support doesn't make sense either.

Good luck to you.

 

DELL or HP it's like nutella, clevo it's like sh*t, same color same consistency, different flavours

 

Not sure I agree about the Clevo part as there are good options for boutiques in my "neck of the wood." I guess we can say "Opinions vary"

However, in regards to your Dell and HP comment... Exactly!! And I might point out a valid comparison since we all know... https://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/m3n4o/nutella_sucks_its_overrated_and_a_rip_off_of/

 

Anyways today some of my friend give to me another gift:


..... wich drop more performance AMD or NVIDIA ?

i can test drawcall and other things on a AMD card.... yes rx580 it's more weaker than a gtx1070 but....

 

1070 outperforming a 1060 by 100%? Please link this.

 

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Could you put it on ultra and run benchmark again? Sadly there is no high settings comparison

 

look firestrike ultra

Stock 1060
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14590805

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pag..._graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html

 

Well then maybe set game to DX 11 and test on high again? =D

 

i did... the setting i used is dx11 on high

 

Ah i see you deseletected DX 12.

Still much better than notebook 1060

 

That's a low score for a 1060. I'd expect it to be at least over 2500 graphics score worst case.

 

it's around 2000-2200 for stock 1060mxm, gtx1070 it's around 4500 pts so yes it's 100% more faster