Clevo P775DM3 or EUROCOM Tornado F5?

hi there,

i recently found out that the F5 isnt a clevo bb, so i wonder which one is better in terms of cooling? I know that the p775 is a 17 inch Laptop and has an "advantage" because of that, but maybe EUROCOM did a better Job in heatsink Design or whatever

@Mr. Fox @Papusan and all the others

 

Eurocom F5:


Clevo P775DM3:


Sidenote, the clevo runs a 6700K, which is scary considering that the 7700K WAY more hot that the 6700K, which you can read about here:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55219/7700k-vs-6700k-much-hotter-barely-faster/index.html

another sidenote:
The 775DM series is noitorious for being horrible at cooling.

EDIT: The DM1 even shutdown on stresstest:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Sky-DLX7-Clevo-P775DM1-Notebook-Review.155423.0.html

 

Just keep in mind that the MSI in this sample has a 1070 while the Clevo a 1080...
Also never use Furmark guys, it kills every system sooner or later.

 

Jep, Was only talking about CPU. Most notebooks have issues with the CPU temps, while GPU mostly seems fine.

 

I7-6700k or I7-7700k need to be delidded

 

The CPU & GPU heatpipes on the P7 are inter-connected. So running Furmark on it's own would already heat-up the CPU to max after a while without even putting it under any load.
Hence these Furmark tests are pretty meh in general to get an idea about a real-life-usage-scenario...

 

Theoreictly it should, but as we can see it doesn't, which is interesting, maybe someone here who has some high physics degree can tell us why that is

 

Huh? It is exactly what we can see happening in that P7 test there...the 1080 under Furmark load gives the CPU no chance to go anywhere with its own heat.

 

We see a 1hour 11mins and 41 seconds stresstest with a CPU temperature at stable ~97C and a GPU of stable ~68C. If your theory is correct, the GPU should slowly up the temperature over time, which it doesn't do.



EDIT: Omg, I'm dumb, u're talking about clevo, not the Eurocom F5. Yeah u're right, I guess putting a GPU right next to the CPU and connecting it with heatpipes also helps a lot on that matter. :s

 

may be that is not delidded

 

It definitely helps given the heatsink on the P775 is a unified design. Running a 1060 will bring temps down some, but obviously means a performance hit.

 

We can only see the (throttled) GPU core temp. The cooler covers the entire MXM board incl. power phases, MOSFET's & vRAM.
Running Furmark for 5 Minutes on any GPU model and then briefly touching a power phase will probably require medical attention due to a mild burn...

 

I already edited my last post.. thought u were talking about the F5 and not P775. Well yeah, idk I'm really not sure as to why you would connect GPU and CPU like that, might as well just make 1 huge heatsink and slap it on instead :s

On the F5 they connected it via 1 long heatpipe and the CPU is quite far away from the GPU, on the Clevo they are right next to each other o.o

 

Yeah, not a big fan of it either...
They do it mainly to safe on the cooling size and support scenarios where mainly either the GPU or the CPU is used and not both are under constant combined load.

 

Most users do have unbalanced usage in their day to day so you can see why that's gone for.

 

I'd rather go with the P775DM3 personally, but that's just me. My friend has the F5 and although it's nice and all , I prefer the Clevo system.

Delided 6700K runs hot in his F5 as well.

 

Why?

 

I like Prema's BIOS. Also the 17.3" panel has 2560x1440 120hz or 4K 100% AdobeRGB panel options.

I don't like the touch pad buttons on the MSI. Keyboard is nice though.

 

As a former owner of the P775DM3 (delidded 7700K/1080) and an owner of the MSI 16L13 (delidded 7700K/1080), I will tell you first hand to STAY away from the P775DM3. Under the same conditions (no delid) for both computers, the P775DM3 runs slightly cooler* at idle with stock speeds. It is when you OC, that the MSI 16L13 rips the P775DM3 apart and the better designed heatsinks** of the 16L13 prevails.

Even if you don't plan to OC, a delidded 7700K in the MSI 16L13 will beat the P775DM3 in temps at idle. I thought I could conquer the unified heatsink in the P775DM3 but I couldn't.

*The P775DM3 with a repaste, no delid ran about 5C less than the 16L13. It could be due to the larger fans or the aggressive cooling profile on the P775DM3.
**As others have commented, the heatsinks in the MSI 16L13 aren't truly unified. They cool much better than the crap Clevo put into the P775DM3.

 

It's an uneven comparison to show a much lighter heaven on the f5 vs prime+furmark on the p775

Here's the prime+furmark on the 7700k+1070 F5 with max fans:


And p775dm3 with 6700k+1080 on valley:

 

Yeah I know, that's why I posted the furmark + prime test later, I had the wrong link. But yeah, the P775 has really high temperatures. I find it funny how valley makes the P775 get higher temperatures than the F5 stresstested.

 

Are any of the Cpus delidded?

 

No. All the screenys are from notebookcheck reviews. Being a reviewer they don't delid the CPUs themselves and I'm pretty sure they've not ever had a delidded CPU to in a review unit. They should, IMO it's a stupid thing not to have for a routine heavy workload (regular long gaming or encoding sessions) or overclocking, and the non-performant Intel goop under the IHS puts the socketed units at a big disadvantage compared to the naked die BGAs in comparable similar priced platforms from MSI et al

 

If anyone is still interested, I can make a good comparison as I own both 775dm3 for desktop purposes F5 is the roadie laptop.

 

me too.