Clevo W350ETQ and W370ET

It surprises me that there is so little information about these two laptops. So I thought, why not make a thread? It would be good to do something useful for NBR instead of asking questions all the time.

W350ETQ
CPU: from Intel i3-2350M to i7-2860QM
RAM: from 2GB to 16GB DDR3
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M 2GB GDDR5

Connections:
1 x Bluetooth (optional)
3 x USB 3.0
1 x USB 2.0
1 x eSATA
1 x HDMI
1 x Mikrofon
1 x Kopfhörer
1 x SPDIF-out
1 x RJ45
1 x DC-in
2 x Mini Card Slot
1 x Kensington Schloss Buchse

Dimensions:
Height: 1,63 cm (front) / 4,14 cm (rear)
Width: 37,4 cm
Depth: 25,0 cm
Weight: 2,7 kg

Information
This laptop is best comparable with the W150ERQ. The graphic card is very similar. The GTX 660M is better than the DDR3 version of the GT 650M, but the difference isn't that big when compared to the GDDR5 version of the GT 650M. The difference between the GT 650M 2GB GDDR5 and the GTX 660M 2GB GDDR5 is small.

Links
by: One - ONE Computer Shop
W350ETQ

Computex 2012 pictures (W350ETQ and W370ET): Computex 2012 Booth Raid: CLEVO | Jagat Review

Clevo W370ET
Everything is the same, but bigger!

Links
One Gaming Notebook K73-2O by: One - ONE Computer Shop
Logical Blue One - Horize W370ET Clevo Notebook
BM CLEVO W370ET - PREORDER! - [CLEVO] - BLUEMOBILITY
W370ET

ONE K73-2O (W370ET) press release (in German): http://www.one.de/marketing/Pressemitteilungen/K73-2O.pdf
Computex 2012 pictures (W350ETQ and W370ET): Computex 2012 Booth Raid: CLEVO | Jagat Review

Pictures
W350ETQ
http://www.jagatreview.com/wp-conte...q-core-i7-gtx-660m-w25aes-core-i7-gt-630m.jpg (left)
http://i.imgur.com/4UKHV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cT4xv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/se6LK.jpg

W370ET
http://www.bluemobility.pl/images/W370ET_003.jpg
http://www.bluemobility.pl/images/micro/w370et_pic5.jpg
http://www.bluemobility.pl/images/micro/W370ET_002.jpg
http://www.bluemobility.pl/images/W370ET_001.jpg
http://www.jagatreview.com/wp-conte...o-w271euq-core-i7-w370et-core-i7-gtx-660m.jpg (right)
http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_14.html
http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_15.html
http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_16.html
http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_17.html

 

So my german's not too good. Does it mention how many drives it can hold? Is it 2 plus an optical, like the W150ER? For the 15 inch, I mean.

 

The Polish site says the 15.6" model can hold up to three hard drives (when the optical drive is removed).

 

That is correct.

If you want pictures: I have a bunch from one.de and also from that Computex 2012 convention somewhere in Asia (from the looks of the language (Taiwan?)). I will upload them when I have time.

This is an interesting thread to read: Die Clevos kommen... W370ET / W350ETQ. It is in German, but you could translate it using translate.google.com

"The W370 is a "rubber-finish" C-cover (like the P150) and a matte black A-Cover have.
The W350 will probably have spotted piano finish on the A-Cover and plastic mats on the C-cover.

The request for final pictures from Taiwan running."

 

Edited the first post with some pictures.

Quote from Schenker (popular German Clevo reseller) in very bad english using translate.google.com:
"For that I have new details to the GTX 660M:
- The TDP of the graphics card is between 40 and 55W
- 384 CUDA cores, 835Mhz Core Clock, 2Ghz GDDR5 clock
- 128 bit memory interface (similar to the GT 555M in XMG A501)

And for the entire device:
- SATA 6G-connection!
- Hardware RAID on two drives slots!
- Three DDR3 RAM slots (two on rear, one under the keyboard)!
- Soft button to disable NVIDIA graphics card according to NVIDIA Optimus 2012!

The already published elsewhere photos from Computex we do not want to deny this point:

*** I also got these pictures from one.de. They are the same pictures, of the W350ETQ at the Computex 2012 Clevo booth

http://i.imgur.com/4UKHV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cT4xv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/se6LK.jpg

As you can see the keyboard layout has been modified compared to the mock-up easily.
Do you have any questions, comments or requests? We appreciate any feedback!"

 

Please note that this is not our bad english.
By the way: after having been delayed a little bit, the W370ET will hit the markets soon. We are expecting our sample in the next couple of days.

 

Although some people think that we all speak German in the Netherlands, I don't understand a word besides "uberhaupt" and "sowieso". I will change it to "very bad english by translate.google.com"

Awesome, can't wait for a review! I'm more interested in the 15 inch model though, do you know how much they differ? One.de Support said the following about the design of the two laptops ( Die Clevos kommen... W370ET / W350ETQ

But from the looks of the pictures from Computex 2012, there is no difference at all?

 

The W370ET will hit really really soon and I'm sure it's going to be a hit.

Regarding the W350ETQ.. kinda meh, still waiting for the 13"... heh

 

If the W370ET is going to be a hit, then so is the W350ETQ, or at least I hope so... I doubt there is going to be a huge difference besides the very obvious difference in screen size. I've never heard someone praising the W110 while complaining about the W150/W170. You could say that the W110 has a better size-performance ratio, but that's kinda it.

13"? That's a weird size. That kind of limits your options. A lot...

 

Looks like this W350ETQ will compete with the MSI GE60 (MS-16GA Barebones).

W350ETQ - 2 x 9.5mm HDD is nice. HM76 chipset so RAID isn't supported?
W370ET - HM77 chipset, so maybe RAID is supported.

Doesn't look like either has a SATA III mSata port?

But a 13" with the same hardware plus the 13" FHD IPS panel from the Asus Zenbook Prime UX32VD would be ideal.
Any idea if this is going to be announced this year?

 

Why the heck didn't they put one of these buttons on the two EM models?

These even look a lot more stylish than those. I like them.

 

Is the W350ETQ suppose to be step up from W150ER, but below the P15XEM models.

 

I am still in doubt between the MSI MS-16GA and the Clevo W350ETQ. The difference in performance shouldn't be too big, and the MSI Barebones is 50 euro cheaper. The biggest difference will probably be the build quality.

Where did it say the 15 inch has hm76, while the 17 inch has hm77?
What is the difference anyway, and what is RAID?
Here they indeed talk about HM77 and RAID: http://www.notebookchat.com/index.php/topic,35580.0.html?PHPSESSID=lfr2sl9k94bkfcpnh7i70io3g2 (translation: http://translate.google.com/transla...otebookchat.com/index.php/topic,35580.15.html)

I don't really know about any 13 models, sorry.

 

Hmm interesting, the two pics below of the 370ET don't quite match up (look at the num pad 0 key)





What gives?

 

This is the W370ET as shown at the Computex 2012 Clevo booth:

http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_15.html

So the second image you posted is correct. If you look closely, you can see that the power button has been switched to the right in the first image. It is supposed to be on the left, like in the second image and in the image from Computex 2012.

And here is a picture of the W350ETQ at the same booth:

 

Clevo seems to have superior build quality, in my opinion. I have the MSI and it's not as rigid as the Clevo P150HM I owned previously, but the MSI weighs less and is a lot more portable. Audio quality with headphones is superior with the MSI, in my opinion.

The BlueMobility links in post #1 shows the type of Intel chipsets. HM77 supports RAID, but it's up to the notebook manufacturer to implement this in the BIOS.

RAID means redundant array of inexpensive disks. It was established years ago for the enterprise server market to have data redundancy using off-the-shelf (inexpensive) HDDs.

RAID 1 uses two HDDs but Windows will see only one drive, but when you write data to the HDD, a mirror copy is made to the 2nd HDD. This is in case one HDD fails, then the other HDD will seamlessly take over, since it is a mirror copy of the other HDD. This is called data redundancy, and is important in a server, or any computer that needs to be powered on 24/7 or where the data cannot be lost if a drive fails.

RAID 0 isn't technically for data redundancy, but for speed. Two HDDs are seen by Windows as one large drive. When you write data to the drive, different parts of the data are written to both drives. This is called striping, and is for performance, since data is striped across both drives and can be accessed faster. There is no data redundancy with RAID 0.

RAID 5: Three+ HDDs with a mix of data redundancy and increased performance. This is the most popular choice for servers.

A modern SSD is considerably faster than two regular mechanical spinning HDDs in RAID 0. SSDs technically should be much more reliable than HDDs too, but there are many modern SSDs on the market with high failure rates due to poorly designed controller firmware, etc.

Two SSDs in RAID 0 will be faster when disk benchmarking, but will make no noticeable difference when compared to a single SSD, in my opinion.

Make sure you get a SATA III SSD and the computer that you are attaching it to has a SATA III port. Some newer computers still only have the slower SATA II port.

Sorry for the long post.

 

No need to say sorry, thanks for the explanation!

The W350/W370 is going to support SATA III, so that isn't going to be a problem. My plan was to buy it with a 128 GB SATA III SSD + the slowest 500GB/1TB HDD I can get (for storage). So I guess in that case RAID isn't really needed.

But take a look at this: here they indeed talk about HM77 and RAID: Update zur GTX 660M (translation: Google Vertalen)

mysn.de support at NBR posted a reply in this thread yesterday, maybe he can confirm/deny RAID in the W350?

By the way, the pictures from http://www.bluemobility.pl/bm-clevo-w150erq-p-24542.html of the W350ETQ don't look like the pictures of the W350ETQ from the Computex 2012 booth at all. Aaand I now see that the link leads to the older W150ERQ model... My mistake!

 

Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't catch it.

Also, when clicking the first link for the One K56-2O (Clevo W350ETQ I believe?), and clicking the 'Galerie' tab, it shows photos of the MSI MS-16GA Barebones model. Still too new I guess.
by: One - ONE Computer Shop

 

Yes, that is because one.de currently sells the MSI MS-16GA under the name "ONE M56-2O". The K56-2O is supposed to replace it, but you aren't supposed to get to that link yet. I found it in a thread, but if you search from the one.de homepage, you will not find the K56-2O yet. The K73-2O (W370ET) is already available for pre-order, so there you can see what options are available for configuration. The K73-2O is supposed to replace the M73-2O, which is the 17 inch version of the MSI barebones (I don't know if it's also called MS-16GA...).

I kinda hate all the names. It can be very confusing. The MSI MS-16GA is the same as the GE60, right? But I believe the GE60 has an improved chassis? Better build quality?

 

I believe the MS-16GA Barebones and the GE60 are the same hardware, including the chassis. The 15" GE60 is finished in glossy black, with red accents and of course the design on the lid.
There is a flat matte finish 17" MSI Barebones (MSI 1756) available too:
Test One M73-2O Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests
FORCE 1756 / MSI 1756 - XOTIC PC - 17.3" Custom Gaming Notebook

Here's a large webpage with lots of photos and specs of the 15" GE60:
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The flex in the plastic chassis (and the creaking sounds) are definitely something to be concerned about if you are rough with it, but I suppose this makes it lighter and less expensive.

 

Hah, W350ETQ keyboard is different than 370ET - "up" arrow is not undersized

 

Thanks!

Well, "less expensive" isn't really true in my case. It's only 50 euro more. And besides better build quality, I also get a second 2.5" SSD/HDD slot, a slightly better GTX 660M and the HM77 chipset.

 

Yup, the Clevo is definitely the better deal.

Have you looked at the Lenovo Y580? i7 Quad Core + GTX 660M. Backlit keyboard, glossy LCD (1920x1080). Lots of aluminum.
IdeaPad Y580 - Powerful Gaming Laptop PC by Lenovo (US)

 

I may have missed it, any word on whether the W350ETQ/W370ET have backlit keyboards?

 

Nope, they don't! At least that's what mysn.de/one.de said.

 

Do we know when these are releasing?

The W350 has the keyboard layout I like and a GTX 660M is practically perfect for my gaming needs. I'm torn on a P150EM and whether to get a GTX 675M or 680M. I realize though for my needs, (light PC gamer, but do have some demanding games for ultra presets) that a 680M will outlast my laptop and a 675M may as well. So if the laptop is cheap enough, a 660M would be right up my ally. As long as I can still play games at 1080p, even if it means low preset 5 years from now, I'm happy.

 

Logical Blue One's website says Pre-Order ETA 7/30. If that's accurate, then I'm really surprised we haven't heard more from our big resellers around here.

 

One.de has the W370 on pre-order for the 5th of August, and Deviltech.de has it for the 17th of July (both with configuration options active).

Although you can probably count 2 to 3 weeks more for deviltech to deliver, if they get the parts on the 17th (Don't know about One.de).

I'm pretty impatient to see how the W350 fares too.

 

A short preview of the W370ET model: Vorstellung One K73-2O GTX 660M (Clevo W370ET) - YouTube

The fan looks a little small for cooling both CPU and GPU, but the fan intake is a lot bigger than the W170ER's, and there seems to be a vent around the RAM, so the cooling should be better than the W170ER's if nothing else.

 

So no mSATA on the 17 incher (that I can see) ? Interesting, I suppose if you have the space for 2 2.5" slots, that'll save customers some money on the SSD...

I'm more worried about the heatpipes than the fan, one for the GPU only (and not that big) ?
If you look at similar configurations:
- MSI uses 2 pipes on the GE's 660 (and 650), and a big one for the CPU.
- Lenovo uses 1 for the GPU and shares 1 for GPU+CPU on the Y580
- From what I can gather, HP dv6&7-7000 series uses one for each, plus a shared pipe.

I don't know if that has a big influence on temps, but that's a point to watch I think.

 

Vorstellung One K73-2O GTX 660M (Clevo W370ET) - YouTube

 

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but the w370et is up on clevo's site now. Any bare bone sellers out there want to sell me a pre-order?

CLEVO - Products

No sign on the w350et yet, though. I'd go with the w350 if it had the hm77 chip set. Since it doesn't I'm just going to have to get the bigger screen... lol.

 

Sad news.. so far RJTech only sells the 15" version
Clevo W25AES Notebook Computer, 15.6" LCD, Switchable nVidia GT 630M 1GB/Intel GMA HD GPU, Optimus Technology

they'll probably sell the 17" at some point not sure if it released yet, that's why

 

Actually the W25AES is a different model, unless they cancel led the W350ET (which had a GTX660) in favor if the new w25aes (which has a GT630). I pinged RJTech about it earlier this week and their reply was unfortunately:

Is there anyone else that sells bare bones? I'm new to the whole bare bones thing... It appears from my research so far that a lot of people have stopped selling bare bones recently.

 

PCSystems-EvolutionX -

Available to order now.
I wonder, how much is the weight. Is it truly 2.7kg like in OP? No official info on Clevo site yet.

 

Any word on when the Clevo W350ETQ will be released here in the U.S.? Any Sager resellers know?

 

RJTech already has it (stock I think)

 

No, they don't. They have the W370ET, but no W350ETQ. The Clevo W25AES you posted earlier is clearly not the same laptop. The W350 has the 660m GPU stock, not the 630m.

 

Oh I am embarrassing myself, sorry

you mean this one?

Spoiler

SOURCE, See the rest HERE

not in the US yet (as far as I know)

 

Oh boy, another reseller listing the W350 with the HM76 chip set. They also say it comes with 1.5 GB of VRAM and a backlit keyboard (read - they don't know what they're talking about). My bet is they don't have one and are just taking blind pre-orders to lock in people's money before the other vendors put up order forms.

 

The GTX660m in customization is actually 2GB. But they are missing many details in specification page.
At least is there .

 

Source:

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I just saw that NBC did a review of the W370ET on the 16th of july, but it has not been traduced from german.
Full with pics and details:

Here (used MS translate 'cause it keeps the right column)

All in all a very good laptop, they regret the sound quality and cpu throttling mostly.
Apparently the screen is gorgeous.

 

hehe yay 15"

 

Thanks for the MS Translator link. I had trouble getting it to work when I've tried to read the article in the past. Though, to be honest, it's almost easier to understand the native German than the butchered engrish that the MS Translator puts out. That being said, I agree mostly with their review. The touchpad is sub-par, but large (tweaking the settings should help out a lot). The keyboard is nice, but not backlit (which even Dell is making a standard option on all but its cheapest models). The construction is nice, but plastic. Not flexible, but you can tell its plastic from the feel. The speakers are good for laptop speakers in a 2.0 setup in my opinion. It definitely would have benefitted from a subwoofer (and there's plenty of room in the W370, so we just have to ask why not, Clevo?). They said that with the other models the THX software benefits the speakers greatly, but I haven't been able to get it to work at all yet, and opening the playback device in windows gives me an error message asking to disable playback enhancements for the speaker device because it is causing an error.
The GTX 660m is nice. It handles Portal 2 nicely with the settings maxed. I don't play many other games, though.

 

Has anyone added a 3rd drive to the W350ETQ optical drive bay using a caddy/sled yet?

Could anyone recommend a reliable vendor or link that sells the caddy that doesn't stick and still sits flush on the laptop body?