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    Clevo battery aging fast?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by lugaidster, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. lugaidster

    lugaidster Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi everyone,

    Is your battery aging fast? I have a Clevo P151EM1 and have had it for about 8-9 months now. I'm wondering if there's a problem with my battery or is the aging process correct.

    My battery is currently sitting at 16% wear level. That sounds to me like it's going out pretty fast. I have a Dell Studio that has three years and it's battery is sitting at 32% wear. It looks like my clevo is aging twice as fast. Is your battery aging as fast as mine?

    Regards,
    Lugaidster
     
  2. kookiesandmilf

    kookiesandmilf Notebook Consultant

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    i've had mine for 3 months and my battery wear is about 5%

    on the same topic, when clicking the battery icon, does it come with time remaining for you?
     
  3. cravenhorst

    cravenhorst Notebook Enthusiast

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    I just get a percentage remaining. As for battery wear, I've had my NP9150 since August and my battery wear is at 8%. However, I usually have the thing plugged in and seldom use the battery.
     
  4. TrantaLocked

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    I rarely use my NP9150's battery, which has a 4% wear level after 5 months of use. At this point I have probably used the battery 1% of the time, and I keep the battery installed while plugged in at all times.
     
  5. Silverfern

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    mines at 8 as well, just dont let your battery completely discharge, always get it to a power supply before it drops before 20, then it will go down real slowly. i discharged it completely 3 times, and its sitting at 8% wear
     
  6. hackness

    hackness Notebook Virtuoso

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    I recharge at around 15% and leave the battery installed when it hits 100%, over 6 months usage the wear level is around 3.8%.
     
  7. MrDJ

    MrDJ Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    here we go again....
    its been talked about many time and the advice that a lot give now a days compared to 4-5 years ago is it will cause no damage leaving your battery plugged in.
    no matter what anyone says im going from passed experience on my 4+ yearsc clevo.
    after 11 months it had lost 25% charge but i always left this one connected even though i 99% of the time was on mains power. i got it replaced and only plug the battery in now when i know im going to be using it and after 3 years it still has 98% charge.
    so my advice if these new batterys are loosing % fast is to remove them with a charge of 30-40% and keep them in a cool dry place and they will last longer.
    my 5 month old clevo still is holding 100% charge.

    heat is a batterys worst enemy.

    if you havnt got one you can get battery care or battery bar monitor in my sig below.

    edit: almost forgot. check with your resellers as batterys are only covered for 6 months or 1 year max depending on supplier and they are not covered by the normal 1-2 or extended warrantys.
     
  8. Tb5...

    Tb5... Notebook Geek

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    it might just be me. but i have no idea what you said in that post.

    are you saying leaving you battery plugged in has no effect on battery life?
     
  9. sangemaru

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    He's saying it's not being plugged in that's the problem, but the fact that the battery heats up, and he's right. Ideally, you shouldn't use the battery in the laptop if you don't need battery power.
    The best way to keep your battery alive for a long time if you're not going to use it is to stick it in a sealed vacuum bag and keep it in the fridge at 40-50% charge.
    Of course nobody ever does that, because I'd rather have my battery degrade and be on hand when needed than having to go to the fridge when the power cuts. And in my country at least the power provider is crap.
     
  10. MrDJ

    MrDJ Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    what im saying is in the past if you left your battery plugged in all the time when you was running on mains power it will drain and dammage your battery faster than if you removed it and kept it on your table and only connected the battery when you knew you was going to be running on battery.

    people are saying todays batterys dont get affected by being connected all the time but the amount that are being reported to be losing charge makes me think are these just cheeply made batterys or are they still being affected by heat and losing there charge.

    at work so dont have time to fully explain.
     
  11. Ingvarr

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    Battery that is attached continuously when always running on main power:
    a) Will be subject to continuous trickle charge to keep it in "topped" state. While this is not as damaging as "proper" charging, this will still have effect on the long run
    b) Will be subject to very warm temperatures, much warmer than ambient air. For 15-inch laptops, and even many 17-inch, it will in fact be heated quite significantly, especially when running CPU/GPU on load. This will have huge impact on battery life, as natural "ageing" of Li-Ion batteries is hugely affected by storage temperature.

    But contrary to some claims, it wont be actually "discharged" or subject to any actual load.
    Also remember, that even battery put in the fridge will lose max capacity over time. Just lot more slowly, because of two factors outlined above.
     
  12. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    yes, on clevos, there is no software to keep battery at peak performance. compal computers have/had it. when i sold my compal that was 3 years old 2 years ago it still had over 90% charge. if you're that concerned about battery it is best to use a UPS and take your battery out until you need it. keep it around halfway charged when out and charge it up before you need it. or you could go without a UPS and no battery but if you lose power then you lose what you're working on. battery isn't a big deal to me because my laptop is my desktop. and when i do need it on battery i only need it about an hour or so. i do wish somebody would make an app, specifically clevo to keep the battery maintained at 50% or so the battery stays well conditioned. but oh well. it should really only concern the people who need portability or when it comes to resale time.
     
  13. kookiesandmilf

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    so no one has remaining time displayed on their battery's during use? just clarify?
     
  14. hackness

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    Only % on mine.
     
  15. Silverfern

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    you can download 3rd party softwares for that
     
  16. MrDJ

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    you can find battery care or battery bar in my sig below which as far as i can remember shows time in % and hours/minutes remaining.
     
  17. kookiesandmilf

    kookiesandmilf Notebook Consultant

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    thank you good sir :)
     
  18. MrDJ

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    your welcome. hope it helps.
     
  19. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    I wish clevo had that same battery maintainer app my compal jfl92 had. You could choose to let battery stay charged at 50% which I did. 3years and when I sold it still had 93% capacity. I probably fully charged that battery about a dozen and fully discharged about a half dozen. I would leave my battery out but that battery is insurance and makes for a great UPS. Clevo really needs to come out with something similar or somebody needs to find an app that can do the same. Leaving your battery partially charged does wonders for it's longevity.

    Sent from my SM-N9005
     
  20. MrDJ

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    ive done nothing special for my 6.5 year old battery on my clevo m860tu and its only lost 6.57% wear level.
    always connected,always plugged into mains, never drain all the way or to 40%

    now that sure is a good life for a battery :D
     
  21. Ajfountains

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    Had my p170em for about 14 months now and HWinfo shows wear at 13%. Designed capacity was 76960 mWh, it's now at 66926 mWh.
     
  22. JMCD23

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    P170EM, 20 months and 44.3% - pretty damn bad. To be fair after 6 months it was over 25% so I think I got a lemon from the get go.
     
  23. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    How often do you use it on battery, that will make a difference.
     
  24. JMCD23

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    Probably most days for 30-60 minutes. I was rather shocked at how much wear it had when I first started tracking. It's slowly getting worse now but at an acceptable rate for how much I use it.
     
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    I'd say over a year and a half and your daily usage that sounds about right for any rechargeable battery.
     
  26. ropd

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    P157SM (Mythlogic Pollux 1613) that's about 10 months old. Plugged in all the time. Was averaging a couple hours a week on battery. Battery shows 0% wear at this point. That will probably change shortly now that the battery in my trusty HP only goes for about 15 minutes and dies. Using the Pollux every day now for emails and web surfing on battery on the back porch. Usually a couple hours a session.