Clevo bios instead of a sager bios?

which one is better?

 

LOL I reply to you in your other post, they are the same I believe. Clevo is Sager

I may be wrong, but Clevo is the original manufacture and it got rebranded by Sager. So basically it clevo bios with Sager name on it.

So Clevo>sager but they are the same.

 

sager bios is better bcz it enable intel xtu

 

Well, I can tell you this much: If you're currently running a Clevo BIOS, you need to keep it that way. Moving from Clevo -> Sager BIOS' will brick your laptop.

 

Sager bios: You can flash a Sager bios or a Clevo bios

Clevo bios: If you flash a Sager bios you'll brick your laptop

 

If I have a Sager BIOS, and I flash a Clevo BIOS, does this make it impossible to return to Sager BIOS?

 

Yes, it does.

 

Well. That stinks badly.

 

Agreed - I thought they would be interchangable. Oh well. Sticking with the Clevo then

 

They used to be, but the new models seem to be different.

 

The issue came in when they went with the new BIOS vendor AMI over Phoenix, and the EC's. Basically the EC firmware when they change it, it gets a new signature. So the Sager BIOS's only match up with the Sager EC files, while the Clevo BIOS's can match up with either the Sager EC OR the Clevo EC's, and for the sake of argument other BIOS's that are customized for Importers, as the Clevo BIOS and EC are the "mother" which all the others are derived. Thats why you can't go the other way, basically the BIOS first bootstraps the EC and looks for a match, when it doesn't find it.. El brick ensues.

 

What about my model? D900F? My next machine would be a P170HM most likely from Malibal (that 40% of international shipping is so good) so I would probably only be using Clevo BIOSes =D

 

That's a good question - since Malibal gets shells/parts from Sager - do their units have Sager bioses or Clevo bios?

@Mythlogic - I assume my Pollux 1611 has a Clevo bios - so using the new Clevo bios for the P150HM is safe?

 

Our laptops use the Clevo BIOS.

 

We use the clevo bios's, so this thread may be useful

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/416916-clevo-bios-thread.html

 

so whats his notebook?
my x7200 original have clevo bios, and i flash sager bios to play xtu, now i flash back to clevo one

 

You get the best with Malibal!

I really don't have a clue what a bios is sadly...do I even need to know?

 

BIOS is the Basic Input Output System. It's a chip on the motherboard that holds POST data for your installed parts, as well as the system time etc. It draws constant power, even when the machine is off, from the CMOS battery. Removing this battery will wipe the BIOS chip of all stored data. Wiped data or not, the BIOS has a set of instructions with limitations/allowances/data basically. People may flash their BIOS to introduce hard data for something like a new video card that was not released at the time of their laptop's making, but came out and was supported by it before the laptop was phased out (such as my D900F getting support for the 480M a year after the laptop was released, it needs a BIOS flash to support the card if I plop it in).

That's just about it I guess.

 

So, there's no way back to Clevo bios? I'm stuck with this Sager thing?

 

You can go from Sager BIOS to Clevo BIOS, but going from Clevo BIOS to Sager BIOS will brick your laptop, regardless of which BIOS you started with.

Although, from what DGDXGDG reported this may not be the case with the Clevo x7200, it sounds like you are able to switch BIOS freely, but I would wait for confirmation from someone that has an x7200 and has done this before trying it yourself.

 

Perfect catch 22. If Clevo -> Sager bricks your laptop, why would anyone try doing it? That's a solid $4000+ for people with SLI/CF and a good i7 to get bricked with a very large chance.

Also I'm curious as well for its predecessor, my D900F.

 

I bought this one from AvaDirect, so I'm assuming that I started with a Clevo bios. I upgraded it a couple months ago to a Sager unlocked bios (I THINK, not sure on that) from kizwan. I guess I got lucky on that upgrade, eh?

My initial post was reaction because I've been wondering if/when I could upgrade my vCards and if I was stuck at the Sager bios I upgraded to.

 

As far as I know Sager told that only P170HM/ P150HM can not have the BIOS switch.
Because of that I switched my X7200 from Clevo to the Sager unlocked Bios (where you can overclock the "non extreme" I7-s as well) and I am now back to Clevo Bios, newest version, without problems!

 

Nice, thanks for the insight. Breathing a sigh of relief

 

Ah alright. I really wonder if the D900F has that same allowance.

 

Is there anything that can be done via a BIOS editor to flash a sager p170hm BIOS to a clevo machine without bricking it?

Edit:

This is simply a myth that was spread by Sager.
While what Mythlogic said above is of course correct, it does not apply in the case of ECs for P170HMx/NP8170, they are infact identical.

The people who bricked their machines flashed non matching ECs...same can happen when just going Sager <> Sager or Clevo <> Clevo.

I have flashed Clevo <> Sager back and forth without a problem.
Just flash EC & BIOS without a reboot (delete reboot command from ECs update.bat) whenever you go from an EC version that doesn't match the new BIOS...Flash EC then flash BIOS then only reboot.
You can run an MD5 check >>> Sager and Clevo ECs of the same revision are identical for the P170HMx/NP8170.
I haven`t found any EC for this model where the Clevo version was not identical with Sagers...if in future you should face one that was altered, then just do the same "Flash all in one step" above and you are good to go.

I don't want to encourage people to do so! Just share my own experience.
Best is you get all BIOS from your resellers. You will keep their logos, tweaks and warranty support.