Clevo without mxm GPU Card would work?

Hi everyone,

I plan to buy a laptop for a very specific usage (calculation software) that requires 32Gb of ram. So i looked at clevo p150sm.
Could this laptop works without graphic card? Only on Intel's HD4600 ?

Thanks

 

No it cant

 

I believe it can. Everything is routed through the Intel igp. The mxm gpu just wouldn't show up as a device.

Beamed from my G2 Tricorder

 

It will not work.

The laptop WILL power up, however, the motherboard will detect no MXM card and shutdown.

 

I tried it on a P150EM, it would power up for about 30second to 1mil into windows and then shut down. fans spins at 100%

 

To bad that this option is unavailable in the bios, it could be also helpful to users that had their gpu burned.
Thanks for the replies.

 

I think I will see what Prema says if it can be fixed. That is a brain dead decision by Clevo IMHO. If it were muxed with a switch I could understand it, but it's ancillary to the operation of the machine.

 

I removed the entire vBIOS chip from an MXM board and was still able to use the P1xxEM system without the EC shutting it down.
Which leads me to believe that the temp sensor readings go directly to the EC without being interpreted by the vBIOS, in which case just connecting a temp sensor to the correct PINs would be enough.

 

Which is fiddly given the mxm connector. Someone could design a little pcb though to do the same job.

 

You make it sound like it's so easy!

 

For someone who does it all the time knocking up a pcb with a pad for a thermal sensor would be easy.

 

Well, if someone does that, he might start selling those "placeholder cards" for clevo machines.
Then clevo will have to think hard of a new way to stop us from using the integrated video (purely without mxm card).

 

Hey I can't say without a card, but it will certainly will work even if your dgpu is dead.

When my 7970m died, I used the laptop with the HD4000 for a couple of days before returning it for rma as long as you only installed the intel drivers it will even run league of legends as smooth as the HD4000 allows it to work @1080p.

That in a P170EM.

 

What's thats fun in that kind of situation is that it would have taken very few time to clevo to implement that feature. And now community has to find out rather more complex solutions.

 

Their EC simply makes an emergency shutdown once it receives no dGPU temperature readings.
They didn't actually try to prevent us from using it without MXM, they just didn't want our cards to get fried in case the temp sensor fails and missed the implementation of an additional board presence signal into the equation.

 

Yea, they missed to solder in a sensor which has the job to "see" if the system physically has a GPU connected to it or not.
If not -> take no action, allow system to boot normally using dGPU.
If yes -> no temp readings -> shut down system to prevent overheating.

 

Just buy a dead MXM 3.0 card and put in it then.

 

Just make sure it does not short the power and ground pins lol.

 

Same for me, my card would not game for more than a few seconds - but it was just fine if I gamed on the Intel card.

 

Maybe one of you two fine gentlemen could mail the OP your dead card and fulfill OP's wish

 

So all you'd need is a board with a temp sensor then? That should be straightforward.

 

A board which fits in the slot, has the two required pins to spec and a soldering point for a temperature sensor that can read back what the motherboard expects.

 

Could a weak cheap MXM GPU could be used in this case?

 

It would need to be a sager to report the temp correctly.

 

I'm in a similar situation to the OP, looking to run a P150SM-A with minimal investment into the dGPU that I don't plan on using.

I'd considered just cannibalizing an older laptop's card but after exchanging some emails with Clevo sales, I'm pretty sure that'll void my warranty. Something I'd rather not do being pretty new at this.

If anybody has a dead, unwanted card from a P150SM-A that they'd be willing to part with cheaply, I'd be ever so grateful to hear from you.

 

Check the members market for cards being sold on here.

 

Has anyone found a solution to this? I can buy a current generation Clevo with 870m for fairly cheap, and I was thinking of selling the 870m and use the HD4000 for a while until i can get a 970m (or better) cheap, but this thread destroyed my hopes.

 

No you would need to buy the 970m first so you may just be better off getting a 970m as standard.

 

You really dont see mobile video cards go for cheap either, they hold their value for years down the road.

 

Eh, if I buy the laptop new it's 1600€, the used one with 870m is <1200€, it's a big difference...

 

I have a solution by now to run P1xxSM without dGPU, PM me...

 

You directly feeding a false reading or permanently editing a register?

 

Telling the EC not to react when it receives no signal at all...

 

Can you do the same thing for the P377SM-A? Would have been very helpful all those times video cards were soft-bricked to blind flash.



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That model does not have the IGP wired up at all.

 

True but blind flashing would be a possibility if the EC checking was disabled rather than having to put the card in a machine that doesn't care (Alienware) and do it that way.

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I tried it on my (also non-optimus) P170HM3 once when it wouldn't boot with a specific K5000M vBIOS.
(Unlike Geforce, Quadro cards have a hard to solder vBIOS chip).
I have the sBIOS chip on as socket, so could take it out, put a mod with Intel GPU vBIOS, enabled iGPU & disabled dGPU on the chip, so was able to boot the system and blindflash the K5M that way.

 

Why do they have to make things so difficult lol

 

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Hi, I'm considering buying a Clevo W650SC and I also wanted to use the Intel graphics from the CPU, and avoid spending money on a GPU.

I stumbled upon this thread and I would like to ask a couple of questions:

1. Will Clevo sell a model without a GPU? The shop I visited said no, but is it a reseller restriction or an actual Clevo restriction?

2. Does anybody know if my W650SC will boot without a GPU? If it needs a mod, I don't think I would be able to do it myself...

Thanks in advance!

 

AFAIK the W650SC does not have mxm gpu (the gpu is soldered into the motherboard) so it cannot be bought without it.

 

Ok, thank you sharkam52, I wasn't paying attetion to that possibility of GPU's fixed to the motherboard, I see other Clevo models are also built that way...

So, let me turn my question around: can anybody recommend a Clevo model that would allow me to build a laptop that isn't very expensive, has a 15" screen, is powerful in terms of CPU (an entry level I7 will do) but does not force me spend money on a GPU I won't really use?

Thanks!

 

There are other machines without the GPU but you need to wait for the refresh.

 

Hello Meaker and thanks for the answer.

Sorry to sound like a newbie (which I am), but what exactly does that mean? I'm interpreting that "waiting for the refresh" is waiting for new versions of the Clevo products, am I right?

But I wonder if there are no products currently available that could give me what I want... I am also curious about Prema's solution earlier in this thread... I wonder if he can provide details, or even sell us his solution (I probably wouldn't be able to follow his instructions myself).

 

Sager NP2650/Clevo W650SZ perhaps.

 

Hello! Does anyone have solution for running P170Em or P150Em on integrated graphics only? My hd7970 is compleatly dead, and the EC not reading temperature from MXM card without vBIOS now...

 

would p775tm/p750tm/p870tm or older dm series works with integrated intel too or is it still not available in bios options?(without its nvidia graphic)
as we know they sell barebones ,so getting no gpu will it be a problem or not?
thnks

 

No.
Reason = missing hardware

 

thns for quick reply mighty prema
so no way around?? even with your bios? i hoped there could be a bios option to disable nvidia gpu and somehow force the system to only use intel.

and on another note: would quadro series,maxwell or pascal or older gtx(like 9th series) work with coffeelake laptops or not? using your work

 

iGPU is physically not connected, hence 'missing hardware'.
All Pascal Quadros, Maxwell and Kepler cards are MXM-B and there are no such MXM-B heatsinks for DM2/3, KMx or TMx systems.