Clevos with new 6-core Intel Mobile Cpus

Are there release dates for upgraded clevos? ces2018?

http://nb.zol.com.cn/667/6674166.html
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-11/intel-core-i9-coffee-lake-notebook/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1207...on-processor-lists-leaked-coffee-lake-refresh
https://www.aida64.com/downloads/NmI5ZDU0YTY=

i7-8750h


i9-8950hk

 

Maybe, maybe not ;-) Depends on when the NDA clears, which I can't tell you either!

Bear in mind that this information is leaked, it's not official from anyone and the real source is unknown. Also, go from all previous launches - it's a lot more than a month from an official paper launch to sample products being shown at an event and then officially launched.

 

Why wait for coffee lake mobile laptop when u can have now coffeelake desktop laptop 2ghz is eh

 

@ sicily428, thx for sharing this, i've just changed my mind about bying 1151v1 laptop now...

 

Obviously Clevo would not ignore a launch but you should know by now asking for launch dates is going a bit far

 

That i9 8950HK looks promising. If it's a 6 cores processor running at 3.0 GHz and 4.2 Ghz in turbo mode, it would be totally worth it.

 

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_r...d6e2dbead2e2d0f684b989afcaaf92a284f7caf2&l=jp

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/1969/core-i9-8950hk

 

Soldered 95W TDP CPU?

 

Intel Core i9-8950HK
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK-SoC.279270.0.html

 

Mobile i9 is a 65W TDP chip, which makes sense (On rough calculations 4x2.9ghz=45W for 7820HK; 6x2.9ghz=45W i9 means ~33% power efficiency gain from 14nm+ to 14nm++???)

Similar turbo to i7-8700K so we will see how much the power limit constrains it. Gaming might not be much difference from 8700K, but on overclocked all core workloads it'll be crushed.

The recent "8th gen" KL quad+Vega EMIB thing is up to 100W and it'll be soldered.

 

Although not officially announced, and without an ark.intel.com entry, everywhere is saying the i9-8950 is a 45w package... where did you get 65w?

Many AMD CPU's are 65w, and there is a 100w and 65w hybrid CPU Intel / AMD, but so far all of the Intel HQ/HK/HH CPU's released or about to be released are 45w.

There are Intel LGA CPU's 91w/95w and 65w...but those are desktop chipset CPU's.

 

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i9/i9-8950hk

Of course all rumours but it makes a lot more sense to me that it's 65W given the real world power use increase 8700k over 7700k for similar clocks (note 7820hk is same 2.9ghz base as 8950hk) and/or the lower 6 core base clock 3.7ghz on the 8700K for a very slight increase 95W TDP vs the 91W 4.2ghz 7700K

 

Here's one saying it's a 95w part
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/1969/core-i9-8950hk

45w:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK-SoC.279270.0.html
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-...h-generation-coffee-lake-processor-list-leaks
http://bgr.com/2017/11/28/macbook-pro-2018-specs-intel-core-i9-chips/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1207...on-processor-lists-leaked-coffee-lake-refresh

...and many more...

Without an official release, we can only guess, but I think the safe guess is 45w given the history of the BGA spot it's entering.

We should find out shortly...

 

Clevo can't even keep my i7-7820HK at stock speeds cool enough, why would I ever trust that brand again?

 

Should have gone for a 6700K in a Clevo, because they all overclock +700MHz at stock voltage and stay under 90C, because mine does. /sarcasm

Extrapolating an anecdote to a trend is logical fallacy of the worst kind.

 

85 Celsius and higher is not acceptable to me. Design your laptop better. I will be going with a different company for my next laptop.

 

From Wccftech.com (if you trust their site) "cTDP 45-65W". Expect to see a Throttling mess!! Wprime 1024M with 4.3GHz on all 6 cores in thin and flimsy... YEEES.

"All chips in the Coffee Lake-H lineup will include the Intel UHD 630 graphics chip which will be clocked at 1100 MHz. These chips will also have a configurable TDP of 45W while the Core i9 chip is expected to go up to 65W depending on the notebook *power and cooling solutions available*."

 

Yup, early on I said I expected 4 cores @ 45w to clock and perform higher per core than 6 cores @ 45w, so unless your laptop ramps up to 65w+ to match the increased core count and power draw, it's going to be a wash from 4 core to 6 core "performance".

Interestingly the HK CPU is already unlocked, including unlocked power settings, so why would it need to be application configurable from 45w to 65w...?? You'd want to have it unlocked not increased slightly to a higher locked TDP, right?

That's why I think that's bogus. It's just an unlocked CPU able to set the power draw as high as it wants, and as high as the motherboard power delivery can provide.

I suppose in the "stock" state a 65w TDP would make more sense, so why even mention 45w? Who would spec an HK part into a "under-performing" cooling design? Why not just use the normal locked CPU?

 

Probably Intel's requirement to use this chip in all types of laptops. None of the ODM/OEM*s is forced to improve the cooling for more than standard 45w TDP. Aka they can put it in all sorts of laptops. Just cripple the TDP with cTDP and Intel is happy if they can demand a higher prices Almost same as Ngreedia and Max-Q. We will see more and more crippled notebooks.

See also...
Inside The Dell XPS 15 2-in-1: Cooling Intel Kaby Lake G

"Dell focused on a 2-in-1 15-inch device, so it didn't design the XPS 15 to reach the full 65W TDP of the Kaby Lake G processors. Dell is currently in the 50-55W range, but it's still tuning the device. The company hasn't released the final rating. We'll also learn more about performance before the XPS 15 ships in March, but Dell hopes graphics performance lands between the GTX 1050 and the GTX 1060 Max-Q. That's pretty impressive for a device that Dell says is "gaming-friendly," but isn't targeted specifically at gamers."

 

Good luck. Intel says, that any value below 100°C is a good value, so notebook manufacturers designes their cooling systems performance to maintain ~90°C level.
If there's any notebook that can maintain better temperatures, it means, somewhere is notebook with same cooling system and more powerfull hardware.
For people who needs lower temperatures, Clevo have "overclock" fan profile and MSI have "advanced" setting in their software.

 

I have seen plenty of high end laptops that don't break 80 Celsius, @Phoenix even had some screenshots of his MSI laptop not breaking 78 Celsius and it was like at 4.3ghz.... MSI uses thicker heatpipes on their new models, as well as two fans for gpu and cpu, Clevo only uses one fan for CPU and heatpipe is tiny.

 

You mean the heatpipe in Clevo is tiny? They cover even more than the IHS. What's the point with even thicker pipes? And I'm sure you never have seen laptop cooling remove +205w cpu heat in laptops.

 

This is what my Clevo looks like, and I am sorry but one fan for a i7-7820HK is just a bad design imo. I have seen other companies do two fans for both gpu and cpu and it doesn't increase the size of the laptop that much at all, if any depending what we are talking about, also yours looks different than mine... I wonder if I got ripped off, lol oh well... such is the nature of China.

 

Yeah this looks like it has nothing to do with China, or Clevo, or the model design... so stop threadcrapping

 

It doesn't? Then why does his CPU heatsink look different than mine? I am not threadcapping, just saying as far as laptops go, I won't buy another one unless the heatsink is improved and two fans per gpu and two fans per CPU is in place. I have seen other companies do it and keep temps reasonable. So meh. I won't post in this thread anymore.

 

What notebooks offer 4 fans?
And more fans doesn’t necessarily mean better cooling.

 

First question: you mean MSI GT-series? Clevo's counterparts for GT series are P7xx/P870 notebooks, not P6xx. Counterpart for P6xx family is MSI GS-series which also hits 100°C under heavy load.
Second question: under what load and fan configuration? My 6700K can handle 4,6GHz without throttling under v-synced GTA V and with "overclock" fan profile, but looped Cinebench R15 is too heavy for cooling at this clock. For Cinebench, maximum clock I can set is 4,2GHz.

 

I see, I did not know know this about the model numbers, I just assumed when you throw 1.5-2 grand at a company they will provide proper cooling... >.> it honestly isn't a big deal. im fine with downclocking my CPU, no game ever uses it 100% anyway, at least the ones I play.

EVGA's notebooks seem to have good temps, there is a new company on the scene as well, Aurous or something I don't know, but Linustechtips had good things to say about it if I remember right. I will be doing micro-atx for my next build, will keep this laptop for a future wife or something.

 

Another "leak" that shows the TDP for the i9-8950HK as 45w:
Intel Coffee Lake H Core i9, Core i7 And Xeon Mobile Processor Specs Leak
by Brandon Hill — Friday, January 19, 2018
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-...mobility-coffee-lake-h-6-core-processors-leak

 

Intel of all, has been advocating for thin and flimsy along with the ODM / OEM*s the last years. Why would they throw out chips with nothing else than the standard 45W TDP?

They know very well most of today's notebooks come in a thin design and flimsy cooling. If they had changed the specs and increased it to 65w instead of the normal 45W, they would not sell many of these chips.
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Better let the ODM / OEM * s play with cTDP or other awful solutions based on which/what cooling they can offer. Intel ain't Stupid!!! They have only one goal... Sell a lot of them to maximum profit. Can't do that with a chips who don't fit most of the notebooks out there. The buyers of the laptops with this choice of cpu will in the end be massive screwed by the system builders aka the ODM.

 

Sorry, most of additional weight above 2,5kg in gaming laptops is included in cooling system, so only large and thick DTR's can give you good temps.
You can try undervolting - in my case, at 4GHz I can set -130mV and with this setting I can play large maps in Civ V in almost complete silence.
EVGA and Aorus are ridicoulsly loud. You can use FN+1 on your notebook for same cooling effect, because most notebook manufacturers choose silent instead of good temps, so fan will not reach high speeds as long as CPU is under throttling temperature.

 

Evga and Aorus, good temps? Hummm....perhaps acceptable at stock clocks for the laptop design.

Enviado de meu Pixel 2 usando Tapatalk

 

Aorus is a sub-brand of Gigabyte - in a smilar way that ASUS has its ROG brand. There have been Aorus, or "Aorus Powered By Gigabyte" laptops for a number of years and also more recently PC mainboards

 

They wouldn't sell many because people that are willing to buy garbage care about battery run time and having something lighter more than they care about performance. It is quite humorous that they try to claim both by purging themselves and being compulsive liars as it relates to performance. Sell, sell, sell... say whatever the kiddos think they want to hear... being truthful won't sell trash. The truth is 45W (or even 65W) is a joke and it needs to be about 2 times more TDP than that before it can even think about claiming to have awesome entry-level performance.

 

I'm still surprised a company has not offered a laptop without a battery purely meant for gaming. Lot of these laptops are too big to be considered portable, and the battery is a joke anyway. Lot of us just like having something portable to game on if we travel a lot, etc.

I'd love to have better cooling and no battery. Maybe I should start my own business... ask LG if they have any small OLED panels at 17.3" they can price reduce down to overtake the market... hehehehe let me dream you cynics... let me dream!

 

Seriously! New thread time! This continues to have nothing to do with CFL mobile CPUs

There's also an ongoing Clevo feedback/wishlist thread you can raise your grievances in: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ing-or-broken-in-your-skylake-laptops.797648/

 

These threads are jumping with activity, my apologies, I will not derail a niche topic, on a niche forum, on a even more niche rant. I know my excess of pixels on your screen has caused you to lose 43.7 seconds of lifespan. May the CFL mobile CPU's know many cores for the ages to come!

Also, a philosopher might debate my post was relevant, because the more cores we get and want to maintain the speeds we are used to more cooling will be needed... so maybe my idea was on topic after all? Hmm, who knows such things. May the cosmos guide me to the proper niche forums!

 

All you need to do is take your complaint to a less irrelevant place, like to the reseller that sold you the damn thing in the first place, assuming it ran hot before you overtorqued and busted the mounting mechanism

Talking as though ALL laptops made by a company that churns out thousands of laptops a month across dozens of different models, are ALL the same, is fanboyism. If you have enough brains and attention to detail to be able to spell, you can definitely use them to come up with some deeper level of insight and perspective on your problem than "all Clevos run hot herpa derp"

 

I am getting the 8950HK. Sorry guys, I just can't carry around a 5 kg monster everyday for work. Waiting to see it in the P71HS.

 

These 6-core processors will probably behave like 8550U. Currently 7700HQ uses most of 45W TDP headroom, so as long as laptop will not have option to rise TDP limit, performance will not going up significantly...

 

Linus techtips is horrible, they are geared torwards majority of consumers who are only after thin and light weight, looks/battery life. the reality is, they all produce heat and thinner it is, harder it is to cool. performance = thick, no way to go about it unless they keep improving cpu / gpu arch.

 

True, but the i7-8550U even after throttling to a more stable 2.2GHz, still offers quite a multi core performance boost over the i7-7500U. It will be interesting to see the results for the HK processor without the 45W TDP limit.

 

I'm sure the ODM/OEM's will controll the power limits much more strictly in the future with all available tools. They can't just change the laws of physics... Aka push out bigger and better cooling when all they do is designing thinner and thinner notebook chassis (You can't fill 10 liter water in a 5L plastic bag). And Intel will gladly help them with the proper knowledge on how to cripple the performance with firmware/software.

A fixed TDP of 45W, but with a sliding ability to increase power cap up to 65W TDP with Intel's configurable TDP (cTDP) if the cooling allows it, is nothing but an ingenious way to sell more chips at a much higher price than locked down 45w chips. The customers think higher model number aka Core i9 as in HEDT will be an improvement vs. before. But the result may be the opposite... An even more locked down - unlocked Mobile H chips than ever.

 

Well with my 6820HK at 4,3 GHz (works only when GPU is not active on stock/crap BIOS) can take 64W...
All limits in TS and BIOS are raised

So the 6 core with unlocked BIOS will probably take even more.

 

Except in multi threaded apps where the 8550U stomps over the old dual cores.

 

Can you post screenshot like this?

This is my old 4900MQ in Clevo P375SM during third Cinebench R15 run. Haswells takes typically 10W more than CPUs without integrated VRM on same clock speed, also production process is better, but still, I can't believe in 64W@4,3GHz.

 

how u get those intel boxes, some kind of gadget?

 

Please post results. Either with TS or Hwinfo64 in background. Thanks

This below is 6820HK's LGA brother in Clevo P870 with same 4.3GHz clocks. 67.8W

https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget-20

 

hey papusan can you share with me your TS settings and also bios settings? just curious for a few things like core VID/offset, cache VID/offset, static or adaptive and also your IA AC/DC loadline in bios and their value.