Core i7 940XM comes in Q3 2010...Just in time...

Just in time...for another upgrade This should be the fastest mobile chip for 2010 I think, granted not much faster than the 920xm.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17848/41/

 

Well as long as it's not more expensive than the 920XM than it's a nice little bump, not much but I'll take it.

 

I have asked this else were but not recieved a responce, will I be able to upgrade to this from my i7-720QM ? Im guessing yes

 

Yes. 10char

 

Cool ty Soviet. Although no idea what 10char is

 

10char means that you have to type in a minimum of 10 characters for your post
to be shown

 

You think it's going to be worth going to this proc from the 920? I guess if you sell the 920 and get close to the price it might be worth it.

 

The bigest advantage for the buyers with a smaler budget will be the price drop of the 920 due to the release of the 940 ^^

 

If we consider 50$ a price drop - yes!

 

That would be rather low for a cpu which usualy costs 450€ more as an upgrade (or even 1000€ when looking at dell/alienware/asus)

 

Not really, but I change systems regularly and so at the end of Summer / Fall I may take that one in a SLI or CossfireX notebook...I think you may too.

 

I've already wrote about the 940XM in the Calpella thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=390986&page=17

The 940XM will most likely replace the 920XM at the same price point, this has been Intel's policy in the past years. The 940XM is part of the larger Q3 2010 Calpella refresher and it is not the only "new" CPU that will be released then.

 

Yeah, Intel doesn't devalue their previous Extreme chips. They simply ramp down production as the date draws near for the new chip and at best knock off ~$50.00 from the "former king," for the "new king."

They keep the perceived value of the extreme chips intact.

 

Time for me to cash in on my $600 920XM.

 

Same chips, same production rates, this machine never stops.

 

Meh.

Get a an ES for half the price

 

Sleey0 sorry for the stupid quesion but what is ES ? and secondlycan anyone speculate the the price of this new behemoth ?

 

ES or QS is an engineering sample of the chip.

Can be found for much less than OEM.

 

Oh wow nice ! seems like a no brainer, wer would you get one of these ? and what are the drawbacks ?

 

No warranty support so if it has any problems you are SOL. CPUs tend to be the most reliable components in a computer so I don't worry about it.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to own an ES but I have yet to see someone with an ES get into any troubles. These chips are the property of Intel and are not to be sold or resold. This falls on deaf ears to me because Intel has so much money they can wipe there a$$ with gold toilet paper for 10 years and not make a dent in their earnings.

You can get them on ebay mostly.

 

How can you tell the difference between and ES and the Intel sold chip ? I woudnt want to get ripped off on ebay.

 

Well, the code written on the chip will be different (ie Q3B8 for the 920XM ES).

Also, CPU-z will report the CPU with an "ES" at the end.

 

If I remember didn't a member have throttling issues with a ES 920XM?

 

SRY double post

 

Thanks Sleey0, +1

 

Some people might have issues. That is the risk.

I have yet to have any though.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5893715&postcount=31
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5144004&postcount=29
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5145977&postcount=32

As for the Q3B8 920XM. It's not identical to the OEM 920XM. I've tested both my OEM chip and a friend's ES chip in my notebook and his just last week.

 

Any notable differences to cause potential concern?

 

I have yet to determine that as soon as I get the results from the other users that PM'ed me that have the ES 920XM in their Clevo's. Right now, part of me says that it's a quality issue, but it's crucial that I get their results to stand as the minority report.

 

What isn't identical about them?

 

From my experience with the Q9200 and the QX9300 OEM, the Q9200 at stock clocks was running hotter. I would also have random lock-ups for like half a second, although it worked and passed all possible tests, it still felt like something wasn't right with it. The QX9300 on the other hand makes everything seem to work just beautiful. I also had an P9700 QS and again it did not seem to run as well as the P8600 OEM or the QX9300 I have now... or maybe I am just being paranoid.

My opinion now is that it's ok the buy an ES as long as it's not going to be your final CPU, because Intel tends to refresh them once in a while, revise them and so on, you will probably replace it at some time and its resale value won't be that good compared to an ES. But once your laptop is reaching the end of its life and you know what is the max CPU you can put inside, then I would go with an OEM. Unless of course you constantly change laptops to always have the latests greats thing... in which case buying OEMs is a total waste of money.

 

I am in no position to release that info yet. Right now, the data is only shared with the upper KGB members and the subjects involved in the project. Wait until the end of this week once I get everything collected and comprise my conclusion for the difference between the ES and OEM 920XM.

 

Well, I am a spy with a top-secret clearance. Feel free to divulge everything

 

That really makes me laugh... but seriously , how much does a 920XM OEM cost now and does anyone have any idea how much it will costs in 3-5 months time?

 

Right now ES are ~$600 and OEM ~$1k.

I am sure in a few months it will still be the same. The only way an ES of that spec will drop is if the OEM chips drop.

It takes a LONG time for top-end extreme chips to drop in monetary value.

 

The OEM 920XM is about $930.00 for wholesellers in lots of hundreds. ES and others are around $600. If you find a genuine OEM one for less than $ 900.00 let me know.

 

I meant ES. Sorry.

Fixed my post.

 

Will the Laptops also have a Core i7 940 for it ?

 

My research is still incomplete, but I can tell you right now, it's starting to look a lot like how Blacky explained it; a quality control issue.

 

I plan to sell my $600 OEM 920XM for $900-1,000 before the 940XM is readily available for sale. If anyone wants dibs on my CPU let me know before Q3 when I put it up on eBay.

 

An OEM 920XM was recently sold for $800 on NBR.

 

Good, you got a good deal off of it. Now the next person that wants an OEM 920XM will have to go through me. And you know I take damn good care of my tech. That person will still get a good deal since my pricing is below $1,000, well away from the sticker price. Try finding an OEM 920XM on eBay at that price.

 

Is it me, or does it seem Intel has learned their lesson a bit with supply/demand this time around with not only the 920xm but the 820qm's? They rarely, if ever, pop up on eBay in OEM form at decent prices.

Of course you can't turn around without running into 720qm's all over the place, lol....

 

Yeah, it wouldn't be easy. I was about to buy it new from RJTech for just under $1200.

 

damn intel , their OEM prices always cost half a kidneys
dont let em get into smartphone market

 

Well, their Extreme CPUs are for the enthusiast market where price erformance ratios are scoffed at and optimal performance is paramount.

For the rest they have a slew of fantastic chips that achieve 90% of the performance for 50% of the price if not less.

But yeah, to ride the cutting edge you better prepare to function with one kidney.....

 

I have completed my research regarding the ES 920XM. In a nutshell, after testing my sample as well as having three other ES 920XM users test their samples under my set conditions and directions, I can say to you all tonight that the difference between the OEM 920XM and the Q3B8 920XM is as I originally hypothesized, a quality issue.

Though the test was only done with four samples of the ES 920XM, the multiple trials done on several stress tests and diagnostic applications points towards the ES 920XM as being a hotter CPU compared to it's OEM counterpart. The deviation in temperature ranged from 1-5*C average across all cores. However, three of the four samples, including my sample, began to cough up execution faults when surpassing 84-85*C, so this may hint towards manufacturing error as well as the CPU is failing to remain stable before TJMax. My OEM 920XM was stable up to said temperature and did not show any signs of fault intolerance in my notebook and in one of my subject's notebooks.

Further details regarding this project cannot be disclosed due to a group handling of ES CPU's, and my privacy concerns for myself, project subjects and other parties involved.

In my dissertation posted a few pages back, it appears that this specific processor, the mobile i7 920XM Q3B8 is not identical to the 920XM SLBLW. I do not know if the ES 820QM or ES 720QM also follow suit, so I cannot say that this affects the entire generation.

Blacky explained a clever "upgrade path" for the CPU; the last CPU in one's notebook should not be an ES regardless of whether it is identical in quality or not. Do not let this discourage you though. It is still ultimately up to your wallet to decide whether you want to pay for the genuine article or deal with the extra heat and possible computational errors at extreme (realistically unachievable) temperatures. From a moral standpoint, I stand against ES CPU's for various reasons, but that is for a whole different topic altogether.

Take this information as you please. Statistically, it does not bear much leverage because I only had four samples plus a single OEM to test against; a good test would involve atleast 30 samples. Other variables are also factored in with me not being in complete tangible control of the CPU's is one of them. But this is the best I could do given the contraints before me. My research regarding this issue ends here and I will go back to the other projects on my "to do" list.

 

Nevermind found what i was looking for ....

 

Great work Soviet Sunrise!
This helps some members(including me ) as to whether or not spending a couple of hundred $$$ is worth it in the long run.
Thanks for the info
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