Corsair Vengeance CMSX16GX3M2A1600C10 in NP9150?

Will the Corsair Vengeance Laptop Memory Kit 16 GB (2x8 GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL10 PC3 12800 (CMSX16GX3M2A1600C10)' work in a Sager NP9150? I just bought a set, so I'm hoping the answer is yes.

 

Yes they should

 

Aren't those XMP RAMs? NP9150(P150EM) itself doesn't support XMP, just not sure if it has 800MHz JEDEC table in it tho.

 

They will work, Newegg has the RAM incorrectly labeled. Corsair Vengeance has the JEDEC tables for their rated speeds. I am running 16GB of their 1866MHz RAM as we speak.

 

Glad to hear from someone who owns a set . Thanks for all your help everyone.

Anyone have instructions for how to install RAM into the NP9150 properly... I haven't gotten my laptop yet, so I just want to make sure I do it right and don't break anything.

 

Edit: Sorry duplicate post.

 

Most pre-installed ram will be under the keyboard so you'll need to remove the keyboard to install the 2 dimms

Pop the plastic strip off near the power button, be careful but its only snapped in. After you get that off remove 5 screws, be careful with lifting keyboard there are 2 ribbon cables underneath, you don't need to remove these to replace the ram, just be careful with it.

 

Exposed got it. It is better to do replace the ones in it than to mix and match remember! I ended up taking the two out from under the keyboard and installing the new ones under the back plate simply so they were easier to get to. Everyone else got the first question down!

 

What is XMP exactly guys? I have P150EM and just ordered these: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (Kit 2x4GB) 1866MHz DDR3, CL10 1.5V SODIMM, XMP

Will these work in my P150EM?

Thanks!

 

XMP stands for Extreme Memory Profile, is developed by Intel, is actually an extension to the JEDEC SPD. P150EM supports JEDEC but doesn't seem to hold anything related to XMP in the BIOS tho. JEDEC SPD 1866(933)MHz is confirmed to work on P150EM but haven't heard of 1866 XMP rams working on it in 933 XMP mode yet.

 

Are you saying I will not be able to run them by default at 1866MHz? Only 1600MHz or even lower?

Should I cancel the order and get KHX1866C11S3P1K2/8G instead? These say Plug and Play, which is default 1866MHz?

Sorry Its kinda complicated to understand

 

I'm not sure if the RAMs you purchased hold only the XMP profiles or both the JEDEC profiles and the XMP profiles, if the RAMs hold both, then it'll choose JEDEC 933 instead of XMP 933 and still work at the speed of 1866MHz. You might want to ask the seller and confirm this.

 

I had the same doubts about getting the KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G and contacted my reseller. What was told me is that the Kingston HyperX although it is PnP is not working well on the 150EM giving them a lot of BSOD when benchmarking and testing. They told me that the Corsair Vengeance is working fine and suggested the CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9 http://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Venge...=1343154452&sr=8-1&keywords=CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9. I know they are 12800 and not 15000 but it should be fine. Cheers

 

I'm using KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G x 2 (4GB x 4), no BSOD so far and runs at JEDEC 800 (1600)... cmd winsat mem test shows Memory Performance 20883.22MB/s. I doubt if what they told you is true here .

 

Oh well I am not there with them so I choose to believe in ppl. Anyway both modules are pretty much the same C9, JEDEC 1600, heat dissipators, and cost about the same (on amazon the corsair is even more expensive), both are gaming vers, and both are from good manufactures... So I will be fine with the Corsair.... I am glad you are using the HyperX it looks like an awsome mem.... I will let you know how mine is doing as soons as I receive it... Cheers

 

Hope it works at 1600 when you receive yours

 

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Thanks.. I was looking for that info. Youve been very helpful!!

 

So 32GB of either of these will work just fine right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233265


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233382

 

thats a yes

just be aware that ull need intel xtu in order to activate the xmp profiles on a EM laptop, otherwise the vengeance 1600 sticks will work at 1333 and the 1866 ones will work at 1600

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What does that mean exactly? Does the NP9150 have an intel xtu? will they work as they should or at the slow rate?

 

thats a definitive yes and no

on stock bios the 9150 can not support the Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility. u can install and run it, but ure not gonna be able to change the ram speed and timings to their advertized XMP profiles (Xtreme Memory Profile). in order to properly do that, ud need to crossflash a P170EM/9170 BIOS to enable XTU support.

my advise to you: rather go with the kingston PnP (Plug and Play) ram sticks at either 1600 or 1866 Mhz, they sport SPD speed and timings instead of XMP. those are supported without a problem in the 9150.

 

Something like this?

Kingston Model KVR16S11K2/16 Laptop Memory - Newegg.com


I've always used Vengeance in Desktops so wanted it in the laptop, Will Kingston be as good or should i look at something else like normal corsair or another brand?



CORSAIR ValueSelect Model CMSO16GX3M2A1600C11 Laptop Memory - Newegg.com = Corsair

Crucial Model CT2KIT102464BF160B Laptop Memory - Newegg.com = Crucial

Mushkin Enhanced Essentials Model 997038 Laptop Memory - Newegg.com = Mushkin

GeIL Model GS316GB1600C10DC Laptop Memory - Newegg.com = GEIL



Or do you think the Kingston would be the best, i didn't know about t he XTU and XMP specs.

I do want whatever will run best though.

Thanks for help

 

looks like all the linked ones are PnP. the last link would be the one with the tightest timings at CL10 as opposed to the others with CL11, so those would be the fastest. at 1866 Mhz theres just corsair vengeance and kingston to my knowledge. example for kingston would be KHX1866C11S3P1K2/8G, which is a 2x4 gig kit. no idea if they already have 8 gig modules yet tho.

 

Kingston HyperX Model KHX16S9P1K2/16 Laptop Memory - Newegg.com <-- these i guess?

So the Vengeance would only run at 1333Mhz but the ones above would run at their full potential of 1600Mhz?

I don't need 1866Mhz but would defo want 1600Mhz.

If this is the case I will not purchase the Vengeance

 

yep, the 1600 Mhz CL9 kingston PnP will definitely work at the advertized speed, no questions asked

XMP profiles have to be activated via BIOS or Intel XTU. since neither of those is supported at stock in the 9150, only the highest rated SPD speed will function. IIRC that would be 1333 with the 1600 sticks and 1600 with the 1866 sticks.

basically, the XMP vengeance sticks are just modules with an OC "warranty" for up to the advertized XMP speeds. thus u buy 1600 sticks with the warranty that theyll be stable if overclocked to 1866 speed.

 

I see, so the NP9150 doesn't have XTU support and the NP9170 does it was your saying?

I did not know this, will the NP9150 still be lighting fast on the Kingston? and still be great for gaming and graphical work? ir do you recommend the NP9170 then? 17.3 isn't very portable

Thanks for the info on the above memory. As Newegg or Amazon doesn't mention its XMP profile memory , but after taking a closet look at Corsairs site i see this now.

 

You could check this article for how RAM speed affects performance AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News
TLDR... the difference is minimal for modern ram.

 

yup, ill have to agree on that. the performance gains from high-clocked ram are minimal at best, especially when it concerns gaming. the only case when high-perf. ram is really worth the money is when ure on a machine running iGPU only. since it doesnt have any dedicated vRAM of its own, it heavily depends on the system RAM. that goes even more so for AMD APUs.

@contaous: yep thats correct, the 9170 does support Intel XTU, while the 9150 doesnt. altho as mentioned earlier, its still possible to crossflash a 9170 bios onto the 9150 thus unlocking XTU functionality. thats what i did with my machine actually, so i could overclock my xm cpu

 

So I didn't know there was this much difference between the NP9150 and the NP9170. I hear the NP9150 can suffer from throttling also?

So are you saying that the NP9170 is much better then the NP9150 due to higher PSU, XTU? is there any over differences i should be aware of before i make my choice, as i had a 17.3 inch before and coped with ts size, was hoping for more portability but don;t want to lose out on performance in the mean while. Spending this much i want to make sure its as good as i can get r it for gaming/graphical work.

Thanks for all the info jaybee


P.S

Also if i'm looking at a 17.3 inch, should i look at the NP9170 or the NP370, how much difference is there? as only $120 with the spec i chose on them...

Thanks

 

nah, im not aware of any special throttling issues pertaining to the 9150. the differences arent that big, dont get me wrong! sure the 9170 has a 220w psu as opposed to the 9150s 180w, but the latter only becomes a bottleneck when u go into extreme overclocking regions with BOTH gpu and cpu. and the latter u can only overclock using intel xtu. the xm cpus have an unlocked multi whereas the regular ones are "semi-unlocked" and can be oced by max. 400mhz (all models equal to and above a 3720qm). if u ask my personal opinion, id choose the 15" model over the 17" anytime, exactly cuz the latter is a hassle to carry around
also, u cant really compare the 9170 and the p370em, since the latter is a dual-gpu system and is thus even more bulky.add to that a 300w psu brick

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The fastest chips for custom speeds are the samsung 1.35V chips running at 1.5V, i've got mine around 980mhz at 9-9-9-25 timings.

 

Yeah i only priced it up with a single 680M card but i understand that.

So you don't think i will have any issues with the NP9150 for gaming, adobe creative suite, possibly some CAD and so on?

That's great news, but you do recommend the Kingston RAM instead. That's good to know

I will show you my current NP9150 spec i'm looking at: It currently comes to $2,365.01

Thanks for all the help --- Any thing you would change?

 

Do you have a link for them by any chance? are they better then the Kingston i linked before then?

 

You have to use them in a system with some way to use XMP profiles or manually configure timings is the only thing, it may need the P170EM bios flashed to edit those with the intel XTU program.

Otherwise any known brand will be fine, go for the cheapest with reasonable timings.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140906445348?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 

So am i not better using the Kingston Hyper ones that jaybee told me to use as this will work PnP with the system as its sold.

 

yupyup, in the end its ur choice the recommendations ive made so far were just under the assumption that ud like to work everything right out of the box without any tinkering, flashing, modding, etc. involved.

as to your config:

why would u order it with 16GB preinstalled if ure gonna swap them out anyways? the swap doesnt make much sense, since ure not gonna see any noticeable difference in speed, aside from slight bumps in benchmarks.

the cpu is fine, it wont bottleneck the 680M, even at extreme clocks the influence would be slight. in case u ever change ur mind about crossflashing and using intel XTU tho, ure not gonna be able to OC the 36xxqm series like the other models by 400mhz since its completely locked up multiplier-wise.

concerning the warranty: definitely spend some extra cash to bump that up to at least two years. trust me, when investing such an amount of money into a machine, u want it secured and insured in case anything goes south hardware-wise. its just a small extra investment and completely worth it if u ask me
unless of course ure planning to get a new machine every year anyways, then its surely superfluous

 

Nice advice

16GB is minimum and included in the price with the special edition offer. I guess i could always just add to whats there, i just didnt know what RAM they would use or if it was good.

So would the next step up CPU be better then? or got to go much higher before the unlock stuff comes into play?

As for the warranty yeah i was looking at the 2 year and must just do that.


Thanks jaybee

 

ah ok, so u were planning to just add another 16 gigs. sure, thats always an option

well as i said before, if u decide in the future to tinker around a bit and crossflash ur machine, with a 3720qm and higher ud be able to bump ur cpu clocks by 400 Mhz. as for the xm cpus, those are overclockable till they go up in smoke pretty much but they have a hefty price tag as well. but theres always the option to stick with the 3630qm and swap it out for a faster model down the line. although prices for laptop hardware stays the same when it comes to new ware at shops, prices definitely go down on ebay and the nbr marketplace. so maybe ull be able to get a nice deal then (thats what i did for example: got my machine with a 2720qm, then upgraded to an 2860qm and now got myself the 2960xm and crossflashed my baby to OC the crap out of it )

 

So if i'm not going to overclock it majorly or anything right now, how big is the gap between the 3630 and the 3740 as the jump is only $170 which aint too bad, but is it worth it?

 

without overclocking the gap is exactly 300 Mhz which in this case would translate into like.... 8.8% more performance if u take the max. turbo boost as the baseline (3.4 vs. 3.7 Ghz) theoretically you could add another 400 Mhz boosting that 3740QM to 4.1 Ghz Turbo Boost, translating into 20.6% more performance. but again, thats only if u decide to go through with a crossflash

 

How involved is the cross flash process and is it stable?

I'll think about the $170 upgrade if the funds are available.

Thanks

 

by involved you mean how difficult? not really that much per se, but be aware that ure basically changing the core software of ur laptop, so if anything goes wrong u could end up with a brick on the other hand, its not much different than updating ur bios to a new version as for stability, ive been running a cross-flashed system for about a month now. cant say ive run into any issues so far, although i had to reactivate my windows (since it now thinks ure on a different machines, namely a 9170 ) and also upgrade my psu to a 240w model, since the stock 180w saw the end of the line when OCing the cpu by 1 Ghz and my GPU by about 25% at the same time aside from that, its been running pretty smoothly. also cant say ive heard any terrible stories about crossflashed systems here.

but hey, no warranties! if u decide to do such things u should be aware of the risks and u should know what ure doing every step of the way please be aware of that

 

Sure i'm not thinking of doing it right now, but thinking of maybe getting the 3740QM so i could do it after the warranty has run out

Thanks for the advice, ill have a think about what CPU to get.

 

thanks for this thread and it's support!

I have a 9170 w/ XTU reporting my corsair 1600 is only running at 1333. XTU is OCing my cpu just fine, how do i get the memory up to 1600, and why isn't this the case to begin with? and why is a OC proggy ness to get my corsair up to advertised speeds?

 

because its corsair vengeance ram there are two different types of sticks out there:

- plug and play sticks, such as the kingston hyperx modules. as the name says, theyre just plug and play and run at the advertized speed

- XMP (xtreme memory profile) sticks, such as the above mentioned corsair vengeance series. they advertize their sticks with the guaranteed OC speed they can reach stably, which is usually one tier higher than their JEDEC plug and play speed. so in order to reach those speeds ull have to manually overclock them using intel xtu otherwise vengeance 1600 sticks will run at 1333, 1866 sticks at 1600, and so on

 

It's nice to have these settings in the bios so you don't have to worry about what the ram will default to.