D901C / NP9262 Idle Temperatures

I brought this up a while ago, however, the temperatures I have seemed to be degrading (increasing). I took two screens of CPUID's Hardware Monitor showing my temperatures.
My computer is not even downloading anything. I have nothing but a couple sidebar things going (currency, clock, and weather). I was playing World of Warcraft about 1 hour ago before taking the initial measurements. Since then, only internet browsing has occurred. The right and leftmost fans feel colder than the two center ones.

The first attachment is idle, no forced fans.
The second is idle, forced fans (Fn+1), about 10 mins after turning them on.
The third is idle, forced fans, about 15 mins after turning them on.

 

temps seem fine in all of those pics.

 

I take it you've been running one driver after another again? Temps seem fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if you disabled powermizer..... download gpu-z and report back what it says under sensors.

 

yeah I get pretty much the same temps. I have a fan next to mine lappy thats blowing at me and the the back of the sager and that reduces my idle temps for both GPU's to 59C. I ve also ordered a notebookcooler from XoticPC so I m waiting for that and I think that will reduce my temps even more.

 

Powermizer, what's that? I just reformatted the other day. I already have GPU-z. If these temperatures do not look abnormal, then I feel better. I thought they seemed high (the CPU) for idling temperatures. I was just looking at an M860TU thread and they were talking about temperatures in the 30's and low 40's at idle and low usage.

Here are my temperatures with GPU-Z; 58*C and 56*C for cards 1 and 2, respectively.

 

As I suspected, you system is running at max clocks instead of lower clocks while not gaming, if powermizer was working, your clocks would say 200/100. The temps you mentioned for the m860tu are similar to mine, my hdd is at 29c and my gpu is at 38c. Right click on your desktop and go into nvidia control panel and on the left hand side there should be a option for mobile expand it and then select powermizer and enable it. If that option isn't there, you are probably using the stock drivers and need to update them to get the powermizer option.

Here is a pick of gpu-z with powermizer working, when I start gaming they go up to 550/850 since I have my graphics card overclocked for gaming. Also, my system is on idle without max fans, its probably 65F here right now.

 

If Gophn says your temps are fine, then you are fine. However, here are mine after surfing the internet. The high temps are right before the fans auto turned on. I tried to get a screenshot as fast as I could after they turned on, but it took me a little bit to open up your attachment so you could compare easier.

 

the CPU and HDD temps may look a bit warm... but just make sure to not block any of the vents (bottom and back) and it should be fine.

 

My computer is on a fairly large wooden desk. The only other thing on it are two small speakers, a cordless phone, the powerbar, and my wireless mouse. There is about 1.5 feet of unopened area behind it, and underneath is cleared. I am worried about the HDD speed. I looked at the windows performance indicator and I get a 5.4 for HDD. This seems weird as people with the identical 200GB 7.2k RPM Toshiba got 5.9's in that category. I will post a HDD benchmark for my two hard drives in a couple minutes.

 

LOL. I cant believe you would take the WEI seriously... dont.


If you want to know your speed with accurate comparisons, use HDtune.

 

I only take the WEI seriously for comparison reasons. When comparing two identical HDD's in two identical machines, they should perform similar.

I remembered HDTune and did 2 benchmarks. The OS was as idle as I could make it, minus a couple website and MSN.

1) 200GB 7.2k (58-64) -> OS
2) 320GB 5.4k (58-62)

Also, during the benchmark process, the temperature went between 58-64*C.

From those screens, the 320GB, 5.4k HDD looks to be equal in almost every way (give or take). Both have awful high temperatures.

Also, Gophn, I do not have any mobile settings in my nVidia panel as can be seen by screenshot 3. I have drivers 177.92 installed (from laptopvideo2go.com).

 

Just for comparison, here is my CPUID at idle. Keep in mind, this thing is sitting on top of a Zalman 2000 notebook cooler so it definitely seems to be working.

 

sliqsystems, please post a picture while your system is idle with gpu-z and click the sensors tab.

 

Will do, first here is a snap of my temps after playing COD4 for about 10mins. I can feel warmth thru the left palm (left of touchpad) at this point. Not too hot, but its warm...

I will let it get back to room temp and then do a GPU-Z snap for you.

 

its not temps that I care about, I'll explain more when you post that sensor picture.

 

wow, 69 C
My 8800M GTX SLI hits 80C when playing COD4 at 1920x1200 max settings...

 

I'll have to get some more gpu stressing games, lost planet only gets up to 65C and for some reason bf2142 only gets up to 50c.

 

Ok, now that rig has cooled down. I have a few browsers open and stuff but nothing taxing. Here are a few cpu-z gpu-z cpuid screen shots...

 

Why on earth are my temperatures SO much higher!? I don't know, but those HDD temperatures are low. Mine are so high. Your CPU and GPU temperatures are much lower as well. I have 2 video cards. But you a similar processor and 2 HDD's as well. Even on max fans, I cannot get my HDD's to budge.

 

mhm mhm, now one last test for you, remove that cooling pad and report back if your temps fluctuate at all. You might be surprised.

Baconcow, as I tried to explain earlier, notice sligsystems and my gpu-z picks, your system is running with full clocks at 500/800 while our systems are running at 200/100. To show you what I mean, I'll post back in a sec and show you what my system temps look like when my card is running at 550/850 while idle.

 

Ok, cooling pad off, going back into COD4 for a bit - post back soon

 

idle temps also, rolf your idle temps are all I really wanted. Also for baconcow can you tell me what graphics driver version you are using?

Edit: Baconcow here is what my system looks like with my card running at full clocks while idle look familiar?

 

Ok, another brief COD4 session with no cooler pad. Got my but kicked in this level, but its all for science eh?

 

Rofl more like helping bwhxeon decide to buy a cooler or not, so far I'm not, 3c drop in temps isn't worth it to me.

 

OK, rig back to room temp again (I think). No cooler running. The room temp here in cali is about 80F right now.

 

I am using 177.92 drivers. It is my HDD temperatures that have me most concerned. Also, with the fact that, yes, my WEI comes out much lower than others. I am installing the 177.79 drivers now just for a test. I had the same temperatures with the stock 176.02 drivers. I do not have that powermizer setting in my nVidia panel. I used the drivers and modified INF from laptopvideo2go.com. I am confused why I don't have it. I am hoping these older drivers will have it. I don't recall ever seeing that before. I'll post my results.

 

>.> looks like I'm not buying a cooler, thank you for the testing.

I'm currently using the 177.92 drivers and I have powermizer. Can you post a picture of your nvidia control panel? I'm wondering if sli systems don't have a powermizer option, if it really isn't in the control panel, If your up to it I can show you how to edit your registry to force it on. It will have to wait till tomorrow though, need some sleep.

 

The cooler for me, seems to knock up to 5c off CPU and GPU. My hdds dont really seem to get hot at all and dont seem to be affected by the cooler.

Another thing to think about if you want a cooler, at least the zalman. It has a wedge design, and I prefer the kbd flat. with cooler the back of lappy is 1" higher than the front.

 

Can someone fill me in on the Sensors tab of gpu-z. The clock speeds for mine are sometimes at 200mhz and sometimes at 500mhz. And bwhzeon has 550mhz. If this is the clock speed, why would I have different values?

 

Last post for the night, mine says 550mhz because my card is overclocked while in 3d mode. While not gaming the graphics card downclocks to 200mhz to help save power and run cooler. When gaming, if you where to alt+tab out of the game and check the sensor it should say 500mhz for your graphics card. Again mine only says 550mhz because my card is overclocked.

 

dont worry BF2 and 2142 is not GPU intensive, but it does use your CPU 100%.

When I play 2142 it runs 64c and while Age of COnan or COD4 is running it at 74c but no more.

 

For those following this topic. Here is a screen of my temperatures at full CPU load. I used MaxPI to utilize all CPU cores at 100%. I ran it for about 15 minutes to get these temperatures. I allowed the fans to come on by themselves (I did not force the max with Fn+1, and they didn't all turn on max either).

I should look into getting a Zalman 2000 cooler.

 

Why you would let it do that is beyond me, as you already noticed they do not come on on there own. Maxpi is not gaming unless you are going to be doing mass encoding I don't see what your trying to do besides burn up your laptop. You need to use max fans if you are gaming or running a cpu benchmark program there is no if, and's or but's about it. Adding a cooler will help, but you won't get more than 3-5c drop in temps.

 

I would have to strongly agree, When i called sager tech regarding the high temps of the HDD. They told me to make sure to run max fans (Fn+1) at all times when gaming or when using it as a server per say. Sager should really add a sticker on the LCD or Lid stating about the max fans settings...

 

You guys should look into Undervolting, my CPUs never saw higher temps than 60C ...

 

wow.. that looks pretty heated up, but not yet critical level.. you should just make use of the Fn+1 function and blast your fans at max.. would be good if you got a NC-2000... does help to bring down yr temps abit.. with fans at max and a NC-2000, maybe yr temps should drop 8-10c? cooler is definately a good investment

 

I did an error test on the 200GB HDD and these were the idle after test temperatures. The HDD and CPU are running this hot, full fans or not. I like in Yellowknife, too, and it's NOT hot indoors here. I did not run the fans on max as this is only error checking. There is no way a normal hard runs at 70 degrees Celcius. I already contacted Eurocom and they are going to look at it. Notice the mins and maxes.

Regarding using max fans, they only drop the temperature of the HDD by about 3C. They work for the CPU. Also, I cannot get SpeedFan to detect my fans. I want to be able to have it automatically run max fans for the CPU when necessary.

 

Might want to fix that, because I don't see any HDD temps that show 70c. As for your temps, its not a problem with the system, having two hdd right on top of eachother with no airflow results in the temps you are posting. My system did the same thing, so I pulled one of the HDD and put it under the battery and now it runs at 25-30c while my other one used to run at 55c.

 

You're right, it wasn't 70... it was a maximum of 71 degrees Celcius. Look at the maximum as I pointed out. These were monitored ONLY during the test and stayed at 69-70 almost the ENTIRE time.

Right under the battery? Is that on the right-hand palm rest? That area is always fairly cold, whereas the left-hand palm rest is fairly warm.

 

At those temps , I`d be really worried.
The hdds are not meant to work at that temp for a prolongued period of time.
My notebook has not been turned off for 6 days, I`ve played UT3 , NFS(carbon and PS) and some Bioshock,and HWMonitor recorded a max temp of 71C for the GPUs, and a max of 41 for the main hdd, 39 for the secondary one.
So there must be something wrong with your hdds...
Cause the hotter they get, every adjacent component gets hotter also...

 

pull one out and stick it under the battery.

 

alternatively, you can remove the HDD cover and with the nc-2000 below, it provides direct airflow to the HDD area, cooling it off quite abit.. not sure if it works for 2 HDDs stacking on top of each other, but it sure works for one HDD.. BUT it'll get darn dusty in there.. so if u need to cool it off critical temp while 'testing' or 'benchmarking', you could do that.. because when i opened my laptop, i see that the fans have almost no effect in removing HDD heat.. sucks in air via bottom, blows out through the back, never reaches the front where the HDD is.. so i think Fn+1 for max fans wouldn't bring down yr HDD temps in this case, only VERY minimal due to cooler coponents running alongside it.

attatched thumbnail shows the 9262 opened, the 3 large red arrows show the airflow from the fans out thru the back, the HDD 1&2 compartment is opened, and the the Batt and HDD3's compartment is on the picture's left of the HDD 1&2.. see how the fans hardly affects the HDDs?

(don't mind the scrawlings.. i have no tablet )

 

I removed th HDD cover to get it cooled with Zalamn.If you don;t have a SLi card and is good with electronic stuff,you could add a fan for the HDD,or drill some holes in the HDD bay for coller DD.

After removing cover there is a drop of 8 degrees with Zalman.

 

ahh fianlly, a testimony! but don't forget it'll get dusty faster than normal, so remember to clean it

 

I will probably end up doing this after they check it over. However, I don't want to do it as a "fix" because these temperatures do not appear normal. This computer was designed for two HDD's to sit next to each other (eventually I will be getting a third) without hitting such critical temperatures.

I am also a little afraid of moving things around myself. I played 4.5 hours of WoW last night and monitored the temperatures (with MAX fans on). The HDD's never went above 54 or 58. The Seagate manual I found for this HDD says that 55 is a normal temperature. However, once I got out, I started moving an iso from one HDD to the other and bam, the temperature shot up above 60.

I have attached the temperatures of my computer with MAX fans on during my 4.5 hour session of WoW.

 

It's really not that hard to move things around, I'll probably post a cleaning guide in the next few days like I did for the 5793.

 

New temperatures since moving the Storage OS above the battery bay. The OS HDD is running idle at 50 which is still higher. However, Eurocom stated that the HDD's should never run 71*C during use, even when together. They believe the sensors may be reporting incorrectly. However, I am using CPUID Hardware Manager (and even the SeaTools from Seagate) which all show similar temperatures. I want to eventually add a 3rd HDD to this system, and I do not want to have to deal with 70+ temperatures.

 

I to have this issue. I get a 5.4 WEI rating with my 200gb 7200 HD as well. I thought I was the only one having this issue, but when comparing with other's, 5.4 is a bit low. Any ideas of what can be affecting this as well? What goes into consideration when rating a HD (might be a noob question)?


PS. As of temps baconcow... I've only had my np9262 for a day, but my temps max @ idle are your minimums I'm still venturing into this (this forum rocks btw!) so I'm sorry that I can't assist you there. But it was nice to hear that I wasn't alone with my HD issue

 

Eurocom is going to replace the 200GB 7,200 RPM HDD with a second 320GB 5,400 RPM HDD (about the same price). I will end up setitng them up in RAID 0. The funny thing is that I benchmarked both drives and got similar readings anyways. The 200GB 7.2k had 4ms quicker access time and about 5MB/s faster read and write, but that's it. With RAID 0, I will get an extra 120GB to use, probably a higher READ/WRITE rate, and lower temperature drives (my 320 5.4k runs between 28-42 usually depending on the load, much lower than the 45-55 that the 7.2k idles at :S).

 

Blah... well I'll do the HDTUNE, see what I come up with... and maybe bring it up to Sager? We'll see if I get a free replacement hehe >.<


*didn't know the 320 5400 performed as well as the 200 7200 2-3 days before I got my machine *sigh**

on a side note, I read somewhere here that for gaming... faster hard drive is better?