Dell 1730 or Sager 9262?

i would say. yes. your right.

absolutely.

another reason I like dell is PART AVAILABILITY.

I can get every single part for very cheap 10x over for my m1710.

my last laptop. a SAGER.... the plastics cracked and I needed a new bezel and some other parts.

I couldn't find a single spare part in all of CANADA. I did find 1 seller in ALL of the USA, and believe you me. I looked HARD for a LONG TIME!.

then they said "We Don't Ship to CANADA!."

so I said screw it.

I have enough spare parts to build another m1710. I like part availability.

I am most likely getting a d901c, so when this happens and I need a Part. I bet I will have the same crap happen to me. no ifs ands or buts about it.

because even on ebay. you almost NEVER see parts, ever.

and video cards??? 1 in 1000 times looking on ebay, and I look alot. you never ever see CLEVO video cards.

and out of all the Clevo re-sellers I called *cuz I am getting a Barebones* 1 of them offered to sell me Videocards.... and I called all of them!.

so. Part availability is very crappy with SAGER/CLEVO.

I told people in other threads with DELL. as soon as the sli 8800's come out you will be able to get them off of ebay..


and whattaya know... you can.

so that's my case.

spare part availabilty. **TO ME** is better than any service they can supply. because I would love to be able to fix up my notebook over and over as many times as I wish over the years.... to make it look as new as the day I got it.

and that's a BIG thing.

since I built one of my m1710s. from scratch... now I could never ever ever do that with clevo. and if I could that would be a godsend. because that would mean you can get parts.. but you simply cannot..

 

Not entirely correct.

The new game engines are multi-threaded... one of the most well known is the Unreal Engine 3.
- Unreal Tournament 3
- Gears of War
- Bioshock
- Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (almost out)
- etc.....

The multi-threaded engines fully utilize all cores (for rendering and physics)... up to 64 threads if you got them.

 

There is nothing wrong with Dell laptops. I have an Inspiron 8500 that I've been using for 5 years every single day and it's held up admirably. Just because something has a good warranty doesn't mean it's going to break lol.

And as far as overpriced, their gaming systems tend to be. The standard systems I find are usually cheaper than anywhere else. Also Dell has promotions constantly that make their systems cheaper than average. I also get a pretty hefty discount through my business acount.

Like I said I use Dell for all my clients. Because if something goes wrong on a server they have a part and a technician if I request it there in 4 hours. If it's a desktop or laptop it's 24 hours. If a system has repeated problems they replace it witht he latest technology. In a business enviroment it's hard to beat.

I'm no Dell fan boy, like I said I'll probably be buying Clevo. But you don't need to hate on Dell to validate your purchase of another brand. It's alright for another company to make a good product really it is.

 

^^right, but you only need soo much. and then it's moot.

the cup only fits 750ml and once it's full be it a t7400 or a quad core.. it's pretty much equal -- game wize.

 

I speak for myself. I am no fanboi of ANY brand and I don't hate Dell either. Infact I haven't even used my first laptop yet, so have no clue.
But this thread is all about competition, you see... "Dell 1730 or Sager 9262?"
So the Dell 1730 may be a "good" product as you say, but it ain't the best comrade!

 

I never said it was the best. I just was trying to keep people here from giving the wrong impression to new buyers about Dell as a company.

Posts that unilateraly call Dell a bad company and "D'hell" etc might bias someone and I beleive most of those posts are people just trying to make themselves feel better about their own purchase.

I see it all the time, especially over at the AVS forums. Someone buys high end A/V equipment and all the sudden they feel the need to tell everyone that theirs was the only correct choice and they are fools for buying anything else.

At any rate, waiting on some money from a big project to come in and hopefully soon I'll be the proud owned of a clevo. Like I said Dell doesn't really offer anything at this time in the same class as the M570 and I don't need SLI or multiple hard drives etc.

 

I never said that you said that
Read my post..

And no I'm not trying to make Dell look bad, only just the 1730, compared to 9262 (taking prices into consideration as well) After all, this IS the "Sager and Clevo" forum. Welcome aboard!

 

The fact is, Dell is more mainstream and they base their higher priced gaming systems on the fact that they`re in top 3 selling notebook companies. Which makes sense to a point.
Still best bang for the buck is the sager.That`s just how it is.

 

Tests have been done with those games (eg. look at anandtech.com) and they do not utilise multi-cores. The only game that does is Quake 4, believe it or not. Crysis was supposed to do it as well, but testing has found very small differences.

 

utilize, as in 100% of each core... then yes they do.

But the performance might not be noticeable since the UE3 engine uses one of the cores for physics calculations... which is why the FPS does not increase.

 

Well, I have a 5792, and I am happy with it, since I wanted a relatively portable notebook with a 8800. But if I was buying a SLI 8800 notebook, I would buy a 1730 for several reasons:
- it uses a true mobile CPU instead of a desktop one, meaning less power and heat. Yes, 9262 has faster CPU and memory then 1730, but games are usually GPU limited anyway.
- Dells are easier to resell or get spare parts for
- Dell, being a far bigger company, can put more pressure on nVidia in case or driver problems. Case in point, Dell already has SLI for 8800 while Sager/Clevo do not. They were also able to provide an 8800 upgrade without a motherboard replacement and less cost than Sager.
- Worldwide warranty and XPS replacement policy
- The list price of XPS might be more than SDager, howerver one can usually find coupons or deals to make the price lower.

I am not bashing Sager or saying that 9260 is bad, but for me 1730 is better. This is just my opinion though, others may look at it differently.

 

Amen!

that's the truth

 

Have a look at:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q6600_8.html

Altough they did not test UT3, so you may be right about that.

 

I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread so far. There's a wealth of useful information here and it's really a great resource for someone like me trying to figure this all out.

 

Small correction here Darkoroje
Sager does have true mobile cpu on 5793 x9000 which should be better
then Dell has x7800 on its 1730

I dont know why people say there is Dell hate here. I have alot of respect
for Dell products and own few myself but when it comes to top end in laptop
Dell just ends up short. I would simply not own Sager if they didnt provide with top end laptops. For very long time Dell would not even come close to Sager performance.

So the true question here is. Do you want to own top end laptop now or want to get Dell, wait a year, dump it in bathtab and ask for replacment with
newer parts?

 

That`s just *dellshiet* man . In a profitable bussiness you can`t do that and always get better replacements or Dell would go out`of bussiness.

But the truth is as you pointed it out RuSak , the top of the line RIGHT NOW is the D901C upon which the 9262 is built...

 

I don't think 5792 and 1730 are comparable for gaming, since 1730 offers SLI 8800 which will have far greater effect on a game than x9000 processor. Given the high screen resolution that this laptops have (1900 x 1200) and the fact that even a 8800M is slow compared to desktop GPU cards, almost all games are GPU limited at the native resolution and a faster processor has little effect. 3D mark presents a somewhat distorted picture since, in my experience, it gives too much weight to CPU score compared to GPU when calculating the final score.

I guess it depends on what you are planning to do with the laptop. For general use (browsing/email) and gaming, there will be little difference between a 9262 and 1730 in spite of 9262's faster CPU and memory. 9262 will be faster for CPU bound tasks, such as video encoding or multimedia creation.

 

I run a profitable business - earlier today I sold a client a brand new printer, instead of the 2nd hand one I arranged to deliver to her.

And I am still in business and will be for a good while, because what happens is - your business expands due to recommendations by that very person, which is what Dell has been doing for years.

Aryantes would have you believe that Dell make laptops that break, hence they offer the warranty packages because they break.

That simply is not true - accidents do happen and some people unknowingly abuse their notebooks, which can lead to their premature failure - this is the reason why warranty packages were developed in the first place - in case the unthinkable happens.

Aryantes talks about Dell making laptops that break, but let me remind him that I own a Clevo, which I had to repair!

It's a D900T - it's a furnace! - it runs hot, and will most likely die again!

Now when you talk about a manufacturer designing a notebook to fail, maybe you should look no further than the one your using (if it's a Clevo)

Now it's alright making an excuse and saying, well those faults are isolated to just that model - well here's another one for you............

On the floor beside me is a broken laptop - that was given to me to repair - and does anyone care to guess what model it is?..........i'll put you all out of your misery - it's...........yes, you guessed it - ANOTHER CLEVO! - a D40ES

ok - so it's just 2 models of Clevo which fail then I hear you say.........hang on.........what was the laptop I failed to repair the other week because the motherboard was dead............a Rock Quaddra 64 (oops sorry, Clevo D470K)

OK, so are we isolating it down to just 3 models of Clevo which fail now then?

Or is it normal for a laptop to run so hot that it burns out motherboards requiring not only a replacement, but a replacement to an updated revision

Or is it normal for a D40ES to start up with a white screen (and no, it's not the inverter), or normal for a D470K not to start up at all.

In the 6 years that I have been repairing laptops - I have only been thwarted by one Dell - a Inspiron 5150, which quite frankly is a dog for a Dell, but before you call all Dell's 'dogs' look at the 3 I just mentioned!

I've come across Inspiron 8200's that have had water spilled in them - dry them out and still keep on ticking! - I've seen them dropped - and they should be dead, but no.

and I've seen Dell's customer service first hand - a friend of mine bought an Inspiron 8200 from new with 3 year Dell warranty - his hard drive went down after 2 years - a Dell tech came out and replaced the drive and reinstalled XP, but the hard drive went down again a few days later, so what did Dell do.......sent an engineer with a new hard drive and a new motherboard!

This is the reason penultimately why Dell are a large business, just because they offer extended warranties, doesn't mean to say that all will take advantage, there will be a small percentage who make fraudulent claims to get an updated laptop (I know one person who does it regular) but how can you prove that they threw it downstairs???

at the end of the day - if 10 people pay $400 each, but only 1 claims for a new laptop, they pretty much got it covered without losing a bean - they wouldn't have made anything either - but they won't have lost money, especially considering the percentages of people who don't claim under Dell's warranty.

There are certain companies that will always be in business, and will always be big - and they don't get that big by doing half the things you Clevo owners report they do on here!

You'll never kill intel, even if AMD makes a chip which is twice faster - intel have and always will have the biggest percentage of the microprocessor market.

and the same will go for Microsoft and Dell - they are just too big and they have literally got money to burn, and sometimes, the end user gets to take advantage of that - hence the stories of replaced upgraded laptops.

You'll never get that from Sager - because they are the ones that can't afford to do that - after all, if they could, don't you think all you lot who are waiting for 9262 SLi's would have had yours by now.

Clevo just doesn't have that kind of clout - admit it.

 

Andy@Soscomputers
Let me guess, you get big bonus for selling Dell. You can tell that BS to
your idiots customers that ask your opinion but no need to feed us here
with it. I owned sager np5660 for 3 years and I know it owned Dell big time
for years. Even Dell desktop were no match at that time. Only had one problem that had to be shiped and never again. Support was good.
And my friend had to use Dell service several times with less time ownage.
Not to mention that he paid over 2x my laptop price year after mine and his system was little improved other than huge HD drives.
Go preach on other boards salesman.

 

Everybody has their horror stories.

I am not saying that Clevo makes perfect laptops.

I am not saying that Dell makes horrible laptops and intentionally makes them break. They would soon be out of business if they did.

I am saying that it is RIDICULOUS to buy a product JUST BECAUSE it has a good warranty, hence, the tommy boy quote.

It is just the whole point of this thread was about performance of laptops and quality of laptops.

NOT the service that one can get when the laptop breaks. that is for a whole different discussion.

If one company is selling a MORE POWERFUL computer and a lesser warranty, and someone comes in here asking which is more powerful, are you going to say "well, this one has a better warranty, so get that one?"

I have had dell laptops, I have 4 dead 600m's here that need new motherboards, power supplies, batteries, optical drives, harddrives etc. Full term of their life less than 2 years. The person I took them from, originally had 6 without extended warranty. I ended up frankensteining them and making 2 working laptops, he didn't care for the carcasses to be repaired.

Also have a few other dead ones, including the 5150.

I run a reputable business myself and have sold dell to many customers, I will NOT sell them Clevo, precisely for the reasons you stated before.

I WILL buy a Clevo for myself, since I am not the typical end user who needs to call tech support because they can't seem to connect to their wireless network or does something ridiculous to ruin a laptop and have to replace it.

The practices that a company uses to make the customer all warm and fuzzy are NOT tied in to the quality of the product they provide, that is all I am saying. The majority of my business is also incredibly more 'subjective' than any computer business.

If you don't want to buy Clevo, fine, if you don't want to buy Dell, fine, just keep the topics separate, in my opinion.

 

This thread wasn't about which was more powerfull at all. See the original post. This thread was debating the merits of 2 different laptops. It quickly degenerated in to people bashing Dell for no real reason other than to convince the OP to buy sager.

Service and warranty are a consideration for most people when buying a laptop. I know it is for me. If i have to be down for a week to ship my laptop for service to Eurocom, it may be worth it to pay a bit more and get the better warranty from Xotic, etc.

Like I said a lot of people feel the need to talk down any other product than the one they purchased and I'm just trying to give a non biased opinion for the sake of the OP.

I have clients with laptops and desktops by Dell that have never seen service after 5 years, including about 20 600m's. I also have several that needed service and got repaired within 24 hours. I think their failure rates are probably on par with any other consumer computer. Their warranty is definately the best in the business. Their prices on th ehigh end stuff when not on sale are definately more than some, but a lot less than most boutique brands.

Dell has it's merits and flaws, as does every brand. I just wanted to give an unbiased opinion of them to counteract some of the considerable slander going on.

The main reason I will be going with a Clevo based notebook is cost. I don't need SLI or multiple hard drives so the m570 is a perfect fit.

 

One thing's for certain though.. All the Dell fans here that are calling the quad core in the 9262 pointless, haven't really taken a look at their own rig, have they ?? I mean what could me more pointless than an AGEIA PhysX PPU when it's only going to be an extension to the CUDA software in 8-series Geforce GPUs! Hell, almost EVERY person getting a 1730 would get a quad core if it were available, but since it's not... why not attack the other company providing it ?
Either way duane123 is absolutely right! This isn't the purpose of this thread at all... and that probably makes this my last post, unless I'm quoted..

 

I disagree, it is perfectly reasonable to consider support, service and warranty when buying a laptop, and most people do. It is as important as technical specs of the machine, especially for non-technical people who are after all the majority of customers.

 

Yes, the AGEIA card is useless and little more than a gimmick.

I never said that quad-core is pointless, far from it, but for games it is of limited use.

 

That doesn't mean that tomorrow's games won't utilize it (to the fullest) though

 

I don't get any bonus for selling Dell - but I do get piece of mind and make a profit when I resell what I know is a reliable laptop.

Would I resell a 5 year old Inspiron 8200 to a first time laptop buyer - HELL YES! - I've sold 10 of them upto a recent as last year - has any gone wrong? well, 1 did - but let's see, it was dropped from a kitchen table 5 times before it finally died, and even then it was only the screen that broke!

Would I resell a 3 year old Inspiron 5150 - HELL NO! - I only needed to buy 1 as spares or repair to learn that I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole!

Now if your entire focus of your hatred toward Dell was because all their laptops were the same, reliability-wise as the 5150, then you are so mistaken!

and I've sold Latitude D600's, which have yet to fail.

Sometimes it is possible to sell a Dell notebook like one of the above models - and they do fail - but by and large it's more down to user abuse rather than a fault of the manufacturer itself!

For example - for 18 months I owned a Toshiba Qosmio G30, and although many have described that laptop as a 'lemon' because of the graphics chip failure - I never had so much as one problem throughout my ownership.

Now, was that due to the fact that - I always operated the machine on a cool flat surface? One will never know - but if I had used it on a bed, like most Jane/John Doe's do I am pretty sure I would have become one of the statistics.

On the other hand - I know people who have personally looked after Clevo laptops - and, in the case of my D900T - they still failed!

 

Guys,

Everyone take a breather and calm down. There is no need to get "excited".

 

This is getting ridiculous - I don't understand the hostility.

I'll get this thread back on topic (where it will stay or . . . I'll just close this thread).

I have tested both the D900C and the XPS M1730. If I had to choose between the two, it would take me half a heartbeat to choose the Sager. Reasons:
-More solid build quality. The D900C has thicker plastic and a more rigid chassis.
-Better keyboard - the Dell's feels kind of cheap and has flex. The D900C suffers from neither.
-You get what you pay for. IMO the Dell is overpriced compared to what you can get in the Sager for the same amount of money.
-Better performance. There's nothing faster than a D900C. Period.
-Battery life. Believe it or not, the D900C even with the quad-core outlasts the M1730.
-Service. Yes the XPS has better service than the standard Inspiron but service through a reseller like PowerNotebooks or XoticPC will be superior.

Both the M1730 and the D900C are great machines, and I would be happy with either . . . but the Sager has the edge in a head-to-head comparison. Note that this is my OPINION and should be taken as such.

 

Well said Chaz.

 

Chaz hit the nail HARD... RIGHT on it's mark!

 

I just re-read Chaz's review of the m1730

he had some pretty wicked things to say about it.. like build quality of chasiss and other good things.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4085

makes me re-think the whole thing..

 

Sager Np9262 eats the 1730

 

I don't know anything about the Dell but i just got my 9262 3 weeks ago direct from sager. (consider getting yours from Xoticpc.com if you get one) I love this thing it is incredibly solid and well built. I go into stores not just to touch and feel other laptops on display and they just feel cheap compared to this thing. Runs very cool even without my Zalman 1000 Cooler that i got just to make sure this thing runs forever. The 9262 Runs very quiet also I had a 5793 for a week before i returned it for a 9262 and it was pretty loud i thought the 9262 would be loud but its surprisingly quieter than the smaller 5793. Awsome FPS and computing power. I play EQ2, instead of some of the cooler more intensive games that i see people talking about with the bench mark scores and stuff of which i know nothing about, and i can have 3 clients going with one on high quality settings and it doesn't even lag. keep in mind Eq2, from what I know, does not support more than one core or more than one video card and is only DX9. So i can only imagine how this will run when i get the second vid card and if i ever start playing something that can truely take advantage of the power this desktop in a laptop shell offers. I Will recommend to anyone. This is my first laptop btw. This thing is more powerfull than either of my desktops of which i could only BARELY run 2 eq2 game clients on at the same time and switching between the 2 was very laggy.

As a novice laptop and forum user what it boiled down to for me is that i wanted it to do everything that i couldn't even imagine i might be doing in the future. If you gonna spend that kind of cash ...think long term.

 

don't have much to add here except that if you're planning on doing any audio/video encoding and decoding and the like it is really advantageous to have a quad core. There's something satisfying about watching your processor decode 4 tracks at once; even more satisfying is the lack of time it takes to do so. I also use my 9262 as a recording studio linked to a gnx4 guitar workstation, and it's f#%#in' PERF!

 

I likely wont be using the laptop for anything more than gaming on the one hand, and browsing the web/downloading files, etc.

I know there is a divergence of views about whether a quad core is useful for gaming right now or not, though. I'm hoping for a laptop that will last me around 4 years, and by that I mean, play new games now at high setting, and in 4 years or so, still be able to play them but obviously with some compromise on settings (but hopefully not ugly).

I'm wondering what everyone's views are on whether, in such an amount of time (1) a 2.6ghz quad core will be obsolete or (2) it wont matter if it's obsolete because the 8800gtx will be.

I mean, in 4 years will games actually require more than 4 cores at 2.6ghz? In 4 years, will games require more than 2 cores on the dell xps at overclocked 3.2ghz?

Also, I should say that I enjoy gaming as well as working at the same time. I'm usually working either in a word processor or the web, so I'm wondering if a quad core or a dual core would make much of a difference when I want to run say a game and also several word sheets open at the same time, perhaps windowed?

And again I'd like to mention that I really appreciate all the thought that has gone into everyone's posts here. I'm learning more here than I have with weeks of browsing different reviews sites and all that.

 

Please show me how the sager is cheaper .It my be better but I do not see how it is any cheaper than the dell .

 

In 2012 all games will require a 4Ghz octocore... seriously though I think the Q6700 will outlast the 8800gtx in its useful lifespan, but they both will suck in 4 years unless you're playing games that are a couple years old

 

SAGER - 3914

SAGER NP9262 Ultimate Custom Laptop (Built on Clevo D900C / D901C) SAGER NP9262 Ultimate Custom Laptop (Built on Clevo D900C / D901C)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz w/ 4MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
- SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800GTX (1024MB Total) w/GDDR3 DX10 Video Cards (User Upgradeable)- ETA End of February
- None Standard
- ~ 4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- None Standard - 9262
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n
- None Standard
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- None Standard
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Integrated System Speakers - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- 110/220V 120W Auto Switching AC Adapter - Included
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard
- ~Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- None Standard
- None Standard
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Tech Support
(Extra 2 Year Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

DELL - 4883

SYSTEM COLOR Smoke Grey edit
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Extreme X9000(2.8GHz/800Mhz FSB/6M L2 Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition - English edit
MEMORY 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz edit
HARD DRIVE RAID Performance: 640GB (2x320GB) 5400RPM edit
INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVE CD / DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW Drive) edit
VIDEO CARD NVIDIA® SLI™ Dual GeForce® 8800M GTX with 1GB GDDR3 Memory edit
WIRELESS CARDS Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965a/g/n Mini Card edit
BATTERY OPTIONS 85 WHr Lithium Ion Battery (9-cell) edit
SOUND OPTIONS High Definition Audio 2.0

WARRANTY AND SERVICE 2Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor, 24x7 Phone Support edit
DATASAFE ONLINE BACKUP Included 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year edit
DIAL-UP INTERNET ACCESS No ISP requested edit
ENVIRONMENTAL OPTIONS Free Recycling Kit

 

Eh go to dell and click on XPS gaming under home, and you can get one with the extreme proc, SLI 8800's, etc ,etc for 3,999.

You have to pick the one already configured with all the buzzers and bells. Includes the 3 year warranty even.

 

SAGER NP9262 Ultimate Custom Laptop (Built on Clevo D900C / D901C)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel Core 2 Duo EXTREME X6800 2.93GHz w/ 4MB L2 Cache - 1066MHz FSB
- SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800GTX (1024MB Total) w/GDDR3 DX10 Video Cards (User Upgradeable)- ETA End of February
- None Standard
- ~ 4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- None Standard - 9262
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n
- None Standard
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- None Standard
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Integrated System Speakers - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- 110/220V 120W Auto Switching AC Adapter - Included
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Sager 3 Year Parts & Labor Warranty w/ Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Customer Support
$5,151.00

 

oh sorry, then it is 4400.

Hamilcar, why did u put that cpu so high? the base cpu of the sager is way better than the X9000 of the dell

 

Are you kidding? Maybe I don't know how to use online configuration websites, but by my reckoning, a Dell XPS M1730 configured as follows:

• C2D Extreme X9000
• Vista Home Premium
• 4GB RAM
• 200GB 7200rpm HDD
• 17" WUXGA
• a/g/n wireless & internal bluetooth
• Mandatory minimum 3-yr parts/labor service agmt
• no productivity or security software (i.e., options declined)
• 8800M GPUs in SLi

prices out as follows:

• base price..............= $4,803
• less Dell discount....=($599)
• Net base price.........= $4,204
  
• Shipping.................= $24.98
• Sales Tax...............= $352.08
• Total....................= $4,556.08

A 9262 configured from xoticpc.com as follows:

• 17" WUXGA
• C2Q Quad 6600
• 8800M GPUs in SLi
• 4GB DDR2 800MHz
• 200GB 7200rpm HDD
• a/g/n wireless & internal bluetooth
• WinXP Pro (not offered on the Dell, and actually $35 more expensive than the Vista home premium OS)
• no bundled software
• Optional 3 year parts & labor warranty (added to handicap the Sager - I actually would probably not want a 3-yr warranty like this, but I don't have any choice with the D'h'ell)

prices out as follows:

• base price.........................= $4,036
• less xoticpc cash discount..= ($121.08)
• Shipping (estimate).............= $60.00 (I think that's reasonable, but it's just my estimate)
• Sales Tax..........................= $0 (I won't be shipping to a Nebraska address and xoticpc.com is not subject to my home state sales tax jurisdiction)
• Total................................= $3,974.92

Now, by my reckoning, that makes the _Dell XPS about $600 more expensive than the Sager/Clevo, or am I missing something.

Keep in mind, that's only after I handicapped the Sager by adding items that are optional on the Sager but that _Dell forces me to buy even though I don't want them; namely, a 3-year parts/labor warranty and Vista OS. If I subtract those items and go with the standard xoticpc.com 3-year labor/1-year parts warranty and WinXP Home (my preferred OS - in terms of the available options, that is ), then I can knock another $251 off the price of the Sager/Clevo, bringing it down to about $3,733.39, or approximately $800 cheaper than the _Dell XPS M1730.

Or am I missing something?

 

Naw, by then, we'll all have to have an Intel terascale processor.

 

Clevo/Sager seems like really nice computers, I have only found one reseller here in Sweden for them and they are more expensive than Dell. So for me the only option was to buy a M1730. Now I owned another M1730 which I sent back since the 8800m GTX came out and I wanted that instead of the 8700m GT´s. I don´t agree that the build quality is bad, hell I own another XPS M170 that has very good build quality, the M1730 is even better and has really good cooling.

So how many games uses Quad Core today? Most newer games today still uses single core and 2 cores are just beginning to get used. Now you see if a game is coded to use multithreading, that doesn´t mean it automatically uses 4 threads if you have that. The game has to be written and optimized to use that.

So I agree for games a quad core is useless today, a faster clocked Core2Duo is better. Though for encoding, 3D graphics and such it is great.

The only reason the sager/clevo is faster is due to the desktop components. The GPU´s is still the same, so in gaming you won´t notice any big difference anyway since as said most games out there is GPU limited Now have you Clevo/Sager owners got your 8800m GTX SLI yet? If not you can´t say you have faster computers yet until your SLI cards arrive. If they already have yeah then you have the faster notebook out there.

Still the 2.8GHz Core2Duo Extreme is faster than your Quad Core 2.6 Ghz CPU for games only utilizing two cores

 

The bottom line of this thread seems to be that, for the most part, there is not much difference between the _Dell and the Sager/Clevo when it comes to gaming, so the choice comes down to price and subjective taste (i.e., whether or not you like garish/cool - pick your adjectival poison - lights). Since pricing is seller/location specific, there's not much point in arguing that one, and since subjective taste is, well, subjective, it's moot.

One nit with the quoted post though. The X9000, even though it has a frequency of 2.8GHz, may not actually be faster than the Q6600 at 2.4GHz, even on games that only utilize one or two cores, due to the fact that Intel chips utilize a shared L2 Cache design, and the Q6600 has 8MB of shared L2 Cache whereas the X9000 only has 6MB of shared L2 Cache.

Assuming only two cores are being used, and both are equally loaded, if one core develops an L2 caching requirement that is even slightly greater than 3MB, on the X9000, the other core will be effectively idled if it's L2 cache requirements are at 3MB, or are in any amount that, when added to the requirement of the first core, yield a sum for both cores that is greater than 6MB. For example, if core0 requires a 3.1MB L2 cache and core1 requires 3.05MB, whichever core gets control of the shared L2 cache first will effectively idle the other core until such time as the first core releases the L2 cache.

On the other hand, on the Q6600, so long as neither core requires more than 4MB of L2 cache, both cores can utilize greater than 3MB of cache and still continue without interruption. This effect, which was demonstrated in an article that was posted on http://www.xbitlabs.com/ a while back (and possibly on other sites, I don't know - unfortunately, I cannot find the link right now), is an artifact of the shared L2 cache design used by Intel.

 

The 8MB cache is not shared between all 4 cores, Q660 is in fact two "dual-core" cores each with 4MB of cache. So each core has access to 4MB of cache max.

In addition, X9000 includes additional enhancements compared to 65nm processors, giving it 5-7% advantage over same-clocked 65nm.

 

Well, there we go then, I stand corrected. Thanks. That does alter the equation somewhat, don't it? The quadcore would then get cache-jammed if either core required more than 2MG of L2 cache - that's a shame, and another reason why the current so-called quads are really ersatz frankensteins.

 

Well I chose and Ordered the D901c Phantom from Eurocom.

 

Bravo! Let me be the first to congratulate you (envious as I am )!

 

You forgot to take note of Frame Bus Speeds. Why QC, base proc for the D901C (DC), is better than the X9000