Did the W90 Dethrone the 9262?

Ok been reading up on the W90 and from the few owners who got theirs from newegg, its performing at 13kish max and striker seems like he is scared to do a benchmark on his, for some odd reason, he is avoiding it. Now maybe the reason why that guy scored 20k is maybe because of the QX9300 processor?

But benchmarks aside, isnt the 9262 with dual 9800 gtx's still better than 4870's (4850's) in crossfire? I mean when it comes to gaming and framerates etc... I am a bit confused ebcause I know the desktop version of the 9800 gtx blows away the 4870's. Can anyone clear this up?

I have $4k to spend on a new gaming laptop that is suppose to last me 3 years or so, should I wait for the new gaming clevos that they are going to announce in march? Or should I just get the 9262? I can wait till july-august as a deadline.

And finally, does the 4870's (4850's) in xfire out perform the 9800 gtx's in sli?

 

Well, I know that the A1 and A2 versions will definatly feature Quad Cores, and much more stability than the X1. You should wait for them.

I prefer the Asus over the np9262 as at least it has some instances of style.

 

Desktop 4850 performs roundly same as 9800 GTX, if not better; Desktop 9800 GTX+ beats 4850 mostly, but 4870 matches it.

Where as for mobility chip, the ATI hardware is just underclocked; where as 9800m GT or GTX are both shrinked hardware from desktop version, meaning if someone can unlock overdrive and do more than 50 mhz OC, 4870 X2 ought to have greater chance of running around D2D+ 9800m GTX SLI.

I think you guys are reading too much into 3D mark, remember that your comparing a 2.8 dual core lappy to 3.0 desktop quad, its not fair; if you want to compare, than at least do it with D901 with E8x00 +9800m GTX. No matter how strong the GPU are, if the bench has any CPU weighing, then your not comparing like for like; especially that Ati solution lately have been CPU dependent, if a Quad M17+3870 can get 13k, then A1/2 model of W90 should do much better.

Beside, I think 13k stock is not that bad, consider CPU weighing is heavy for 3Dmark06, any quad in W90 would helps alot, currently PCtuning.cz has got about 14k with 4870 X2 + T9600, which is already close to 15.6k of desktop quad + 9800m GTX SLi. Put in a mid-high end quad, beating clevo one should be no problem. But then again 3D mark isn't that meaningful anymore, and ATi 4 series definately does better in vantage; also mobility CF seems underperforming, if the driver is updated, it should better score than that.

 

Yes, remember that the guys running the benchmarks in the W90vp Owners Lounge are using stock drivers, which have been proven to be quite unstable.

Imagine the potential of the W90 later on.

 

so guys, the w90 is the new gaming notebook king ?

 

4850 is on par with 9800 gtx+, and 4870 is much faster than any of them.

 

hopefully in march in cebit, clevo can top the W90, but wont be out till august, which is a long wait.

 

then its offical, ATI is owning Nvidia in the mobile field?

 

Then considering 9800m series are using less shaders, unshrinked hardware of mobility 4870 X2 (relative to desktop) ought to be far more futureproof.

 

i am being skeptical on that. i have doubts about the laptops ocing power. 4ghz mobile quad on air in a laptop is just unreal. plus, 20k in 3dmark06 would need the mobile 4870 to run at roughly the same clocks as a desktop 4850, that would mean a good bit of ocing (about +100mhz on core, +200mhz on memory)

 

yes. nvidia don't have an answer to mr hd4870 yet.

 

How did he achieve 4 Ghz? via bios multiplier OC? or perhaps just FSB OC with setFSB?

 

Because by any mean, getting 4 ghz on a quad is not easy, especially on laptop.

But then again, mobility CPU does leave some headroom for OC comparing to desktop quads laptop.

 

i'm guessing the laptop might support fsb ocing in bios as well. that would be sick. but really i have no idea, probably a mix of both.

 

Because I was wondering that for a long time, that kind of OC is normally not possible on lappy.

 

The ASUS W90vp is going up directly against the upcoming Clevo M980NU.

Both are:
- 18.4" 1920x1080
- dual videocards
- mobile Core 2 Quad systems.

the D901C is still one of the fastest around especially with fast CPUs like the Q9650.... that outperforms and is a fraction of the mobile QX9300.

just wait until more vidoecards become available for the Clevo's MXM Type IV.

 

hummm, he over clocked from 2.5 to 4.0 ghz not to many desktop people can get past a 800 to 1 ghz over clock.

and reading that w90vp review...them numbers are way to close for it to be running in crossfire mode. i sure hope that is one card and the reviewer forgot to enable them or was just testing on so called even ground.

 

In terms of being the fastest gaming notebook out there based on synthetics, yes. Even if you take away the QX9300, you'll have two mildly OC'd MR 4850s (which is basically what the W90's 4870 cards are) vs two 9800M GTXs. At its worst (with immature drivers), a stock MR4850 is already on par with a stock 9800M GTX in synthetics and also some gaming benchmarks performed (check the MSI section). This would make sense as in the desktop realm of things, a 4850 goes head to head with a 9800 GTX+, and the 4870 goes head to head with GTX 260. The GDDR5 version of the MR4870 announced in CES is supposed to be more powerful than a desktop 4850 on paper.

Because systems with the MR 48xx cards are much cheaper than those equipped with their nVidia rivals, this should force nVidia or vendors of nVidia equipped machines to cut their prices on these cards and upgrades associated with these cards. I haven't seen any evidence of them doing this lately maybe because nVidia didn't get the memo yet. But I'd wait a bit until prices start to fall, so you won't have to spend that much on a NP9262.

Edit: Also, bibsybob seems the more helpful of the current owners as he actually ran a few benchmarks; 3dmark06, Vantage and Devil May Cry 4 demo. Now that there are more owners today, we should expect more benchmarks soon.

 

Those FC2 numbers are almost identical to what the GT725 gets. Probably pre 8.12 drivers or no hotfix. On the other hand, those Bioshock numbers are pretty good; don't know about some of the other games probably because they're not usually benchmarked.

 

Do you guys think there would be much point waiting for i7 version of W90? from what I read on wikipedia, i7 mobility chip will not have initially, QPI of its desktop half, if so there is pretty much no advantage?

 

that's what i was thinking as well..bioshock was looking pretty good, but cod5 was looking shabby...
this is why i say...benching is not an easy thing to do when dealing with multiple systems and drivers.... you don't know if it's the real potential of a machine till all avenues are tested.... so im thinking some of thier test..xfire was not working while in others it was doing what is should be doing..not sure if at full potential or not...

 

Clean install with OC'd CPU hit 15K.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4561243&postcount=486

 

That is not the only area of concern, it is important to consider build quality and reliability as well. After sales service, etc.
Not everything is about performance you know...

 

that thing is stocked with over clock from what i can see...they say the chip is 2.8 ghz and is set to 3.0..at least that's what the pctuning guy said...
or is it factory stock at 2.8 all the way around?

his link doesn't work for me..the one to orb

but the numbers look good for a dual core, just need to see what they look like on a quad..since all dual core numbers seem to be higher when dealing with 2.0/3.0 scoring on 3dmark.

 

does the w90 have heat problems? its alot of power for a notebook. be kinda sad if it stutters from auto downclocking to evade heat and random shut downs.

 

i don't think so.

 

Kinda weird actually. It worked earlier. I believe it was overclocked to the max stock overclock Asus allows.

No heat complaints from any of the users so far.

 

thanks for the awesome feedback, nice to read what everyone had to say. Btw they already announced the gddr5 version of this card? I guess we will have to wait 2 weeks tos ee what clevo announces in Cebit. I personally never liked ATI when it came to desktops, I always liked and been loyal to Nvidia. It would take a lot for me to get a $3k-$4k laptop with an ATI card instead of a Nvidia card. I finally saved enough to have enough funds for a decked out laptop, so I think ill have to wait for the new clevos, as I have to get one by September at the latest.

 

btw I see Xotic PC already selling the W90 with the QX9300 processor but the ATI cards are still GDDR3.

http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-larger-laptops-ct-95_51_166.html

 

over $1000 for a QX9300 (2.53GHz) quad-core that cannot go up against a desktop Q9650 (3.0GHz) that is about 1/4 of the price..... WOW.

NOT "bang for the buck."

 

they threw me off with that. i thought these cards would be the 1 gig gddr5 cards....now im seriously wondering if they are only making the dual gpu card the 1 gig/gddr5 terabyte something.... didn't they say it had a terabyte of of something?

 

Terabyte of storage space. 2 x 500 GB

 

nah dt, it was something else, because they said it was a first for any video card ...now i can't find it.

something like a gigpixel or a gigtexel...

edit: Pending arrival: Asus N80vn P8600, 9650M GT, 4GB RAM, 320GB 5400, Vista Home Premium<---- what do you mean...pending...you out buying again buddy?...lol

 

yeah the A1 version doesnt seem to be the gddr5 systems... And I was reading on the alienware fanboys section and they are saying alienware is gonna throw in 4870 gddr5 cards on the M17 (aka OCZ whitebook). I LOL'ed because knowing that alienware is not good with upgrades and the fact that till this day they can't keep their M15x system with the 9800gt system cool, it still run SUPER HOT!

Now how the hell are they gonna fit dual 4870's on the M17 frame? People shouldnt believe anything that the alienware CSR team say, even if its the roswell team. Only believe something from the dev team or offical announcement. Had a bad experience with alienware, and trust me, from experience, they really dont know a lot or know any future products. Come on, you think alienware can keep dual 4870's cool on a 17" frame when the Asus is an 18.4 system? Hmmmm

 

Sorry I had to vent about alienware, the M17 owners are so hopeful that this is going to happen, I just dont think they should beleive anything the CSR team has to say.

 

well...allot of people are hoping this will become a fact.... replace the 3870s with a much more powerful card....

 

yeah but do you think alienware can do something that asus couldn't? Fit 4870's in xfire on a much much smaller frame? And keep it cooled to boot. I just loss fate with alienware, and from the thread I read, it was an email from alienware csr team. I just don't think it will happen, but hey, I might be wrong. I dealt with both the normal and roswell csr team, and they really dont have the right info a lot of times. If you check my post history, I was a big on the M15x and wanted to get one so bad, but I ended up making a thread on how many owners on this site had a system that was overheating and downclocking, and it was something like 85% of the owners, 21 out of 24 owbers or something like that. Everytime I called alienware, they said the problem was fix.. So frustrating, never again ill deal with alienware.

 

im still skeptical about that even working...they would need way bigger heat sinks than the ones are currently using...but that's my opinion....we shall see in the up and coming months though.

 

btw John, how possible is it for the new clevos to have the i7 processors + the new gtx 200 series cards?

 

Clevo has been doing such things before everyone else.

I am not surprised at all that Clevo designed a desktop Core i7 system with support for GTX 200 videocards.

... I am typing on the world's first dual-core CPU notebook.... also known as the world's fastest notebook back in 2006.

 

It's arriving in a few days.

If it turns out adequate, I'll probably sell everything else. Not gaming enough to warrant the 8800M GTX SLI anyway. Will be waiting for Nehalem to arrive, hopefully Intel won't push back the release dates. As much as the ATI cards look amazing, the ATI's drivers leave much to be desired.

I actually agree about the AW's 4870s. Information from customer service reps, regardless of company should always be taken with a pinch of salt. For some reason, the AW guys don't seem to really get that.

 

as big as this new machine is...seems like it has the space to incorporate one in. the last model ran a qx9650 and that chip has the same watts as the i7 series. and my laptop runs fine and stays cool. i was going to say i think the i7's would be cooler, but that's up in the air....

yes sir...you sure did have the fastest!!...woohoo...go gophn!.

dt

im trying to understand why the aa boost performance for the ati's...without it, the gtx are better, but once enabled, it cuts the card by 1/3 @4x and 2/3 @8x...any insight dt?

 

well...i have pushed the gtx about as far as it can be pushed without over clocking the board or the cpu...if i could do that, then this system could hit about 18k to 19k and gain anywhere from 5 to 60 fps depending on game. (speculation of course)

 

I haven't been keeping track of ATI's performances very much, but I've been hearing this (4XXX performing better with AA) for a while now.

I think I found out what tera(X) you are looking for.
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2603&pg=2

Article also mentions the 4XXX's AA performance.

 

The D901f is gonna have only a single card in it right? The 18.4" clevo is gonna be the new gaming machine for clevo right?

 

That would be correct.

 

ah, good info there! that's what i was looking for on both accounts. something that explained why the better

yes, that's why i want to hear from cebit...to see if all the speculations are true or just that...speculations and something else is in the works...

 

Cebit is next week sometime right? Man the W90 came out so fast, I wish the new clevo systems were like that, instead of waiting months and months for clevo