Differences? 8800M GTX and 9800M GT

So... the 9800GT, unlike what all the enlightned gurus were claiming... is slightly more powerful than the 8800GTX (even if, like Paladin said, statistically not significative). Those are good news...

 

@Arom:

Like I said a few posts back, both the DMC4 benchmarks and the Crysis benchmarks were performed at 1920x1200, DX10, at the highest possible settings.

 

No, the Him in our mission statement doesn't = Donald.

 

The specs on the Nvidia website for 9800M GT have changed today.

It says 96 stream processors today, whereas yesterday it said 64.

 

Those settings that are shown in the DevilMayCry4 screen shots were the same for the Cyrsis benchmarks.

 

:rolleyes2: what a suprise
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800m_gt.html

 

Does it means that from today, the 9800GT officially beats the 8800GTX? Can we start the party now? Or maybe someone else has something else to add. It's a thing with humans... They have opinions about everything (even if they have no idea about what they are talking about).

 

That is interesting, that means with same clocks, gtx versus gt is 112 vs. 96 means its only about 16% faster, backed up by 420 to 360 gigaflops. Now their numbers make sense. So, 16% for 360 bucks? I don't think so... sounds like 9800m gt and 9800m gt sli are the best options

 

Now you see why I said that we would wait for nVIDIA to publish the specs.

Can you just imagine what would have happened here if I would have announced this yesterday, without nVIDIA publishing them first

 

So, I am assuming that the 9800m gt is another core which is a 55nm die shrink of the 8800m gtx? I saw the driver listings (where was that thread?) that showed the cores for each model, but it didn't feature the 9800's. Do we know what the TDP of the 9800m GT is? (my guess is 25-30W)

It sounds like if the 9800m gtx is the same TDP as 8800m gtx, alienware will offer that in the m15x just to claim performance superiority again regardless of the consequences.

 

nvidia changed teh specs, pretty lame.
switcheroos are lame.

 

wow yeah this sucks..for those of us with the 8800gtx's that just bought something

 

>.> I don't see why, it would have made perfect sense since we already had the clocks.

 

not surprising, look at what they did to their GPUs.

 

So you'd prefer it be a less powerful card rather than a card of comparable power for a lower price? nVIDIA ARE the ones making the card, so I think they're the ones who have the right to change the specs if anyone does .

 

Can anyone answer my question(s) instead of arguing about who won?

 

No man, that's cool. Whatever helps people game at better prices is fine by me (I'm not affected personally) but what does bother me is people like bwhxeon who blow smoke up most people's you-know-what when I'm using hard facts, and they pop back up again when something like a switcheroo happens and say "HEY I WON U C? LOL I'm DA MAN"

Not cool, I pride myself on showing up clueless people.

 

It's not 55nm, The first 55nm from nvidia is the 9800GTX PLUS for desktops.
You won't see 55nm notebook stuff until later. They're not going full 55 just yet, so it's the 65nm

 

@NoelGallagher,
you are way too sensitive, I didn't see bwhxeon acted or said in the way your described. chill out a bit.

 

That's what I thought, so there really isn't all that much difference. Now I'm interested to see what the 55nm 3870 can do.

 

I dont like people who have some special rank think they're know it alls.
I like to post useful information and know what I'm talking about.
Far too often in society the people who are higher up in a hierachy expect the things they to never be questioned. I question people who I feel need a check. We're not all experts in every facet of life, as much as bwhxeon would consider himself. We're all here collectively to contribute what we have expertise on. Mine happens to be hardware, so when someone blows smoke and gets called on it and then tries to deflect the topic, I'm not down with that.

 

Don't expect much. As good as it sounds I'd take a g92 over an rv6xx any day. The 3870, if it stays in desktop spec, will be better; but I highly doubt it.

ATI and nVidia have the same fabrication process by TSMC in taiwan, which means that the 55nm die from either nv or ati will be the same in craftsmanship, but architecture will obviously be different

 

I agree with your "We're all here collectively to contribute what we have expertise on.", but the pictures you posted and languages you used were just too much.

 

Enough with all this pointless discussion... I'm coming here to gather information, not to gather vanity/prideness battles.
The point here is... the 9800GT is better than the 8800GTX and that's all.
Move on and try and avoid getting into arguments that can only be read "I'm better than you... blah blah blah... you suck... blah blah!".

More... I've just browsed through this topic and I have to say, Noel you do know about hardware, but maybe you should learn a bit about being more humble and not so arrogant. The way you say things just really makes me forget what I'm coming here for... To get help. No one wants to know you can get "*****es because you are so good looking", no one wants to know you are the king of hardware and knows EVERYTHING... Point your facts, explain what you think, but do not let your pride get in the way of your brain!

I'm sure everyone looking for information will thank you.
Keep smilling,
M

 

They seems to be the SAME card rebranded... so it seems you are talking without sense..

 

Ok! Thanks for the clarification...
And just for the sake of information... I am not trying to make any point... I was just kindly asking people to try and make discussions a little bit less a matter of "life and death".
Everyone got so hypped about this issue... and the only thing we needed was to wait and see what benchmarks we would be presented with (like Donald and Paladin said so many times). But people always want to make lots of big theories...

Anyway... sometimes life does look a bit "nonsense"! It's good... it makes it more interesting.

 

It was my impression that the 9800m GT is slightly faster. While technically there may be nothing to warrant this, in the benchmarks that Donald posted the 9800m GT scored slightly better than the 8800m GTX. Perhaps this is due to some increase in efficiency from one of the GPU components? Or perhaps the higher score was sheer luck? Anyone?

Also @ Noel: In a post earlier in this thread you said something along the lines of hating when people trust authority figures blindly. Don't you think that statement makes you a little hypocritical, since you trusted the specs on Nvidia's website without questioning them, even though people who had used the notebook told you that the card was on par with the 8800m GTX?

 

Deifiic there is a statistical error analysis that must be accounted for
In a perfect world they're equal. Since machines are not 100 percent efficient yet (More like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999) and we're multiplying computations that are in the 10^9... That will show up in abuot 1-2 frames.

 

That would be the reason then, thanks.

 

There's nothing wrong with trusting apparently official specifications published by the person who designed the thing being specified, although one should be sensitive to the possibility of error, and take actual reported usage into account; however, usage reports that don't square with the reported specs are not enough to require that the specs be questioned unless the reported usage gives enough detail to indicate where or now the published specs might be wrong. Until, of course, the designer fesses up and publishes corrected specs!

 

Quoted for truth. I've followed this debate. Many have behaved badly.

 

check post#3 in this thread.

 

bah i love your avatar

 

dont forget the new 1066 fsb and the ddr3 ram vs 800 fsb and ddr2 with the older system, unless they tested both with the new 1066 in donald's results that would imo be the factor that made the 1.x+ frame rate difference..

 

@zfactor:

Like we mentioned several times...the cards were tested on the same notebook. A single testbed system was used, and the cards were swapped for each test. Other than the GPUs, it was the exact some configuration for each test.

 

that says one thing, 5793 will be support 9800m GT! very likely to support 9800m gtx as well!

 

I don`t see why you say that.
No laptop has SLI 9800M GTs yet, and SLI 8800M GTX is still better.

 

^--^
The Sager NP9262 is currently offering the 9800M GT in SLi.

 

Well, darn
I am fine with 8800M GTX SLI though, I can play any game at WUXGA , all high

 

^^

Considering the performance difference is, as we've said, statistically insignificant (yes, I'm repeating for emphasis ), it's not like there would be a revolutionary change switching to the 9800M GT in SLi, anyway

 

I'm still skeptical; I would appreciate it if you could send me both ASAP for testing .

 

I know this thread is based on the nVidia GPUs. But what do you guys think about the HD3870? Will it be any better?
No one seems interested in ATI. I wonder why...

 

No problem...we can two of them on the way to you upon receiving your deposit for $5,000

 

Cossack7V7, Neil said 3870 is between GT and GTS based on the test they did 6 weeks ago.

 

>.> so wouldn't that mean the 3870 would cost more than the gts, or is it because amd is keeping the price competitive?

 

AMD is staying price competitive (see the 4850 and 4870, nvidia did a panic move and dropped 260 and 280 prices within weeks of releasing to counter).

That's why you're silly not to get the 3870 when it comes out. Otherwise, you have to pay 195 more to get better performance in the 9800m gt.

That 195 will pay for almost any HDD you want, or alternatively, the p9500, etc etc.

 

Someone said the same thing, and Donald pointed out pricing doesn't always justify the performance.

 

It could turn out to be even better if nvidia lowers prices in the mobile sector to compete. Especially when mobile versions of 4850/4870 hit.

 

According to Donald, they were tested on a 5796. While likely, it doesn't necessarily mean that the 5793 will support 9800M GT.

Also, I'm with Shyster about

A few users were honestly trying to provide a reason as to why the 9800M GT (based on specs then released by Nvidia) would be inferior to the 8800M GTX. They might not have been all that polite, but they were basing their argument off specs released by Nvidia. Could have been less abrupt though.

 

Why not? I think they did it without any modification of 8800m gtx, the gpu enclosure and stuffs.