Disappointment with Sager's sale strategy

wow. ok first. since u dont own a 9262, u dont know how it looks inside. And if u do know how it looks inside then, u re ignorant. Current users have reported successfully running a QX9650 in the 9262 which is rated at 130W (the same as i7). Now, u only get 130W at 100% usage. Also the current 9262 cooling system is apparently doing a good job as non of those machines were reported buggy or BSOD. Also, there is still plenty of room inside that 9262 for extra cooling solutions that could have been tweaked. Also the GTX280 is at 55nm so in theory it should run cooler then the 9800GTX SLI. Again making an i7 with 280 SLI is not si-fi. This could have been done and who wouldnt want that!?? ... except Clevo making more $$ on selling crappy laptops to people, instead of doing what they do best.

Again there is no need for ultra spending on the i7 and 280 SLI laptop. It could be done in a current 9262 chassis. It can handle it. Someone just got too greedy, but at least they wont be getting my $$ lol

oh and stop bringing the size of the power brick again. seriously go buy a MBA or something similar if u worry about that crap. current 9262 power brick weight at least 3lbs so the extra 1lbs wont make a difference.

 

You have a NP9262, yet you complain like you're computer is going obsolete because Clevo almost made the perfect successor. But they didn't, so I'm really not sure what your point is. Your computer is still within 10% of a tricked out M98nu. If Clevo did in fact release an i7 Sli NP9262... guess what? You'd still be SOL, because you'd lack a $600+ motherboard, $1000 i960, and 2 $500 GTX 280

 

again, read all my posts. I m willing to pay for all the upgrades but I not willing to pay another $5000 for a new laptop that doenst satisfy my, and doesnt make sense. My point is that they could have made everyone happy by making a 9262 with i7 and GTX 280 SLI. and apparently the resellers say that most of the 9262 buyers were for pro usage rather then gaming, they could have put a Xeon and a QUadro card in it as an option.

just put yourself in a mind of a 9262 owner. What to update next!?? go backwards to mobile cpus or get rid of one GPU for an i7!?? also all this will cost u another $5000 instead of a $1000 mobo upgrade. Some may find this excellent but that what forums are for, to express our opinions

 

I have to agree with u... I want a i7 for compiling (when u have to wait 8 hours to get a program compiled 20% faster is A LOT), video encode, etc. But I'm a gamer and by the fact that an GTX280M is just G92b i cant be happy without a SLI.

The "brighter side" is that a clevo reseller tells me about the D901F receiving sli capabilities next year... If its true it gonna be awesome

 

This is all good stuff, really. Nice perspective, especially the bolded part.

You see no fallacy in you point of view. People type well stated posts on the technological and business sense of the matter, while your logic is summed up as "because they could, but they're greedy". Greed... really? I had typed up a long post on power consumption being about more than the PSU, which probably would have kept this going in circles, but this post summed up things pretty nicely:

 

What did you mean, bro?
I don't get the joke. Plz explain

 

While I agree with you that I wish the d900f did come sli capable, because I was waiting for it until I was informed it wasn't going to be sli (and eventually got the last of the 9262), you have absolutely no argument.

You have a np9262, you wouldn't be buying the d900f even if it did come with an i7 and sli capable, which is what you already told us. Your next argument is that you don't want to buy a new $5000 computer every year, but yet you'd be willing to upgrade. Upgrading every year is needlessly expensive, the difference between the i7/280m and what the 9262 has is about 10-20%, which doesn't matter much if you're already running everything at max.

Basically what you're trying to tell everyone is that your the poster boy for being ripped off. You're saying you'd rather spend $3500 a year to upgrade an outdated notebook than spend $4000 every 2-4 years for a new one. The i7 (made by intel) and the next generation video cards (made by Nvidia) won't fit into the 9262's current motherboard. Neither of these companies work for Clevo, it's not their choice to change the chasis, they're being forced by the companies that make products for their notebooks. This means you'd have to buy a completely new motherboard, processor, video cards, and probably a new heatsink/cooling system, which will probably cost about the same as the new notebooks.

No set price has been released, and Eurocom/kobalt are generally at least a few hundred $'s overpriced. Wait until these things go public and Sager releases their models before you go criticizing them.

I know that was long, but after reading 6 pages of ignorant arguments I had some frustration built up.

 

There is an old Zen master's tale that goes something like this (my apologies for mangling the story to those who know it better than I) - Master ____, upon waking from a dream wherein he dreamt that he was a butterfly, asked, "am I really a man who has dreamt he was a butterfly, or am I even now a butterfly dreaming that he is a man?"

In my pathetic, half-arsed way, I was trying to paraphrase that in computer-ese. Sorry if it was so pathetic that you didn't get it.

 

Well Shyster I got it, and it did make me laugh.

 

word up....

 

Im as well an owner of a D901C in my sig and so i guess i can express an opinion on the subject.

When i was buying my rig the *promises* of upgradability were not given by the reseller but were coming more or less from the Clevo community,maybe bec of policy Clevo used to follow (actually the only person that i remember coming in some threads reminding ppl that u should buy the notebook without think that will be an upgrade path and consider that what u buy now will stay forever was Chaz).
Anyway to the subject thats why i decided to maxed out the options i had for my D901c and it is serving me good.

What i dont get is that None has answer yet why d901C cannot upgrade to 280GTX SLI since we talking only about a bios update and why is not provided by Clevo,me as hundrends more owners of D901C i guess we will sit in the corner enjoying our rig for some years without paying 1$ more to upgrades untill our rig eat the dust and new technology comes that worth to change rig.

In one hand i believe this is stupid by Clevo because alot of us we would upgrade the GPU's if we could and pay the premium to Clevo/Clevo resellers, but none or atleast very few of us is willing to give 5k more for such increase in performance,on the other hand in the future theres nothing that guarantee to Clevo that will be in the king position it is now regarding notebooks so none guarantee that Clevo will get the cash they think are investing(by not giving the bios to current D901C owners and make them buy the new rig).

What made Clevo differend than other brands were the upgradability paths were given in the past.even costly,as it seems they start failing for market purposes,in the end i believe this will only bring them decrease in sales unfortunately since new brands hitting the Gaming market making great deals*Asus rings a bell* .

Anyway i regret nothing for my D901C decission since i have noth bad to say and im still thrilled from the performance still provides me in the current time,so for me no new notebook upgrade untill this one die or for the rest 3-4 years but I would upgrade to 280GTX Sli if i had the option and is not given.

 

I think that's slighty unfair. Our set price is online and on the D900F specifically we are several hundred $ cheaper than any other company who is currently offering the chassis so we definitely aren't overpriced!

 

No offense, but you are going to be inherently biased. Maybe for a non-US company your prices might be competitive, but compared to US resellers like xotic pc, or even sager themselves, anything I've spec'd out on your website has come to at least $100 more.

some data to back myself up:
kobalt mojave maxed out ($3118 )
sager 5797 same specs as above ($2809)
xotic pc 5797 same specs ($2705)

 

None taken. I just didn't want people to read it thinking that we were overpriced in general or that it's because we have double the profit margin. Everyone outside the US will be more expensive by default because of sales tax/VAT, component prices outside the US are more expensive and so on.

 

well I have some frustration as well. You have no arguments tellimg me that I have no argument. I can spent $2000 on an upgrade to a lappy and I can (I guess) spend another $5000 If I had to on a new lappy, but none of the new sager line up pc's are good. Thats my problem. Whant to upgrade, but I m being jerked off. And your prices seem ridiculous. $3500 for a mobo upgrade?? this is not Iraq, where inflation is so high. We can get those things cheaper here in the USA. Also how much I want to spent on how little performance increase is and always will be my personal opinion and not your argument.

 

great post, exactly what I m thinking!!! thx for the input brotha.

 

Sager NP9262 (D901C)

Q: Why is there not a GeForce GTX 260M / GTX 280M upgrade for Sager NP9262?

A: By design the GeForce GTX 260M / GTX 280M is not supported by the Sager NP9262 Intel P965 chipset + NVIDIA SLI bridge chip design.

NEW Sager NP9280 (D900F)

Q: Why doesn't the Sager NP9280 support SLI?

A: Besides the already discussed reasons of thermal and power consumption, there is not an official solution from NVIDIA (bridge) / Intel (native) to enable these new mobile GPU in SLI mode on Sager NP9280 based on the Intel X58 chipset solution.

NEW Sager NP9850 (M980NU)

Q: Why does the Sager NP9850 support SLI with these new mobile GPU then?

A: Because it is designed based on the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M chipset.

Q: Why wasn’t the Sager NP9850 designed to support Intel Core i7 CPU?

A: Because Intel the Core i7 CPU is only supported by chipsets produced by Intel.

SOURCE: Sager Computer Engineering Department
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So, you can design what you want in your head or on paper, but if the technology does not support it there is nothing Clevo or Sager can do to make it happen.

In the end, it is NOT a sales strategy, the limitations are in the technology itself.

 

Perfect explanation

 

i think we will now see how the resellers need to fit the components into the existing 9262 chassis and satisfy every single customer. end of life cycle products are just so unfair.

 

Excellent paladin. Thumbs up!

 

Some people just can't get it , no matter how things are explain to them. Please stop this endless discussion, it gets us nowhere.

PL

 

this thread has gone far enough.

please read paladin44's (Donald @ Powernotebooks) post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=376521&page=7