Disappointment: Intel fails the potential of Clevo P270WM...

Guys, I want to start a discussion about the Clevo P270WM and say a couple of words about its specs and features, how it fares against its cheaper counterparts P180EM and so on.

As most of you know, the P270HM features desktop CPU's on its platform and currently there are only the Sandy Bridge-E processors available for it. Since Ivy Bridge is just around the corner, coming out no later than after a few weeks, I hoped that the refreshed Ivy Bridge-E series would arrive to replace the 32nm Sandy CPU's. But after a little bit of research this morning I was heavily disappointed by Intel's roadmap for the "E-series" performance CPU's. They are supposed to hit the market in mid-2013!!!

>>>Link to read about it<<<

I planned to get one of these P270's this year, but it seems Intel's roadmap to failure convinced me not to do it. Thats full of win and here is why:

*Sandy E-series are all rated 130W TDP (battery life ftw! Second power brick FTW!)
*Sandy E-series are supposed to be "highest-end", but with 1.5 yrs old tech (prices for old tech are ftw!)
*Sandy E-series gets spanked by the mobile Ivy Bridge CPU's in single and dual-core, especially with OC (again, old tech FTW!)
*Sandy E-series has NO integrated graphics (goodbye, optimus! See you too, battery life!)
*Sandy E-series cannot be overclocked higher than the new Ivy CPU's (now where is the fun in that?)
*Sandy E-series doesent support PCI-Express 3.0 (talking about high-end...)
*Sandy E-series gets replaced by Ivy Bridge E-series in mid-2013, right when Haswell hits the market and then things get ugly - Haswell is going to spank them in everything but rendering and server operations. Way to spend some thousands on old tech!

Now, the Clevo P270WM gets handicapped because of these things in the following ways:

1.) Costs a good deal more, with older processor tech right out the box
2.) Can't utilise Optimus from its Nvidia 600 series cards, cause the CPU lacks integrated graphics
3.) Can't ulilise PCI-Express 3.0 cause of CPU supporting only 2.0
4.) Ain't getting better battery life until Ivy Bridge-E hits the market in 16 months
5.) Ain't being offered with AMD cards, no Crossfire for now, makes the user buy Nvidia's expensive stuff
6.) If you buy the P270WM now, then upgrading to Ivy E-series will NOT be a good option. By the time Ivy E-series hits the market, the Sandy E-series will be so old, that you will be lucky to get some 200$ for your old i7 3960X that costs 1200$ now. And who will want old tech? If somebody needs a replacement, they will look at Ivy Core i7's from the lower segment that are still more powerful than the old 32nm Sandy without PCI-Ex 3.0, with 130W TDP.

Things I like about the P270WM:

I.) Love its 3x HDD slots, possible for 4x with caddy
II.) Love that it has no glossy stuff (especially the bezel, nice to see its gloss-free)
III.) Love its 17.3" with 2xVGA slots, instead of the 18.4" P180HM that is hard to find a carrying bag for
IV.) Would love to have a desktop CPU in a laptop, sadly that aint happening. Not with old 32nm tech. Never.
V.) Would have loved a 32GB of ram in a laptop
VI.) Like its display hinge, a lot cleaner-looking than the other P series. Also like the subwoofer thats on the right side, instead of beneath it.

Well, I won't be buying a Clevo P270WM after all. Not with that price, not with all the old tech going on. And restricted to Nvidia... to make it worse, no hopes for Optimus. Might as well have made it with AMD cards only. Could've been cheaper.

So, I hope my little rant doesen't upset you guys, but I really needed to post this. I just don't understand - shouldn't Intel aim for releasing the High-End Extreme series of CPU's first and then on to the consumer series? Why do they release them 10 months AFTER and charge ridiculous high prices for that? I can't see the logic in that.

AMD needs to step up and do something....

 

Where'd you hear about this P180EM?

 

The P180HM is a much better bang for the buck and the performance is just as good. BTW, I had no problem finding 3-4 good bags that fit the 18" P180HM.

BTW Ivy bridge is kind of pointless for power users........if you need igfx though look at the M18x Alienware laptop.

 

My bad, was thinking about the P180HM. No idea if there will be a P180EM, but Im kind of hoping there will be...

Yes, it really is a better machine to spend my cash on. However, when I see all the glossy finish on it, I feel shivers creeping all over me. Nightmares of fingerprints and scratches are pouring into my mind.

How does the finish fare in your machine? Any complaints so far?

 

If you want optimus with sli and Ivy Bridge just wait for the 17inch P370EM...

 

Considering IB was really meant for people who wanted integrated graphics, it's not a surprise that the IB processors are a fail for gamers.

 

Yeah, you got most of the weak spots right. One thing though, the 3960X won't drop to 200$ in a year from now, you can still sell it for 600-700$ easily.

Also, I'd blame Intel for not providing a special chipset with IGP+SLI/CF+Sandy-E. Such chipset would be a great choice for the P270WM.

PCI-E 3.0 is a gimmick anyway, so no biggie.

And of course, my main complain is why on Earth would anyone want to pay 1000$+ for the 3960X if there's no way to OC' it. Clevo should really focus on this part and provide a better cooling. They can do that, just mod the heatsink to add extra 50-70W of (load) heat transfer and everyone will be happy!

 

Absolutely, Aikimox!

I found out about the Clevo P370EM just now, thanks to Prema
Looks like this 17" will be much like the P270WM, except with mobile CPU and Optimus and all the stuff I want in it.

Cant wait for pics from it!!! This might be just what I want, and hey - its coming in late summer/early fall! By that time, I will have the cash to buy it without selling my current config first and still have cash for all the upgrades I want.

Might even get it when (or IF) AMD launches 7990M (at all) and get extra 10% juice in performance. Just like I did with my current config, with the 6990m.

 

Why would you need optimus on a DTR? The battery is not meant for battery life. It's basically a UPS. In terms of old tech, the i7-990x is still crazy fast. It will handle any games for probably a couple more years. SB-E will be much the same case.
As Aikimox said, PCI-E 3.0 is a complete waste. No single GPU card can max out 2.0's bandwidth and none probably will for a while.
Intel didn't build the SB-E chips for laptops. Plain and simple. This is why there is no IGP.
Lastly, AMD is phasing out the 6990m as the 7k series are right around the corner. Wait a little while longer and I'm sure they will offer X-fire 7970m's.
You may see this as a complete waste of money, but others may not.
Just my 2 cents.

 

In terms of look and colour it will look like a hybrid of P150HM and W170HR. Grayish look but design similar to W170HR.

 

Well fingerprints come off quickly with a cloth, and scratches come out instantly if you ever get em with Novus 2. I use novus 2 to repair deep scratches on my acrylic saltwater tanks, works just as well on the surface of the P180hm and cost 5 bucks for a bottle that will last you years.

 

One other point to make on this one.

Do you really believe Haswell will be released mid-year 2013? When has Intel hit a date when AMD has not been pushing them? Why would Intel release the IVB-E chips and then turn around and release Haswell based chips within weeks?

My best guess is, unless AMD is working on some top secret CPU no one knows about, you'll see Haswell late Q4 '13 or slipping into 2014. Only time will tell.

 

Makes the question what the hell Intel really thinks about.. giving good performance or delivering decent performance for the sake of better business.. Annoys me so badly..

 

Thanks for the info! Since you are a notebook retailer, you must have seen it. Hope the NDA lifts soon and we can all see it!

Yes, all the current Core family processors are good for gaming. Especially the Extreme series on all 3 families. But that was not my point. I just don't like it when intel puts old components when Ivy Bridge is already here and demands so high prices.

I mean, come on. Desktop processors should come out BEFORE mobile ones do, right? And Extreme series CPU's should be the first ones to arrive, after them the trimmed down versions.

What we have here is Intel is offering their Extreme series long after the Sandy Bridge launch (around 10 months after the initial launch, not sure), now we have mobile Ivy Bridge coming in 2 weeks and the DESKTOP Ivy from the Extreme segment are coming in June-July 2013 at the earliest!

Right now, they offer 130W CPU's using 32nm for the server/enthusiast segment. I really dont get why. Maybe its (again) about selling the belated warehouse items they have left in-stock. Its always about money, customers go second.

P.S:

Thanks for the info! Since you are a notebook retailer, you must have seen it. Hope the NDA lifts soon and we can all see it!

Then why is it that mainstream Sandy Bridge CPU's all have IGP's, be it mobile or the desktop variants? Intel HD3000, aint it right? Yes, the SB-E is for desktops. But desktop mainstream Sandys have IGPs. All of them. Even Turbo Boost on the IGP. And here is the so called "Extreme" series that has....nothing. Goodbye optimus on that one.

 

well u said it urself: SB MAINSTREAM cpus have IGP, whereas the EXTREME cpus (SB-E) dont have IGP. if you really think about it, it does make sense, since ppl buying the high-end line chips surely wouldnt bother with the integrated graphics besides, SB-E maybe "old tech" as you put it, but theyre still the high-end chips, beating any other SB and (upcoming) IB cpus! So performance-wise, Intel does not promise too much

cheers

PS: 990X is gulftown btw, not SB-E

 

^^ My thoughts exactly. If you're dishing out $400-1000 for a CPU, why would you want it to have an IGP? It's a waste of space on the die.

SB is by no means old tech. Ivy Bridge is barely faster clock for clock. It was just a die shrink with 3d transistors. And like Jaybee said, SB-E will be the fastest desktop processor until IB-E hits next year.

I don't mean to sound like a troll here but Intel didn't design SB-E around Clevo's laptop. It's just not going to happen. All most all of their sales from desktops chips come from actual desktops. So they will cater to that market alone.

 

P180EM? P270HM? Wut
Errr... You know there is a P270WM owner's lounge, right?

Intel always releases their desktop hex-cores near the next gen. This happened before, and it will happen again.

If you wanted one of these, battery life and power brick size should obviously not be a concern. Buy a W110ER if you actually expect to haul this around frequently.

It's not 1.5 years old, SNB-E was just released. Where...?

Why would you waste your money on one of these if you can only use 2 cores?

Again, shame on you for wanting to use this on battery.

You can't prove that until we've seen this laptop and had a chance to mess around with it. Anyway, if you can actually use 12 threads, 600Mhz difference won't matter.

So? If it did, what would you use it for? No mobile GPU on the market can max out what we already have, and very few desktop GPU's can come close.

So use them for rendering and server operations.

As I said, SNB-E isn't older tech, it's brand new.

Bringing up battery life again.

Remind me how it will improve anything again..?

Please stop.

Fail? 675m are cheap. As in, $300 each.

So don't buy a 3960X, buy a 3930K. Also, I was unaware that old CPU prices deteriorated so quickly. I see $300 core2quads all the time. Oh, and one year is not old.

P170EM can do 3 with caddy, if you really need RAID5. Though 4 HDD's in a 17 incher is nice...

Why are glossy screen bezels bad again..?

Like everyone pointed out, there will be a P370EM with dual GPU's and P150EM coloring. You should get it instaid.

You want a desktop CPU, here it is. And 32nm isn't old, ivy isn't even out yet.

P151HM1 and up (except for P180HM and x7200) can all support 32GB of ram.

Yes, the subwoofer is cool.

The prices are there because intel can get away with it, and 6-core CPUs take time to develope. Oh, and regarding the topic title, how does intel's roadmap have anything to do with the power of the P270WM?

Bottom line, I suggest you wait for the P370EM. It will give you your dual GPUs in a 17 inch chassis, 3 HDD's (with caddy), and Ivy Bridge. By the way, what do you want to do with this?

 

Yes, the battery is a UPS in the x7200/p270wm. And that's the down side, IMHO. I can work for 4-5 hours on battery on my M18x and though, many will claim it's not practical, it is very much practical for me as I take my beast everywhere I go (IT-related job). I spend countless hours on meetings in public places like starbucks and having a 18" screen on the go is a big thing both for myself and my business partners or clients. I don't really care about the weight and bulkiness for that matter (those who do, go to gym ).
And while I do understand that Intel wouldn't make a Sandy-E+Igp combo on a single die, the could at least make another chipset with an IGP integrated into a mobo (like they used to do) and offer the option for those who care about battery life.

 

The latter for sure. They are a business, when it comes down to it. It sucks that AMD can't muster any competition...

 

If I didn't know better I'd think you were calling the 270WM a total loss. I just bought one myself but I am fairly certain that unless its broken in some manner, it won't dissappoint. My last Sager/Clevo DTR ran for 7 years before failing and ran everything I threw at it during that time, only at the end did it start to hiccup as the MB failed (due to heating I think, partly my fault for not replacing the cooling mat I had with it for the first 6 years).

Waiting on a new one is great if you have the time, many may not. With the old one 10-6 I need a replacement in short order. I'd honestly leaned toward the 18.4" model, but the significantly smaller RAM limitation gave me pause as 3-4 years out it could prove to be a wall on running new games circa 2015 & on. The 180s were also of limited availability which meant I would essentially be buying a machine that was already phased out, thus obsolete 1 year earlier or more.

The price on the P9270 was also less than I expected, when I originally specced it out it came around 5300 on a site that had an early configurator up. When the time came the graphics card was different, and the overall price dropped by over $1000 from what I'd originally found speculated. This may be partly a function of what you are stating about newer tech coming out soon, but I highly doubt its a $4k doorstop I just purchased.

And frankly, if you are buying a DTR and concerned about batteries, you are buying the wrong machine. I never run mine on battery save just to grab info off it. The old one throttled back performance on battery by 50% - not what I consider a handicap because its not supposed to be a laptop, but a one piece desktop you can easily carry from place to place with greater ease than a tower & monitor, mouse & keyboard. Its meant to be run from the wall, not the battery. As others said, the battery is a UPS.

 

Just to make a few things clear:
1)People buying such a CPU do care, or should care abouta n integrated GPU as one use the games not always. Mostly one use windows and it low need for gpu, and as such having a powerfull dedicated GPU that is always ON doesnt always make the best sense.

2)As long as there will be a monetary system money will ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS come first. Regardless of what ppl may think this will always come first. ANd its the greatest Brake that there can be for PROGRESS
If i were to tell that every disease is curable and that that can be done without spending a dime, probably you would get the better picture. All the pharmaceutical and medical industries exists only and only for profit.

This applies also in the electronics industry where things are specificaly desigend to brake so that ppl always buy new stuff, fact that is esspecially enforced by the fact that in the electronics industry new technology gets easily obsolete. This is done without the smallest regard for the total resources the earth posseses.

 

Exactly, well said

 

People keep saying to "wait wait wait", the problem is there is always going to be something "better" around the corner. If your ready to buy a laptop now, then buy one. The new models in reality only give marginally better performance in reality. Many apps and day to day tasks will not run any better or any faster.

I picked up my P180hm.......pretty much has everything I needed, fast i7 SB cpu, dual Ati video cards, 3 HDD bays(4 if you swap the optical drive), a nice big 18" display and its futureproof in terms of upgradeability(CPU's,RAM,HD's,Video cards,wifi card all upgradeable). The only "downside" was the lack of a backlit keyboard, but the one it comes with I found is actually very nice(extremely sturdy with NO FLEX), and I ended up buying a wireless backlit Logitech keyboard and trackball for when I dock my P180hm to my projectoer and use it as a full hub media server off the 120" projector screen, or when I put it on my bed headboard at night and want to surf before passing out. It actually worked out much better this way I found anyway. I could have spend $1500 more for the Clevo 270 with a SMALLER screen, less efficient desktop cpu(that doesnt gain any performance benefits over the mobile i7 yet sucks down alot more power)but with the backlit keyboard. Not a worthwhile tradeoff at all, especially since I gain in reality no real world performance increase. So, I get a kick out of people holding off on new tech that is ALWAYS delayed by many weeks, months and even sometimes over a year or so. Not worth it at all. WHile you all are here talking about potential(and marginal) performance upgrades on vaporware, Im here ENJOYING the current and latest tech for all my apps and games. I mean, there have been countless threads on "IVY BRIDGE" BEFORE the P180hm came out the end of last summer.........and its still not out yet, lol. WHen it finally does come out, I can just imagine what new vaporware will be the new topic of discussion.

 

Since when did this become a conspiracy theorist forum??? That's a nice thought, but I've worked in both the electronics field and biomedical science, and if we could design products that never broke or discovered a cure for one disease let alone all diseases we would have. Having a great product or a cure for a disease is also profitable...

 

I agree... I wish these companies that were in it "just for profit" would do something about cattle plague or small pox. Why do they keep stringing us along?

 

OK... but what if there's some new critical feature that you *need* due with the next update? Like RAID support. Or optimus (this is referring mostly to the P150EM). Or more usb3 ports. What if you're not holding off for a marginal performance increase, but a specific new feature? Because with 90% of the people who have been waiting for these for more than 3 months, I doubt a % performance increase is what they want.

 

On a 17" laptop or any large laptop, sorry but doubtful optimus is a feature ur looking for. As for more USB ports, your aware that the xpress slot on the P180hm is available and you can add 2-3 more USB 3.0 slots without issue. RAID? Its already supported. What specific MAJOR new features do you think is going to be available that already isnt now?

 

Optimus.

Edit: 6-core processors as well.

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Optimus os a large 17" laptop is nearly worthless........6 core processor also is not necessarily going to mean an improvement either.......app dependant.........and regardless.........the wait is for what exactly? Mild performance gains while you sit and wait and chat up all the hypotehtical gains. Considering a laptop could be bought now, and the CPU can easily be upgraded to a 6 core if the need ever arises.......

 

There's one real benefit of having a P270WM over a P180M or M18x - better screen choices. In the 17" category there are high gamut matte panels as well as 120Hz Matte ones. If I couldn't tear apart the glass cover on my M18x and thus greatly reduce reflections, would probably ditch the machine many months ago and go for a 17" beast. Still looking around for an absolute system combining the OC'able CPU, top GPU, RGBLED Matte screen (preferably 120hz), decent battery life and outstanding build quality.... dreams..

 

Maybe in 5 years.

 

Nah, sooner than that, way sooner. Dell precision M4600 + Mxm 3.0b = would be very close Or HP Elitebook 8560w.

 

Are you saying that these features are useless for everyone, or just for yourself?

I'm just wondering because you seem to throw away every argument for the new series...

 

All diseases are curable if you know what to do. THe BAD part about it is that i costs no money to really cure chronic disesases and all sorts of diseases for that matter.
Thats why you probably didnt hear about it yet.

I tell you that me beeing a doctor.
But thtats just off topic.

On topic. I sure hope one could use the future octo core 20 mb cache cpus in p270wm. That is something that is going to exists not so soon in the mobile cpu line.
Here will be the great advantage of the p270wm.

 

I can without question understand this opinion. Though, the gamut ratings IMO are a bit overrated.....the P180hm's screen calibrates well actually. The colors can be calibrated to the point where a typical user will have a hard time being able to tell actual differences in color tones even if you had the option to have the different screen choices side by side.

As for the gloss screen. Yep, I agree that the "reflections" for some can be annoying. I for one actually prefer a gloss screen though since it does help the "punch" factor in the display, and the gloss screens always seem to have better ANSI contrast.......not sure if it has to do with the gloss film or not, but they always seem have better vibrancy. As for the 120hz option, I agree this would be a nice option, especially if you had a video card system thats capable of punching out 120 fps vsync'd for games........just don't know of many video cards capable of doing this, especially for games at native resolution currently.

 

What Im saying is that optimus and the newer 6 core processors will in reality have minimal performace aspect increases over whats available now MOST LIKELY, and without question I can say that many apps wont see any noticeable differences at all when run. And if there are some advantages(this is pointed towards more the 6 core cpu's and not optimus)its something that can be upgraded on current machines. The P180HM will be able to have the new CPU's installed on them.

 

A lot of people are saying Optimus could potentially double battery life. For me, I've got an NP8690 and I never got much more than an hour and a half out of the battery even with the screen dimmed and in power saver mode. I'm looking to upgrade to a P170EM. If I can even get 3 hours out of it I'll be happy. Marginal performance gains from both the CPU and GPU, better battery life, and probably cheaper? Since it's just around the corner, it doesn't make sense NOT to wait. It's not like we all need laptops really badly and have to wait another 6 months.

The way I look at it, if I buy now at the end of cycle, that's theoretically almost a year sooner that I have to buy my next laptop. Why not stick with what I have for a couple more weeks and get the new stuff early on in its lifecycle?

 

I have my M18x screen free from glossy cover and can tell you that there's no loss of contrast or "punch" factor. It's anti-glare but not matte and as such only lacks gamut, IMHO. After owning 2 last generations of 17" Elitebooks (both had 30-bit matte RGBLED IPS panels with 150% sRGB and 100% Adobe RGB coverage) I can tell, there's a big difference. Also, both our home tv and my wife's laptop (W520) have high gamut panels and trust me, I can see the difference, big difference. No matter how you calibrate your screen, you can't get the depth of color. BTW, when you have a high gamut panel properly calibrated, it simply rocks. Every picture looks like it's from a magazine cover. I used to just sit and look at my HP 8760w's wallpaper astonished, forgetting what I was going to do. Or fire up Crysis or King's Bounty just to look at the colors. It does matter even for a rookie or newbie. When it comes to displays, I put gamut as one of the most important aspects, provided the screen has good specs (brightness, contrast, blacks, whites, etc), followed by anti-glare treatment.

 

Unless you have an ANSI checkerboard pattern up with the correct instrument to measure it, it really is nothing more than opinion. And even then black and white levels need to be set correctly where blacks are not crushed and whites are blooming. Ive done a number of laptops(m18x,17x, 180HM, 170, 3-4 Vaois, a couple Lenovo models) some with the high rated gamut screen, some without, and in terms of color accuracy, they are all pretty close. To the point where you can't notice any appreciable difference unless you have them side by side. And none of them calibrate well compared to a good home display(like an AE4000 or 7000, or RS25 or equivalent). One thing though was noticeable, and thats the laptops with the gloss screens did have slightly better ANSI vs. the matte screens. Either way, none of the built in screens are what I consider "reference" level in terms of color, contrast, gamma curve or any other critical picture aspect or anything even remotely close. LCD's suck period. Its an old and highly flawed technology, which is why I would never recommend upgrading to a higher gamut screen, unless the stock screen available was just utterly horrible on its own. Machines like the m18x, 180,170 etc dont have horrible stock screens, they more than hold their own set up correctly. It would take a serious app specific need to recommend otherwise.

 

Well, like I said, I do have 2 high gamut matte panels at home and it is very noticeable... to me at least. As for the "reference" level, I regard the 30-bit IPS RGBLED (lg) screens to be the current top in the laptop realm. I may change my opinion when Apple refreshes their MBP line with high res retina displays.
I agree with you that the stock M18x and P180 screens are fine, maybe more than fine...but not nearly as good as I'm used to. BTW, I used to own a M17xR2 with RGBLED (one of the best TN high gamut panels of its time) but it was still sub par to the HP 8740w.

 

Oh damn, you beat me to it! HP Elitebook is without a doubt going to include it very soon indeed!!

 

bah, the "retina" display is still old LCD technology, with basically a slightly higher pixel count than 1080p. DOnt get me wrong, it does look really good, but its time to delve into technologies far more advanced with fewer drawbacks in the 4k pixel resolution range..........


......and to add, I still get a kick out of "High definition" 720p/1080p displays...........its really no real improvement over the old 240-480p crt displays from the 80's............why? People seem to forget that back in the 80's a typical average screen size in home was about 20-25" 4:3 sets with resolutions ranging from 240-480 lines. Now today, typical tv sets in 16:9 format in homes range from 40-60" and many people now emply pjs with much larger displays in the 100" range or greater.........so per square inch the actual pixel density really hasnt changed or improved much from the 80's in reality........

 

Haha, like they say in futurama "Computers may be 2x as fast as they were in 1979....". Yes, I totally agree, it's really a high time for a better screen tech, though personally, I'm waiting for holographics or screenless pcs. And their 1080p is a joke, I'd rather go back to 1200p panels.

 

if the come out with 4k displays, i want them to be able to make it so it can run at a quarter of the resolution for gaming purposes, by having each four physical pixels act as one pixel.

 

I was talking about the P150EM. But those are all just examples, my point is, what if there's a critical feature?

How is it a bad thing if you can cure chronic diseases for free?

Only marginal gains? You're skipping a whole generation here (I think).

? Why are you trying to tell him that gamut barley makes a visible difference when he has the different screens right there in front of him and he says the difference is huge?

Seconded.

 

The "marginal gains" comment was what ntrain96 claimed is the difference between the current tech and IB and new GPU's that are coming out. It was not my claim. The whole thing was in reference to buying now or waiting for the new stuff, and I say it's worth waiting for the new stuff since it's right around the corner. He apparently thinks it's not worth the wait.

 

Anyone else know if the p270WM *is* the model which will be running QUAD GPUs in SLI?

 

There is no such model, that was a 1st of April joke, hehe. Such system doesn't and won't exist.

Quad GPU would require ~400W, which means together with a single 6-core CPU (locked at stock frequencies) the system would require 650-700W PSU. The battery would probably explode if you were to unplug the beast from the wall.

 

Here I am perpetuating the joke! And I fell for it.

In any case, while it will bother some, that kind of PSU doesn't bother me for my needs. A "true" [DTR] in a laptop chassis is what I want. Oh well, who knows, by next year, something like this may be on its way. As you often post... :dreams.

 

but NP8690 isn't current tech...

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