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    Does XoticPC.com offer any discount(exclude student/military) other than 3% listed?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by kenzhj77, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. kenzhj77

    kenzhj77 Notebook Guru

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    Gateway, dell, alienware they all offer around 10% discount when you call in, just wondering if XoticPC will do the same.
     
  2. Nirvana

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    No. -----------
     
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    Sager and their resellers don't charge a rediculous premium like Alienware and Dell therefore cannot give out discounts like that.
     
  5. Nirvana

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    ^^LOL I have been trying to convince everyone I know to get laptops from xoticPC and powernotebook. Not being a fanboy, but try to make laptop world more practical.
     
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    You are all correct. The only reason the Multi National Brands can give those kinds of discounts is their prices are so inflated in the first place (ahem...kind of like the PCMW discounted sales from their horribly inflated regular pricing).

    There is no way Sager or any of their resellers can offer discounts that are greater than the margins they make on each laptop. Instead of inflating their prices so they can offer huge discounts, they offer fair everyday pricing.

    It is only certain buyers that cannot tell the difference between a good value as it is offered, and a phony discount.
     
  7. Daweism

    Daweism Notebook Consultant

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    Hey it worked on me. He brought me over from the Alien side.
     
  8. Prasad

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    Too damn true! I was comparing a Sager NP5793 from XoticPC with a Dell XPS M1730 from... well, Dell ! And I configured it about the same but the XPS with 8800M GTX SLi... then I reduced like $700 from the price to account for that card. And there was still more than a $1000 gap between the two systems, the XPS being more pricey ofcourse! And then they were those *phenomenal* discounts like $400 off which drive all those Dell lunatics horny!

    Goodie! Now take your Clevo and kick some Alien butt ! (in Crysis I mean :D).
     
  9. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Quiz time:

    Imagine a reseller were to say to you: "Well, we just raised our prices by 10% last week but, since you're such a nice person, I'll give you a 10% discount off our current prices."

    Good deal, or not?
     
  10. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

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    Amazing deal. Might work...
     
  11. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    But, would you take it, and who comes out ahead?
     
  12. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

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    That depends on whether I'm knowledgeable or not (or if I go buying random stuff without knowing anything about them).
    Psychologically speaking it's a good marketing strategy.
     
  13. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Not sure if we're discussing the same thing: If prices were increased by 10% last week, and you're offered a 10% discount on current prices this week, would you have been better off buying last week, or this week?
     
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    Last week before or after the 10% price increase?
     
  15. Doodles

    Doodles Starving Student

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    If you buy AFTER it was jacked up 10% and then down 10% you're actually getting a BETTER deal. Cuz your getting 10% off the new price which is 110% of the original. So you're actually taking off 10% off the extra 10% you added. So your actually getting 1% off the original PRICE!!!

    EXAMPLE: 100$ computer -> is now 110 dollars (up 10%), you take off 10% its 11$ off (10% of 110 is 11) so the new price is now 99$!!!
     
  16. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Before the 10% increase, of course. :D
     
  17. Deodot

    Deodot Notebook Consultant

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    And now for the 1.000.000$ question..

    You're presented with 3 boxes. Behind one of them is a brand new M860TU. You pick the first of the boxes but the gameshow host doesn't open it. Instead he opens up the third box and that one is empty. Now you get choose; Do you want to stick with the box you first choose or do you want to take the second one..??

    a) Do you change if you know that the gameshow host knows where the M860TU really is?

    b) Do you change if you know that the gameshow host doesn't know where the M860TU really is and just were lucky to choose a empty box?

    ..and for a final brain teaser.

    You're compeeting against Sara. You both get to choose one of the three boxes. After that the allknowing gameshow host are suppose to open up your or Sara's box. He choose Sara's box which is empty. After that he ask you if you want to change?

    What would be the best to do now..??
     
  18. MKang25

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    You have to account for Variable change!!!!!
     
  19. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    In the first case, according to some recent mathematics work I recall reading a few weeks ago, you should change the box you picked to the other remaining unopened box because, in effect, you now have a 2/3 chance of picking the box with the M860TU under it, whereas with your original box, you only have a 1/3 chance of picking the M860TU.

    I believe that the same rule should still apply in the second scenario, because you're not really competing against Sarah, but against random chance.
     
  20. auburncoast

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    haha i just watched "21" and I had no idea how it would make the odds 66% on the other choice. crazy mathematicians.
     
  21. Doodles

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    you have a 3-gallon barrel and a 5-gallon barrel... get 4 gallons in the 5 gallon barrel using only the the 3 and 5 gallon barrels... :D Die hard!
     
  22. Deodot

    Deodot Notebook Consultant

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    Great answer on the a) question. But what for b) If the gameshow host doesn't know where the M860TU was..?

    No not really. Remember Saras box was empty.. What are the chanches that both your and Saras box is empty...


    Now i'm going to a hat party :) :)
     
  23. Deodot

    Deodot Notebook Consultant

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    Well i'm not sure was 21 is about but if you think of it as 100 boxes then it gets a little bit easier..

    You have 100 boxes. You choose one and then someone (who knows where the thing is) open up 98 boxes leaving only two. The one that you choosed and a second one.. Wouldn't you want to make a change then :)


    (BTW I don't think Xoticpc have more discounts -just staying on topic so all of my posts dont get deleted :))
     
  24. sirmetman

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    btw, student discounts have more purpose than just being a one time sale. The idea is to get people in, then build brand loyalty. That way, even if you lose a little on the first sale, you end up ahead in the long run. But yeah, xoticpc has no discounts.
     
  25. Shyster1

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    Not, strictly speaking, true. Many of the Sager resellers, like xoticpc and powernotebooks, offer a discount for paying with cash (or cash equivalent) instead of by credit card. The discount is, generally, 3% - which represents the processing fee the reseller would have had to pay to the credit card company in order to process the charge on the credit card.
     
  26. Doodles

    Doodles Starving Student

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    wat IS the student discount that xoticpc has... they have one rite?
     
  27. Nirvana

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    ^^50% off shipping fee.
     
  28. Doodles

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    uhhh... thats... nice.. i guess... yea they need better deals... or at least get on the pcmw train and give fake deals that mess with peoples head. And yes, im sure xoticpc is above minipulating customers, but... business is business.
     
  29. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Of course business is business, the question is whether you deal with other people honorably or dishonorably. Being a small business is itself a very honorable "profession" - it is largely what the success of the US is built on (and no, I don't have to go faking Ayn Rand quotations from Atlas Shrugged to get to that position).
     
  30. Shyster1

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    1) Fill the 3-gal barrel to the top, and empty it into the 5-gal barrel;

    2) Fill the 3-gal barrel to the top again, and pour just enough water from the 3-gal into the 5-gal to just fill the 5-gal barrel - you now know that you have only 1 gallon left in the 3-gal barrel;

    3) Dump out the contents of the 5-gal barrel and then pour the 1 gallon of water you have left in the 3-gal barrel into the now-empty 5-gal barrel;

    4) Refill the 3-gal barrel to the top, and empty it all into the 5-gal barrel.

    You now have 1 gallon plus 3 gallons, or 4 gallons, in the 5-gal barrel. :D
     
  31. Deathwinger

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    This answer actually makes sense. some people were coming with steps where they were telling you to get precisely 2 gallons in the 3 gallon barrel. How the hell are you suppose to know that if you aren't using any measurements? :rolleyes:
     
  32. Doodles

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    it was done in Die Hard with a Vengeance
     
  33. Lithus

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    It was done loooonnnggg before that.
     
  34. theriko

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    The other way is to half fill each barrel (by filling them more than half then tipping them till the water fills diagonally corner to corner) then tip the half 3 gal (1.5gal) into the half 5 gal (2.5gal) then you have 1.5+2.5=4gal (with less wastage than the other method)
     
  35. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That is a much more elegant solution; my hat's off to you! :D :D
     
  36. Donald@Paladin44

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    Elegant agreed, but not as precise.
     
  37. Doodles

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    yea... you can't be exact at all with that method.. the way barrels and jugs are shaped...
     
  38. Shyster1

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    Perhaps, but mathematically it's a much more elegant solution, in part because it's more efficient in terms of both amount of water used and number of different actions/motions required.
     
  39. Dreidel

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    the buyer comes out ahead
     
  40. eleron911

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    Well, I should be getting my Dell today so that`d give me time to see what is what and how is what.
    Simpsons did it.
    Indeed,what if you have Parkinson?
    Not efficient,might just cut it, but the method with fill 3g,drop in 5g,fill 3g again,fill 5gwith it,throw 5g,drop the 3g in 5g,add full 3g method is the most accurate.
    Again,not good if you have Parkinson.