I just made an account here to throw my 2 cents into this mess. I've got two machines and 3 panels down. One is an Alienware 17r1, the other though is a Dell precision m4700. Both had fresh Windows 10 installs and after getting everything setup just right, I committed the sin of installing EVGA precision. Here's the issue though, I've reflashed the screen on the precision, and it worked. I was ecstatic, but it died again after one restart, and when it died the second time the edid file literally disappeared, like same bus and location as before, but no file to be found anymore and no way to write a new one. I had already uninstalled EVGA px before connecting the screen back to the machine, but that apparently didn't matter as it was the same Windows 10 install and same Nvidia drivers.
I was able to connect my Alienware 17's screen to the precision and flash it, getting around the no post issue with a dead LCD on the Alienware. But now I'm afraid to do anything more. I've read reports that even reverting back to Windows 7 with a fresh install on a different ssd and never touching EVGA precision or msi afterburner can still eventually kill the LCD. Is this still believed to be the case? Or am I safe with a fresh install of windows 7 and avoiding EVGA precision etc?
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This is a model with switchable graphics cards, so make sure to set it to 'PEG' in the bios. If it's on Intel HD then i2cdump won't be able to access the panel(s), so neither iGFX nor Optimus will work (Optimus also has display output routed via HD, even if the dGPU is active).
That's also a way to prevent future edid corruption, btw; it's only 'PEG' that is a risk. A bit of a bummer, of course.Quark likes this. -
thanks t456, forgot to ask him (and check) if there was any peg...
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Hello. I have an Alienware 17 r1. I have 8 beeps and a black screen. With fn + power on, I can sometimes start a laptop via HDMI. Installed Unlocked bios in order to see the PEG. By default, this Bios shows SG.
I launched a Linux image. sudo i2cdump finds only my projector Nec, which is connected via HDMI. Why I don’t see a damaged lcd panel (LP173WF1-TLB3)? Help me please.
How can I do everything right? Thanks.Last edited: Mar 20, 2019 -
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Curious if any kind soul could perhaps help me here. I was able to purchase a used Alienware 17 (2015) for 60$ ! lol. From a guy who had inherited it from a friend and didn't really know what it was/it was missing a handful of components etc. Anyways, long story short, have the dreaded dead lcd panel. I was super thankful to find this thread and the information within it. When I run the commands though I end up with a shortened list of my bus info without any panel of whatnot in it. Would this suggest perhaps the lcd cable itself is damaged or unseated? I have no idea of the history of this laptop so I can only guess if the panel is bricked. But does the info not showing up on my scan suggest perhaps just the lcd cable? Any info or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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LCD cable sounds like a good place to start. Are you getting the 8 beeps?Papusan likes this. -
Thanks so much for your reply Mr. Fox
I do in fact get the 8 beeps, but only if I connect via hdmi to an external display. I have learned to get over that by pressing my power button for 10 seconds, which usually allows me to boot to windows 10 (I installed this myself). If I boot without an external display it gives no beeps, but just black screen/dead panel. But my alienfx lights do there thing still. I can produce a white flashing lcd panel if I disconnect hdmi while in windows. Bios diagnostics test tells me "LCD EDID - unable to access EDID EEPROM" . I have the 120hz 3d panel. Sadly though, i just updated the bios and it now does not detect my 180w AC charger for some reason and I have essentially no battery :/ i'll keep on trying, but damn.Mr. Fox likes this. -
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Try reading the EDID from the laptop display with this tool in the link below, then post the code here along with the panel model/part # info from that tool. Brother @t456 is a wizard at this. He can spot if the EDID is corrupted by examining the code. If it is, the next step will be to fix it. If you cannot write to it because it is not detected, the options would be to replace it (which can be done inexpensively) or use an SPI programmer. If the EDID is not corrupted, it could be just the LCD cable is bad.
https://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtmLast edited: May 15, 2019 -
hmm, the output from that tool shows only my external display (an LG tv which is connected). Does that indicate it likely simply is a cable? since I couldn't even see and EDID info with the linux environment or the supplied application. Perhaps I should take it apart again and check the other end of the cable. Or perhaps see if I can find a lcd screen just to test. I'm afraid of buying a new one and it not being the issue :/ lol
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This place is pretty good for Dell/Alienware parts, so you might see what they have in stock for your system. https://www.parts-people.com/brandon.b likes this. -
Thanks again Mr. Fox, I really appreciate you bouncing a few ideas around for me. I'll go ahead and tear it down again today. I'll report back any findings here just for future people like me who come reading. I'll go ahead and sub to your youtube channel to. Least I can do!
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Hello guys (and girls),
i'll try to make it short. I have a friend who brought me his M17-R4 with a dead screen and 8 beeps. I quickly found these threads about Win 10 / EDID / EVGA Precision and other Dell threads with hardware failures (lcd, cable, gpu, etc.). External display did not work as well (although I did not know that I had to press any key combination). Trying to re-plug the lcd cable or to stick it into the other port didn't really help aswell and since he didn't need it anymore we soon decided to sell it instead of trying to replace part by part.
Yesterday, before mounting it all together (ripped out keyboard, ssds, battery and so on...) I just removed the CMOS battery for some seconds and while doing that I read anywhere, that I should press the FN key without release through startup (I think it was for getting into some service menu? no clue...) Well, I tried that and forgot to insert the CMOS battery before, which it quitted with five beeps. After that, I inserted the battery and tried again with the FN key during startup - again five (or six ?!) beeps and - of course - black screen with backlight on.
But after rebooting again without pressing the FN key now, the display magically turned on and told me, that the PSU is too weak (180W), which is true. But I was able to get into BIOS again.
I assumed this was just coincidence and whilst the notebook was running I tried to manipulate the display cable, knocked on the backside of the still fully mounted display unit and moved the display to make sure, this was not a mechanical issue (I guess, a possible cold start bug is not an issue on this modern machines anymore, is it?).
Sooo, what have I done and why has this worked and what has my friend done (he upgraded to Win 10 months ago and can't remember having EVGA Precision) and finally what have I to do now that this won't happen again?
Or just sell this crap as long as it works and replace it by an MSI GT series or XMG which have worked fine for me for soo many years now? Sorry, but according to this thread, this behaviour from the manufacturers seems to be a joke... -
well, just an update on my situation ( I like to think I can help future people just like me who wind up here reading this). I went ahead and replaced my lcd cable that appeared visibly damaged. No such luck. Still leaves me in the exact same position as before. I cannot read any EDID info using the supplied tools, and I have 8 beeps at startup, and a white flashing display when I disconnect my hdmi. I want to proceed with the panel replacement, but before I make a costly repair. Is there anything i'm potentially missing?
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Hey everyone, I had this issue back in 2016. I ended up getting a new screen and reinstalling windows 7 and all has been fine. My question now though is, is it safe to install just Windows 10 yet? With MS discontinuing windows 7 and for a couple other reason I really want to upgrade to 10. Obviously I will never let the precisionX software touch my system. Seeing as mine was fine on 10 until the day I installed PrecisionX, I'm guess I should be fine but just haven't been willing to risk it yet.
My system is the 17 R1 I believe. Nvidia 880M, i7-4710, 16gb RAM.
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Win10 is fine, just do it!
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If not already on the list of affected panels, I recently fixed a bad checksum EDID on a "LP156WF6 (SP) (B1)" panel from a Metabox/Clevo P650RS-G, interesteingly it's a 2014 panel in a 2017 laptop.
The panel would display during boot but not work with intel integraded GPU.Last edited: Aug 27, 2019Mr. Fox likes this. -
Thanks for sharing. And yes, Clevo sometimes uses old batches in new models. It'd be one of the offered panels and probably the stock option; a tad middle-of-the-road.
Can you upload or copy/paste both edids? It wasn't on the list yet and I might not have that particular WF6 model. Do have two ' LGD046F' edids, but can't narrow these down beyond ' LP156WF6-SPxx'.Mr. Fox likes this. -
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Ok
, it was one of the LGD046F's. Updated archive and list:
archive correct edids, v13.7z
Code:pnp id notes interf panel nr. edid eeprom ------- ----- ------ ------------- ------------------- APP9CC3 ! LVDS LP133WX3-TLA3 AUO10ED ! LVDS B156HW01 V0 AUO11ED LVDS B156HW01 V1 AUO12ED eDP B156HAN01.2 AUO149D ! LVDS B173HW01 V4 AUO149E ! LVDS B173RW01 V4 AUO159D LVDS B173HW01 V5 AUO219D ! LVDS B173HW02 V1 CMO1719 LVDS N173O6-L02 CMO1720 ! LVDS N173HGE-L11 CMO1726 ! LVDS N173HGE-L21 HWP3122 M LVDS LM240WU8-SLA* or LTM240CL01 LGD01CA LVDS LP173WD1-TLA1 LGD0226 LVDS LP173WD1-TLC2 LGD0285 LVDS LP173WF1-TLC1 LGD0289 LVDS LP173WD1-TLA3 LGD02C5 X eDP LP173WF2-TPA1 LGD02DA ! LVDS LP173WF1-TLB3 LGD02FC C LVDS LP173WF3-SLB2 LGD0343 LVDS LP173WF1-TLB5 LGD037E ! LVDS LP156WF4-SLB5 LGD0391 LVDS LP173WD1-TLE1 LGD03FB LVDS LP173WF1-TL** LGD0469 E eDP LP173WF4-SPF1 LGD046C E eDP LP173WF4-SPD1 LGD046F ! eDP LP156WF6-SPB1 MEI96A2 eDP VVX16T020G00 SDC3654 LVDS LTN173KT03-W01 SDC4852 eDP LTN156FL02-L01 SDC4C48 ! LVDS LTM184HL01-C01 SEC314A LVDS LTN184HT03-001 SEC4A4B LVDS LTN184KT01-J01 SEC5044 !?AWX eDP LTN173HT01-301 Winbond 25X20BLNIG SEC5044 !?AWX eDP LTN173HT02-D** Winbond 25X20BLNIG SEC5044 !AX eDP LTN173HT02-D02 "" ? SEC5044 AX eDP LTN173HT02-P01 "" ? SEC5044 AX eDP LTN173HT02-T01 "" ? SEC5443 LVDS LTN170CT08-D01 SEC5448 ! LVDS LTN184HT02-S01 SEC544B B LVDS LTN173KT01-*** SEC544B BD LVDS LTN140KT**-*** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ! = known bricked panels !? = bricked, but unknown which one * = unknown part id A = highly suspect: multiple variants exist, perhaps the others are safe ... B = multiple variants, flash the correct one! C = EliteBook 8**0w DreamColor, 10-bit, for fun ^^ D = 14.0" version for M14x, just in case E = G-Sync approved panel, only with the 'right' edids (75 Hz) M = desktop monitor (HP EliteDisplay E241i) W = write-protect possible X = 256-byte edid; use write-edid-256.sh instead of write-edid.sh If multiple edids exist for one PnP id; flash the most recent edid, unless indicated otherwise. For all LVDS panels; write-protect is possible using an edid-bypass mod (tinyurl.com/hwcusx6), after doing so no further bricks can occur, regardless of Windows 10, EVGA or any other software. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you happen to have saved the corrupt edid as well? It claims to be an eDP model whereas most known bricks were LVDS, so it's quite a rarity.Mr. Fox likes this. -
bin attached also
Extracted contents:
header: 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00
serial number: 30 e4 6f 04 00 00 00 00 10 18
version: 01 04
basic params: 95 22 13 78 ea
chroma info: dc 95 a3 58 55 a0 26 0d 50 54
established: 00 00 00
standard: 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
descriptor 1: 2e 36 80 a0 70 38 1f 40 30 20 35 00 58 c2 10 00 00 1a
descriptor 2: 52 2b 80 a0 70 38 1f 40 30 20 35 00 58 c2 10 00 00 1a
descriptor 3: 00 00 00 fe 00 33 38 37 34 59 80 31 35 36 57 46 36 0a
descriptor 4: 00 00 00 00 00 00 41 31 9e 00 10 00 00 0a 01 0a 20 20
extensions: 00
checksum: 92
Manufacturer: LGD Model 46f Serial Number 0
Made week 16 of 2014
EDID version: 1.4
Digital display
6 bits per primary color channel
DisplayPort interface
Maximum image size: 34 cm x 19 cm
Gamma: 2.20
DPMS levels: Standby Suspend Off
Supported color formats: RGB 4:4:4, YCrCb 4:4:4
First detailed timing is preferred timing
Established timings supported:
Standard timings supported:
Detailed mode: Clock 138.700 MHz, 344 mm x 194 mm
1920 1968 2000 2080 hborder 0
1080 1083 1088 1111 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
Detailed mode: Clock 110.900 MHz, 344 mm x 194 mm
1920 1968 2000 2080 hborder 0
1080 1083 1088 1111 vborder 0
+hsync -vsync
ASCII string: 3874Y
Manufacturer-specified data, tag 0
Checksum: 0x92 (should be 0x82)
EDID block does NOT conform to EDID 1.3!
Missing name descriptor
Missing monitor ranges
Detailed block string not properly terminated
EDID block does not conform at all!
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Thank you !!!!
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Thank you kindly. I have already downloaded the linux distro given in the thread, I've already picked up the EEPROM flasher (still waiting for the 1.8V adapter to work with my P4000M), but in my glee end extasy I forgot to order the ribbon clamp. So a few more days unless my father finds his old clamp he used years back for CCTV stuff.
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Will do. Standard procedure, never skipping that step since I've bricked my M6100 and couldn't roll back
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Sure thing. Thought as much - finding the issue, however long it might have been since the first outing
Will gladly contribute to the idea.
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Ok, almost ready to proceed with everything, just a question on the method - which chip is the EDID in M18X? Panel model is LTN184T05-T01, wondering if I have to heatgun the bezel off, r just access it from beyond the plastic film covering it, or can I mangle an old LVDS cable and use that as an access cable? If the last one, which wires to which nodes?
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Look for small 8-pin chips (TSSOP8). This is from a different model, but they all look similar:
With that panel there's two eeproms; the U11 and the U12. Usually it's just the single chip, but with two it's best to program both since each contains an edid copy and, being daisy-chained, the system can see both and you can't know which one is read first.
The round ' SCL'/clock, ' SDA'/data, ' GND2'/ground and ' WP'/write-protect pads above the U12 are a nice giveaway too; these were used to contact-program the blank eeprom at the factory and are usually pretty close to the eeprom(s). You can also use these to solder wires that hook to your programmer and flash them without needing to desolder.
Mind what you're getting into; the edid is only a small part of the firmware and is merely an information sheet for the platform that will be driving the panel. Most of the data is functional code though and can be corrupted merely by reading them out with incorrect, eeprom-specific parameters set by the programmer. With bioses and vbioses that's of little concern since you might fetch a pristine copy from elsewhere, but hardly anyone reads out full panel firmwares, so backup copies are very hard to find.
Modding an LVDS cable might indeed prove more feasible than soldering wires or desoldering the eeprom(s). Pins 1 + 4 through 7 can be used for that:
The corruption risks are still the same; run-of-the-mill, consumer-type programmers cannot be expected to have settings for such obscure chips included in their embedded database. That means detectiving and/or gambling to set it to closely-matching parameters and hope for the best.
Since the M18X has been proven to work with the linux software tools that'd be a much safer choice and guaranteed success. That is, provided the white-screen issue really is due to edid corruption and not something mechanical, like a broken wire in the lcd cable or some-such.
The hot-swap method invented by @Mr. Fox has worked perfectly for a good many users. Only thing is that you'd need a compatible, working panel in order to get the system to boot to linux (then change in the bricked panel and flash it).
Can't find an exact specification sheet, but it appears to be a 40-pin wled. You could do a pin count and measure the connector's full width in mm; divide that by the pin count and you'll also have the pin pitch. There's scores of 40-pin LVDS panels in the 17.3" department and these'll work just as well on an 18.4" system. This $19 N173O6-L02 appears quite promising and you could also check other laptops you may have access to and borrow a panel from there. -
The thing is I have only one 18 inch and a bunch of 17 and 15 inch screens, coming from Ranger, M15XR2, two from M17XR2 and two (including one 3D) from M17XR3/4. I tried one, don't remember exactly which one, but got 8 beeps only. Any of these could work? I was thinking about a hotswap at some point, but was a bit sceptical about the risks.
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Good day to everyone! Glad this topic isn't closed.
I try to revert to stock because my notebook with Nvidia GPU shows broken screen in 3D application after a sleep or a monitor off power saving option when monitor is set to high Hz modes (EDID's 88 and 100 Hz of reduced and 96Hz mode created by Nvidia Control Panel). I don't recall this happening with AMD GPU.
Code:mint edid-rw # cd /home/mint/EDID/write-edid mint write-edid # sudo bash ./write-edid.sh 1 EDID.bin Writing byte 0x00 to bus 1, chip-adress 0x50, data-adress 0x00 Writing done, here is the output of i2cdump -y 1 0x50: No size specified (using byte-data access) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f 0123456789abcdef 00: 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 0d af 20 17 00 00 00 00 ........?? ?.... 10: 01 15 01 04 90 26 15 78 1a d8 95 a3 55 4d 9d 27 ?????&?x????UM?' 20: 0f 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ?PT...?????????? 30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 2e 36 80 a0 70 38 1f 40 30 20 ??????.6??p8?@0 40: 35 00 e0 0e 11 00 00 18 55 41 80 a0 70 38 25 40 5.???..?UA??p8%@ 50: 30 20 35 00 e0 0e 11 00 00 18 cb 4b 80 58 70 38 0 5.???..??K?Xp8 60: 12 40 18 20 35 00 e0 0e 11 00 00 1e 20 56 80 58 ?@? 5.???..? V?X 70: 70 38 12 40 18 20 35 00 e0 0e 11 00 00 1e 00 98 p8?@? 5.???..?.?
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If it is indeed in dGPU already then one thing you could do is set the script's delay a bit higher than the current '0.1s':
Code:count=$((count+1)) # sleep a moment sleep 0.1s done done
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Hello all, this will be my first post. I am as frustrated as everyone else with this.
Dell Alienware MX-17 R4 3D
Black screen and 8 beeps... I've tried all solutions offered on this site and many others, to no avail.
Quick question.... Can I just buy an identical lcd panel, hook it all back up and then boot into safe mode or straight into the bios, thereby, not loading the precision x etc.... Then edit the system to use basic graphics until I remove the corrupt files? Or would it just corrupt the new screen as well regardless, on boot?
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Awesome, thank you. I was going to pick up this one ( https://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Dell-Al...-V-M-LCD-Screen-DP-N-DHCG2-GN36T/273644412867). What do you think? It has all of the correct inputs aside from one. The one with the small circuit board attached to it (picture link below) that plugs into the motherboard. Does this just unplug from the back of the old lcd and plug into the new one? https://gofile.io/d/4E7W74
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After tracing the unknown cable back underneath the LCD lid... I found the real issue!! Wow, didn't expect this.... https://gofile.io/d/unqvKe
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I will have to add that image to my Alienware Fire Hazards photo album.Papusan likes this. -
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Thank you for the reply.
I ordered that screen anyway. This was on the LCD panel itself and it looks like one of the diodes popped, so maybe it is a one off (for a while lol). The rest of the system seems to be functioning normally, it just can't find the LCD. so, hopefully a replacement screen will do the trick. Or do you think this is a systemic issue that will return?
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Hi I've got a question. I own a clevo p650hp6-g with a LP156WF6SPBQ (LG D046F) LCD screen attached to it. After a Windows update, I got a black screen when using mshybrid, or my screen freezes after logging in / or at the login screen when I update the Nvidia graphics in discrete mode. Using-DiscreteMode and older nvidia drivers (388.75), the screen actually works... But some games fail to load as they need the newer drivers..
Upon inspecting the devices in device manager in Windows 10, it seems that I get a generic non-pnp monitor, instead of the laptop screen model (or generic PNP).
Upon inspecting the EDID with monitor asset manager, it seems the EDID got corrupted. I'm now trying to flash the correct EDID using the usb lubuntu tool, but it doesn't seem to detect my smbus when I probe it.
It says:
Do you want to probe the I2C/SMBUS adaptors now (YES/no): y
Found unknown SMBus adapter 8086:a123 at 0000:00:1f.4.
Sorry, no supported PCI Bus adapters were found
Anyone know how to fix this?Last edited: Jul 5, 2020tehwatever likes this.
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