Enduro

Has it been confirmed whether or not the P150em will support enduro?

 

Some people from Australia supposedly confirmed it. The word on the street is that they are reliable.

This thread talked about.

 

Did you really have to quadruple post 4 threads? It hasn't been confirmed 100% reliably until perhaps resellers get their hands on the AMD cards (the earliest would be tomorrow).

 

I don't think it was his fault. It seems like the forum is having a few glitches right now.

Read this.

 

both the p150 and p170 are beasts... you don't expect to have a pet tiger and feed it hamster feeds.
as far as what i'm getting from reading articles regarding enduro, it can reduce power consumption if you don't really use all the GPU capabilities.
if you're going to use it to the max like what i'm going to (games high settings or even ultra), enduro would have little effect on battery life, plus you don't want to game w/o your psu on.
correct me if i'm wrong.

 

Enduro really has nothing to do with gaming since you are always plugged in while gaming. It has everything to do with extending battery life while you are unplugged (and not gaming). It's a feature that is attractive to people who want a very capable gaming computer with a battery life that lasts longer than 2 hours for when they're on the go.

 

LBO is a clevo builder, their word should be enough, yes it has enduro.

 

I'm only going to game when plugged in but I'll be using the laptop for college so I'll need the extra battery life when taking it to classes.

 

ah makes sense, but did you have any expectation on how long the battery will lasts with and w/o enduro compared? i would love to find out myself.
my current 17" laptop i7 720 and amd hd5870 would last only less than 2 hours on battery running only office and few chrome pages, oh and under battery saver mode.

 

I'm not sure about enduro but assuming that it's similar to optimus, I've heard that the battery can last 4-5 hours on the integrated gpu

 

hmmm i was thinking about the 4 hours range max as well, hope you didn't have credit intensive semesters ahead.

 

Apparently Enduro should save more power than Optimus because it completely shuts off the GPU whereas Optimus still uses a bit of power

 

Optimus shuts down the GPU completely too. It's in D3 state, that is the lowest sleep state for a device currently supported in Windows 7, and I don't think AMD can go any deeper.

 

If it went any deeper, it'd be INCEPTION!!!!

 

Quick question: Is this ATI Enduro technology really that new, that it's being introduced with the 7970M? I really hope it lives upto expectations, or atleast upto Optimus standards..

 

It is not really new, Lucid Virtu, Nvidia Optimus and, I suspect, AMD Enduro all work along the same basic principle, they just invent slightly different marketing fables around it.

 

no last year amd had bacon, same damn thing

 

The Enduro technology is a more refined "Hybrid X-Fire" that has been around for a few years now. Just like nVIDIA Optimus it's run like SLI in order to provide a seamless transition. It doesn't acctually "Power Down" the GPUs it puts them in a low power state

Enduro will be available in all of the 7k series from AMD, and it works with both AMD APUs and Intel IGP.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

Any recent word of driver compatibility on Sagers?

 

What about it? It will be supported on the new Clevos so ofcourse there'll be drivers for it.

 

The first review of Enduro is not very encouraging.

 

It seems to be talking more about the implementation in ccc. That would undoubtedly improve as ccc is updated.

 

Yes, we'll see. Anyway, that's one hell of a GPU.

 

Hey guys,

Can anyone explain a little bit to me, how exactly Enduro is controlled? Is it the GPU drivers from Clevo? Will that mean that we'll have to stick to those drivers (which I assume won't be updated very often) as opposed to AMD drivers? Or will AMD later release drivers that support Enduro on Clevo laptops?

Thanks!

 

nah, my bet is on the regular mobility AMD drivers, tbh. and yeah, the review states that the efficiency of Enduro at this point in time is just around 60% (of cases where the driver successfully detects the correct GPU to use for a specific application). also, theres a serious performance drop detectable as long as enduro is enabled, thus they recommend to manually switch it off (reboot required) whenever benching or gaming is about to start

(got any other questions, shoot. i can read the original article in german )

cheers

 

They will translate it, though, right?

So far, I feel like P150EM has the most of the things I want from a laptop but I would just feel uneasy pre-ordering while it's still not clear how well Enduro functions. I'm really tired of short battery lives..

 

Just one correction: successfully detection rate is only around 40%....in 60% of the case the driver chose the iGPU for games and benchmarks. Maybe it will work on our Clevos a little bit better.

 

Either way, it's just a software issue, so it should get better over time. Also, it seems you can add applications manually that you want to be used by the dGPU, so it shouldn't be too big a problem.

 

yup, thats correct@60% FAILURE rate instead of efficiency, remembered it wrong ^^ so yeah, for now its just a hassle to manually have to add applications to the whitelist. aside from that, its just sad to see enduro make such a significant dent into the gpu performance, thus adding the need to manually disable enduro with an obligatory reboot. so for now, it doesnt seem like enduro really changed anything from the previous manual ati/amd gpu switching system

cheers

 

So when you manually manage what GPU to use the effectiveness is same (or better) as Enduro, am I correct? I have read a couple of articles on Enduro and its functionality is still not completely clear to me. If I can already manage manually what GPU to use then the process is already really simple. For a couple of games use the AMD GPU otherwise stick with integrated intel chip. No need for a complicated automatic software solution.

 

I'm just curious cause that article says that they could switch off the gfx using a FN button and then a restart or whatever but that is on an alienware, i'm more curious if you'll be able to do that on the Sager's. Would be bummed if i couldn't turn it off on the np9150 and have this amazing graphics that won't work cause of plagued drivers and enduro

 

Lol, the card will work. The worst that will happen is that it won't switch to the dGPU for a certain game and you'll have to add the game manually to the whitelist so it'll know to use the dGPU for it next time.

 

well thats not the worst actually. the worst is the general performance decline ud have to live with if ure not able to manually switch off enduro :/ with such a powerful card, THAT would indeed suck!

 

That performance loss is......disappointing to say the least.

 

The FN button function is like the Clevo HM FN+1 fan function, I believe it has to do with BIOS, not at the OS level.

 

Well hopefully the clevo / sager's have the bios option to turn it off or a button, doesn't matter, as long as we can get the performance from the 7970M (the enduro was nice feature, but i paid for performance rather than battery life).

edit: can't wait for someone to get one of these machines to really give us the lowdown about it (with the latest drivers and other things). Or maybe someone from a re-seller can comment