Eurocom Panther 4 Release Imminent

Check out it specs at

http://www.eurocom.com/products/future/specselectfuture.cfm?model_id=224

Release Date Oct 30, 2012

Already has the newer MX models of the 675 and 670 as well

 

Are we having 270WM back?
Wow...
Hmmmm
Damn.

 

This is one of the laptops that is at the very top of my list and is why I've been waiting until February. I can't wait till Mythlogic gets their hands on it!

 

I cant find when Sager and Avadirect or etc will releases theyre currently

 

Is that Clevo based? And desktop processor support, seriously? Mother of god.

"World's first supercomputer-class fully upgradeable and configurable super-laptop"

No better way to put it.

 

Now with IPS and a 600W adapter..........

 

Curious on the price. Specs look sweet.

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Nice find. So the design and core functionality is very similar to it's predecessor, the x7200.

 

If pricing is accurate, configurator is here: EUROCOM Configuration

 

Lets see it they fixed the overheating issue that started way back in spring. Or maybe it started last year....
It was an epic design fail.

 

no 600w yet still the silly 2x300w AC Adapter Crossfire/SLI lol

 

There may be a technical issue passing much more than 300W through the single adapter. I agree they should work something out, but at stock speeds the P370EM only consumed about 200-220W, meaning PSU was probably only pushing out 180W or so, although probably pretty tight with a 135W desktop CPU.

 

nice, but 3.5k? How much of an advantage would a desktop cpu over a mobile cpu for gaming? I'd imagine the gpu is the bottleneck either way.

 

Well, it is a portable desktop replacement, a workstation. Between the P370EM and this though, it might be hard to swallow the almost double cost for a desktop CPU. Although sound is 5.1, four hard drives, and desktop CPU support with SLI is a pretty powerful setup.

 

Quad channel memory can help in specialised tasks along with the higher number of threads.

 

Already being discussed here http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...er-np9270-clevo-p270wm-owners-lounge-189.html - lets not make it worth them leaking information by continuing to post on this thread.

 

we dont even know if this is the NP9270 p270wm it might be a different Chassis Revision anyways?

 

For gaming? Zero, nada. Wouldn't make any difference. The mobile CPU are more than enough for SLI or CFX.

I know some may think it's awesome and like it and top of their list to buy, but to me, this is a stupid machine. Build a more powerful shuttle PC with a better IPS display for less IMO.

 

Maybe you are right, its not worth the cooling problems to get that DTR.
Better get a desktop and dont worry about whether it will fry under load or the headache of having to clean the vents every month.
Too many things can go wrong and maybe its better to stay away from it.

 

ummm....nobody else but me wondering whats up with those 675MX and 670MX gpus? new revision with slightly OCed components or what?

aaah ok,got it: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6346/nvidia-quietly-releases-geforce-gtx-670mx-and-gtx-675mx-for-notebooks

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Why is it people always bash what they either dont want to or can't spend the money on?

Plus, I'm sure the heat will be under control with some good TIM, a cooling design that works as well on the smaller laptops, as well as a cooler for those times you choose to OC it.

 

Way to go hulawafu. According to Anandtech a 680M SLi setup is bottlenecked by every mobile CPU available.

 

I'd have to agree. Why not build a monster desktop instead? Spend over 3 grand and you could have sli 690s.

 

It's cool and all, but since it's a "desktop replacement," why not spend the money on a desktop with more power, better cooling, etc? It's not that I'm bashing it, it looks like an amazing machine, but at some point laptops don't seem practical for ultra high-end computing.

 

My guess is it's targeted towards people that require power+mobility. Something like an engineer or architect who needs to be able to move his work around or visit various sites. Things like CAD. You don't spend $6K grand for mobile gaming. I mean one of the GPUs offered is $4,100 upgrade. Just for GPUs! The 8 core/16 thread processor, yea thats not for gaming.

These are targeted to companies and professionals that required mobile servers, or Quadro Graphics according to some of Eurocoms comments on youtube.

If I won the lotto, I would put this at the top of my list of things to get. I'd rather get something small like this then go crazy on multi million dollar houses and exotic cars. I'd start working on cars myself, building old mustangs and cameros and what not. Just because I enjoy restoring cars.


I wonder what kind of Vantage/3DMark11 numbers the Xeon E5-2690 and duals 680s would put up. Also curious about what the 2x4GB Nvidia Quadro 5010M would put up. I mean those GPUs are $4,100!

Spoiler

EUROCOM Panther 4.0 $23,340 CAD
Xeon E5-2690 CPU , 2x4GB Nvidia Quadro 5010M and 4x1TB SSD

Summary
Base
System and Display EUROCOM Panther 4.0
Choose your LCD Display 3D; 120Hz; 17.3-inch (43.9cm) FHD 1920x1080; MATTE (Non-Glare); eDP; LP173WF2; w/ NVIDIA 3D Glasses
Professional Display Calibration Service Professional Display Calibration with .icc Profile Saved on USB Flash Key
Built-in Web Camera 2.0 Megapixels; FHD 1920x1080; 30fps; w/ Samsung HD controller
Biometric Fingerprint Device Integrated Fingerprint Reader for Secure Data Access and Easy Management of Passwords
Embedded Security Chip Embedded TPM 1.2 (Trusted Platform Module) Security Chip for Data Encryption
GPU / Graphics Technology Discrete GPU; Modular MXM 3.0b; Upgradeable; Dual VGA support (SLI and CF); up to 100W per card
VGA Graphics Options - Choose the one that you need and/or want 2x 4GB GDDR5 NVIDIA Quadro 5010M; N12E-Q5; 384 CUDA; PhysX; OpenGL 4.0; DX11; DVI-DL; MXM 3.0b; 2x 100W; w/ 3D Quad Buffering Support
Upgradeable Processor (CPU) with Diamond 24 Thermal Paste 2.90GHz (up to 3.80GHz) Intel XEON E5-2690; 8C/16T; 20MB L3; 8GT/s; LGA2011; 32nm;135W
Memory (RAM) Configuration - Fully Upgradeable 32GB; 4x 8GB; DDR3-1600; PC3-12800; 204pin - 4 SODIMMs
Graphics eXpansion Modules for 2-3 External Displays None - Choose from the options below
DisplayPort Adapters, Cables and Converters None - choose from the options below:
USB 3.0 Built-in 3x USB 3.0 and 2x USB 2.0 Ports
Internal Card Reader 9-in-1 Card Reader; MMC/RSMMC; SD/MiniSD/SDHC/SDXC; MS/MS Pro/MS Duo
1st Hard Drive. Choose Regular, Solid State or Hybrid Drive: 1TB; MLC SSD; OCZ Octane; SATAIII 6Gb/s w/Indilinx Everest; Reads up 460MB/s; Writes up 330MB/s
2nd Hard Drive 1TB; MLC SSD; OCZ Octane; SATAIII 6Gb/s w/Indilinx Everest; Reads up 460MB/s; Writes up 330MB/s
3rd Hard Drive 1TB; MLC SSD; OCZ Octane; SATAIII 6Gb/s w/Indilinx Everest; Reads up 460MB/s; Writes up 330MB/s
4th Hard Drive 1TB; MLC SSD; OCZ Octane; SATAIII 6Gb/s w/Indilinx Everest; Reads up 460MB/s; Writes up 330MB/s
Extra Hard Drive Bracket(s) 4th HDD Bracket via ODD Bay for 2.5-inch HDD; 12.5mm Height; SATA; w/o HDD
Hard Drive(s) Setup i.e. Multiple Partitions, RAID 0/1/5/10 None - Choose from the options below
Choose Your Keyboard (Language) Backlit; English; USA/Canada; QWERTY
Operating System(s) Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit; OEM; English
Optical Drive 6x Blu-Ray WRITER (BD-RW/DVD-+RW); Tray Load; SATA; Panasonic UJ-240; w/ software
TV Tuner (Internal and/or External) None - Choose from the options below
Bluetooth for Wireless Devices Internal Bluetooth V2.1/V3.0 + EDR module
Wireless LAN 802.11b/g/n WLAN; up to 450Mbp/s; Bigfoot Networks; Killer Wireless-N 1103
ExpressCard Slot for External PCI Express Devices Built-in ExpressCard/54 slot - Choose EC/34 or EC/54 Adapter
Office and Business Productivity Software None - Choose from the options below
Built-in Subwoofer Built-in Subwoofer Module
Standard Battery (internal) Panther 2.0 Polymer Smart Li-Ion battery; 78.44Wh
Standard AC Adapter 600W (2x 300W) AC Adapter; Auto-switching 100-240V w/Converter Box (for Maximum XTU/OC/SLI Performance)
Standard Power Cord - included USA / Canada
Carrying Case None - Choose from the options below
Choose Your Warranty Plan 3 Years Return to Factory Depot with 3 Years of Tech Support

 

I guess I'm always thinking about things from a gaming perspective, since it's the main thing I use my computer for... well, gaming and nbr forums lol. Those quadro gpus sounds crazy, it would be cool to see benchmarks on them.

 

Well Anandtech would be wrong then.

 

This man hit it on the head. I need and want a system that can do both things well. I need to be able to run any of my CAD programs as well as want to be able to game all on the same system. I'm hoping this system in crossfire or sli will get me a long ways, but if not I know I can swap out one card for a Quadro and then enable/disable which card I need at the time. When I really want to go all out gaming - I can swap the other gaming card back in and go back to sli/crossfire.

I dont want to be tied down to a desktop and I dont want to have multiple systems. The TEENY bit I give up with this system is made up for in solving everything I require. Though I wont lie - if the cooling system sucks I wont be getting the thing.

X79 chipset desktop chipset.... mmmmm raid 0 ssd with trim plus room for a roomie hdd while still keeping my optical.

God I can't wait!

 

Software: $200,000 licence
System cost: $10,000 AKA insignificant.

 

Lol, Anandtech and their testing is wrong just because you say so? Elaborate.

FYI my source: anandtech.com/show/6336/alienware-m18x-r2-notebook-review-nvidias-geforce-gtx-680m-in-sli/5

 

AnandTech is wrong often. And you can look to actual real sources, people who own GTX 680 SLI desktops, using CPU that are using old Quad cores and then upgrading to the latest Ivey best and seeing on average 1 FPS increase. That's all the evidence I need.

But go ahead in believing that the latest Ivey Bridge mobile CPU aren't enough for SLI mobile GPUs limited by 180-220watt PSUs... Personally I find that just hilarious, an absolute riot. But you can be a blind sheep if you want who comes to their conclusion from only one source that spends 90% of their podcasts on Apple iPhones, ROFLMAO.

 

Unfortunately I didn't have another CPU to test with when I had the P370EM, but I did measure CPU performance and on average CPU was running ~ 50%, which tells me it wasn't being fully taxed. I didn't see any evidence that the GPU was limited by the CPU. All I saw was a desktop i7 quad and desktop 680 SLI vs a mobile i7 quad and 680m SLI. Show me i7-3610QM + 680m SLI and i7-3940XM + 680m SLI for comparison.

See my results here with 680m SLI with i7-3720QM: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-review-wingnut-style-lots-images.html#cpuuse

Or just look at graph in spoiler tag.

Spoiler

 

It ovbiously depends on the game you play. There are more and less CPU demanding games. Which ones did you try?

 

the games are listed in the spoilertag graph

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Ah I see. Those entries are with HyperThreading on, pushing the %'s down. Can you test Skyrim, BF3, FFXIV and GW2 and with HT=Off? That should reveil the load on "real" physical cores.

 

So no one willing to wait till a review is done on it before deciding on how it will work or not work I am interested in it Since I already own a D900F and D901C but I am gonna wait till its out before I make my decision 980x and K5000M already so hmm

 

With the 3820 and 680m sli Anandtech was getting higher FPS. How is the CPU a bottleneck? SLI rarely doubles FPS over a single card by the way, if you were expecting that.

Sirana, turn off hyperthreading and you still won't come close to maxing out the 3720 in any of those games.

 

I have the actual data on all the cores and can plot those and you can see that any never come close to 75% let alone 100%. I no longer have the laptop so can't do any more testing.

 

Well I would not expect twice the FPS, but at least 80-90% more.
Look at some of the 1080p benches: AnandTech - Alienware M18x R2 Notebook Review: NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 680M in SLI

Batman AC
2x 680M: 107 FPS
1x 680M: 69 FPS

CIV 5
2x 680M: 71 FPS
1x 680M: 55 FPS

Dirt 3:
2x 680M: 114 FPS
1x 680M: 73 FPS

Skyrim:
2x 680M: 69 FPS
1x 680M: 57 FPS

The only game really being entirely GPU dependent game is Battlefield 3...
2x 680M: 82 FPS
1x 680M: 46 FPS

I too think it is unlikely to have all 4 cores maxed out in any of those games. Yet in games like Skyrim which uses only 2 cores it becomes most noticeable.

 

Skyrim for one is horribly optimized for multithreaded processors. It won't even max out a single thread. So, scratch that first bit: Skyrim is horribly optimized for ANY modern processor. After my testing, results showed that a SINGLE THREAD never passed 70% usage, and on average, stayed around 20%:



Also, I did record instances where 5 threads were being used at one time. This may have had to do with background processes, so take that as you will.

With these results, it is obvious Skyrim's code is not meant for the modern PC gaming machine. It will not max out a single i7 thread nor will it give the 7970m a decent workout. The game simply won't run at higher FPS without very heavy boosts in clock speed. It is, however, more important that the game never dips below 60FPS rather than have higher FPS. The game is known to bug out above 60FPS, which is why I use a frame rate limiter with the game.

 

Those figures are all over the place. Not sure what you're trying to say?

 

She is saying that some games are CPU limited because SLI performance isn't much greater in those games. I then countered that argument with raw data proving that Skyrim simply isn't optimized to use modern hardware properly. Then you have the fact that SLI can either work well or suck it hard. There are always games were SLI won't even improve performance, and not as a result of a CPU bottleneck.

 

First of all I'm male. Secondly I knew about Skyrim's crappy engine if you read my post carefully. As you can see in HT's nice quote, the 680M SLI is pretty much never used to it's full potential, BF3 comes closest.
And in really distinct cases we know that the CPU is the culprit, i.e. Skyrim (crappy engine) or Civ 5 (heavly CPU dependent)

 

These aren't anything new - they are from the Panther 4 that they said they were going to release in March.

Update from Eurocom by the way - I asked them what they had changed or modified since March to fix the problem that stopped it going to market but they didn't answer that. I also asked if it will definitely launch on the 30th October as they say on their website and all they replied with was that it will be "available soon".

I am going to make a prediction that it won't be available on the 30th October and instead will be mysteriously delayed. If it were really to be available on the 30th we would have surely seen other companies promoting it by now.....

 

I hope its availible soon I have 2 Quadro K5000M's I got for a good price that I will slap in it

 

its now listed as a current product on theyre site http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,224,0)

 

Yes, you can even configure and order it. I made a very nice configuration that would only cost me € 11,600 . Peanuts In case you are wondering, no I did not order it.

But now we know how the new monster Clevo looks. Don't forget, it needs two 300W power supplies.

 

Real cores will always out perform virtual cores, so once you go beyond 4 threads a native 6-8 core will start out performing a quad with HT.

 

That's been around a while: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...m-panther-4-release-imminent.html#post8891560

 

true but it used to say Future and PreOrder that now I cant seem to find that wording there anymore

http://www.techpowerup.com/174666/E...uadro-K5000M-Powered-Mobile-Workstations.html